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Aftermarket EFI / Engineering / engine conversions
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Fri, 18 July 2003 01:55
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guys, i have been off the ball for a while now with so much work and SOB!!!! not 1 toyota in the house after having 4 at one time and owning about 8 in the last ~2 years in our house.
That said 
I am looking into a mates conversion and us toyota people being the "smartest" i will ask here rather than at a ford site.
He has a Ford XF carby 6cyl. Can we :
a) make it EFI (as the XF also came out EFI)
b) make it aftermarket EFI as it was carby.?
I understood you can only put a engine in the same or better. eg no old V8. Or maybe he can as its a carby engined XF?
A aftermarket EFI cengine would be better than a carby engine true? therfore is this "non engineerable"
Are any config above ok without engineering?
Can this be ran on Aftermarket EFI in any configeration legaly if not then he will not be able to Turbo it legaly and hence will need to build the engine high comp / cams etc, rather than low comp for a latter turbo / Aftermarket computer
Secondly, once we can get it EFI'd and legaly (hopfully aftermarket EFI) then...
We might look at putting a skyline turbo into his ute for something to do. If we use a EFI XF Engine.(low boost and or new low comp pistons, i think the EFI engine is low comp any how)
With this said NO Flamage, I know as we all do its a ford and a crappy engine a toyota swap would be better but its not my car so this is his request. I am only involved because i want to play with cars but not the expence
He wants to steer clear of engineering it. The turbo will blow that out of the water
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Aftermarket EFI / Engineering / engine conversions
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Fri, 18 July 2003 05:43
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| TurboCelica wrote on Fri, 18 July 2003 11:55 |
He has a Ford XF carby 6cyl. Can we :
a) make it EFI (as the XF also came out EFI)
b) make it aftermarket EFI as it was carby.?
Can this be ran on Aftermarket EFI in any configeration legaly if not then he will not be able to Turbo it legaly and hence will need to build the engine high comp / cams etc, rather than low comp for a latter turbo / Aftermarket computer
Secondly, once we can get it EFI'd and legaly (hopfully aftermarket EFI) then...
We might look at putting a skyline turbo into his ute for something to do. If we use a EFI XF Engine.(low boost and or new low comp pistons, i think the EFI engine is low comp any how)
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a mate of mine has an XF and is considering same things. currently it is dual fuel, MPI for the fuel injection. BUT has has just ripped out the AFM and is running it with the Megasquirt computer has run for 1100km so far, no probs and getting 11L/100km on a highway trip!
that said tho, you can only put in an engine that is emissions better than stock. the 'code of practice for light vehicle modifications' says you can put in any 'options' that were available for your model of car without engineering, and it is 'owner certified'. so if you put in stock EFI for the XF, no legal hassles.
also afaik, no aftermarket EFI computers are legal (except maybe MOTEC) but you can make your system legal by doing a comprehensive smog test at great expense (a few thousand$)
BUT, if you have an aftermarket computer behind one kickpanel, and the stock one in the stock location with wires still attached, who's to know 
the whole turbo thing is a bit odd. ppl get them engineered, but most of the time there is no way in hell that they have lower emissions than the car was originally designed for... for example, just about any late model car, like the 'fooly sik' 200SX's and WRX's with big turbos would not be legal (but neither is any car with rims more than 1" greater diameter than stock!)
if you can find an engineer who will sign for it, you can almost anything you want (and then sue them when their licence gets revoked  )
if you want more details of the Squirted XF, look up the OZ_MS yahoo group.
Cya, Stewart
[Updated on: Fri, 18 July 2003 05:44]
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melbourne.victoria.austra...
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June 2002
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Re: Aftermarket EFI / Engineering / engine conversions
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Fri, 18 July 2003 21:53
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well if its an xf, its somewhere around the 1986 model, so, you're about 10 years too late to worry about darn ADRs...but like stu says if you want to run an aftermarket ECU on it, then, a very very very expensive emissions test will be in order.
personally, if you're going to keep the old 250 crossflow, i'd stick with the injected manifold from that XF (nice piece of work in my mind) and look at a later ECU from lets say an EF or EL to run it - that would be a good option.
the older EFI setups are bound to be starting to give problems, and are pretty archaic(sp) although, that said i did have a friend with an XF and 4 speed w/EFI and for what it was it went quite well and returned good fuel economy on the hwy..
with respect engineering well i don't think you'd have to engineer it, if you used the EFI setup from an XF - it was available as an option at the time and hence complied with ADR's ect...
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Adelaide
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May 2002
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Aftermarket EFI / Engineering / engine conversions
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Sun, 20 July 2003 08:04
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would the full (really expensive) emissions test be required for my 1jz supra?
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