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88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Sat, 19 July 2003 08:06
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I am interested in buying a 88/99 soarer (i think the models for this year are the MZ20 and GZ20, please verify) due to the fact they are capable of producing power (i need to know what engines they came in, I know the 7mgte is one, is the 1ggte also sourced to this model soarer?)
I know that the 7m's are known to chew up head gaskets and does anyone know how much a hks or original 7m head gasket would cost to buy (and how much to be installed).
Being a first car do they consume a lot of fuel?
I am not sure insurance wise due to the fact it is not heavily modified and driven by young adults like salvias, that cause the insurance fee too rise, how much would a lightly modified car of this caliber cost to insure a year for a 20 year old?
Any input or criticism (good or bad) would be helpful.
DriftKing.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 03 September 2004 08:03
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its not a good first car dude, are u crazy!!
i got a mz20, u know gran turismo? u want a a-spec car,, as ur first car. this is my 3rd car, for a standard 240 hp, it not what you'd call kosher with a inexpernienced driver, the rearends, have a mind of there own in these, and in ur hands its just putty into a powerpole. they use a fu*k load of fuel and theres real no way to drive it economically
full comp insurance for a 20 yr old about $3000, 3rd party around 700 per annum!. depending on u aye!
parts are hard, sometimes. use the same as supra and cressida, but even supra parts are to get!and VERY expensive.... so yeah. and heres an indication. main air hose to head, $78, this is a foot long
yeah.. so if u wanna go buy a a-spec car. on a provisional license. u just got.. GO RIGHT AHEAD! ur choice..
basically expensive to run, expensive to fix, hard to find parts, if u crash it ur basically fu*k, u think there gonna get parts for it, from where?? japan.
geez whats with 17 yr old and skylines, thats why there trying to ban young people from buying cars like these!
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 03 September 2004 10:01
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im only 19 and ive bought a non-turbo 88 gz20 and the insurance is $2200 a year full comp $600 3rd fire and theft with just cars with a turbo itll probly cost more than an arm and a leg they'll be moving on to major organs
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 03 September 2004 10:29
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Damn guys, you get owned. My mate over here is 20 with a GZ20 turbo, full comprehensive and insurane is $650 a year... 
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 03 September 2004 10:30
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I pay $350 a year for thrid party 
Full comp they wanted $2500 which is rediculous!
Dont buy one of these for your first car dude, IMO, They are great cars, but they drink like fish, panels are nearly impossible to find, althought they are becoming more common, and the cops will pick on you a fair bit. And they are not exactly cheap to fix
On the other hand they are a very decent pimped out cruiser...
Go for something N/A and cheaper to fix for your first car, i.e. 5 Speed Silvia Non Turbo or something and learn to drive decently in that, and then when you are ready go for the Twin or Single Turbo toyota 
Oh and a metal head gasket is about $400 i beleieve, maybe more, maybe less
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 03 September 2004 13:50
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jcmf wheres his insured coz im gonna get mine through just cars they seem to be the only ones willing to touch me also i have a bad drving record and barely any rating
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 03 September 2004 13:54
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He's insured with SGIO I think, but he got it through a broker, you never seem to get a fair deal dealing with the companies direct if you have a different car to a Falcadore.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Sat, 04 September 2004 01:38
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if u put a turbo in it or diff engine
there gonna charge u an extra 500 or something..
they charged me $78 for my exhaust on my mz20 gt
they charged me $300 extra because i put a bridgeported 13B in a 82 626
GZ20 are slow as shit, that twin turbo 1g-gte gives no power.
. people think the twin turbo is more powerful, because if the bodykit and that. but the 3.0GT series are, mz20!
but.. my soarers running about (guess)350hp a the fly
the 7m gte..what with all this kids with skylines etc..
the daddys pay for the repairs
..anyway, stick to more of a general first car, buy a 4 banger, coz this things not a toy, and not cheap to fix, some mechanics won't touch it, if u just wanna be kool in it
BE A KNOB a buy a VN and put pursuit wheels on it and shave your head. don't forget the flano.. and the fat pregnant 15yr old whore in the passager eat.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Sat, 04 September 2004 01:44
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| SoarerFury wrote on Sat, 04 September 2004 09:38 |
GZ20 are slow as shit, that twin turbo 1g-gte gives no power.
. people think the twin turbo is more powerful, because if the bodykit and that. but the 3.0GT series are, mz20!
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GZ20 is far from slow, but yes, it is a cruiser first and a sport car second. In stock form, obsviously the 3l MZ20 has more power and torque, it's far from fast.
Just what exactly have you done to add an extra 100hp to your 7M?  An exhaust isn't going to get you there.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Sat, 04 September 2004 02:13
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hks induction system
k&n
custom cold air induction
3" turbo back, 9 inch hi-tech muffler 5 inch tip
trd cams
port & polish
TRD racing gasket set
arp bolts
Trust large intercooler, stuffs me what type!
boost raised to 9 psi
dyno'd next week.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 06 September 2004 02:18
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MY GZ isnt slow, its not as fast as an MZ but its not slow...
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 06 September 2004 02:26
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Yeah,.. my old GZ had a great time blasting commonwhores,..
not fast,... but not exactly slow either...
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 06 September 2004 02:40
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Mon, 06 September 2004 12:18 |
MY GZ isnt slow, its not as fast as an MZ but its not slow...
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just face it 
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 06 September 2004 02:59
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| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 06 September 2004 12:10 |
| MR 1GGTE wrote on Mon, 06 September 2004 12:18 |
MY GZ isnt slow, its not as fast as an MZ but its not slow...
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just face it
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NEVER! 
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 06 September 2004 03:10
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u know how the head torque on the 7m 's play up
im picking mine up tomorrow, because of a headgasket.
the torque of the head was a PISSY 20 IBS, thats right 20 ibs
thats how loose they were
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Tue, 07 September 2004 23:36
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question, at wat price range are the non turbo'd 89's? Looking around yesterday and found 1 for $4500. Wondering if its a good price?
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 00:08
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That's damn cheap for an 89... there'd have to be something wrong with it.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 00:14
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 09:38 |
That's damn cheap for an 89... there'd have to be something wrong with it.
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Not necessarily, its non turbo so it would be a damn hard car to sell...
What motor do the non turbo ones have?
7M or 1G
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 02:59
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i got my 88 non turbo 1g soarer for $4500 uncomplianced im begining to think i may have been ripped off
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 03:15
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uncomplianced you were ripped off man...
I paid 6 grand for mine complianced with three months rego...
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 12:02
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yeh it doesnt really surprise me that i got ripped off but i got a soarer one more of my life goals is met
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:21
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is it manual at least?
I would imagine a N/A 1G soarer would be a rather sluggish car 
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:23
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nah sadly its not a manual i guess it would be rather sluggish itll probly feel like my celica
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:39
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uh oh...
Ah well maybe you can do a 1JZGTE transplant some day...
I hear they work well
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:43
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the 1jz transplant is the plan when i can afford it and the insurance thats the main reason for me to get the n/a coz i cant afford the insurance as i said earlier im basically gonna get raped by it also i have to have it insured family policy
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:45
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you wont get insured with a 1JZ conversion anyway, as that costs a fair bit to engineer...
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:49
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werent you doing a 1jz transplant earlier?
werent you able to insure it if it was finished?
dunno i might put a 1ggte in it or a 7mgte when i can afford which maybe a while coz im only working part time
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:52
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I was, gonna cost too damn much
I only have 3RD party and i can do whatever mods i want, i could drop an 8 Litre V10 into it and the insurance company wouldnt bat an eyelid!
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 15:56
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hmmmm interesting coz im going to have to go with 3rd party fire and theft so maybe the 1jz will be in order when the bank account cooperates
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Wed, 08 September 2004 23:20
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I wouldnt count on the mods being ok, I have a special policy that not everyone can get, I only pay $230 a year as well which is pretty decent.
Also if someone hits me and its thier fault and they dont have insurance i am covered by my company!
Which is also decent
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 01:24
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 01:45 |
you wont get insured with a 1JZ conversion anyway, as that costs a fair bit to engineer...
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it doesent necessarily cost a fair bit to engineer,
you WILL get insurance on one with just cars and the like.. but only 3rd part property(cause im pretty sure u wouldnt be able to get comprehensive with anyone anyway)
1g auto soarer expect to do 16 second 1/4's and get the shit kicked out of you by almost everything
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 02:25
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| Jag7799 wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 10:54 |
| MR 1GGTE wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 01:45 |
you wont get insured with a 1JZ conversion anyway, as that costs a fair bit to engineer...
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it doesent necessarily cost a fair bit to engineer,
you WILL get insurance on one with just cars and the like.. but only 3rd part property(cause im pretty sure u wouldnt be able to get comprehensive with anyone anyway)
1g auto soarer expect to do 16 second 1/4's and get the shit kicked out of you by almost everything
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FFS man you say this every time, we live IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA!!
An engine conversion involves hiring out a track to make sure that car can swerve and change lanes at 110km/h THIS IS NOT QUEENSLAND the rules are fucken different!!!
IT COSTS up to $2000+ For a full engineers report, which you need in SA for the 1JZ conversion into a soarer!
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 02:27
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Phat car man!
Silver looks awesome and for $5500 thats not too bad either!
Just get rid of those wheels, they look egkH!
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 03:05
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just cars are the only people that will touch me they said id have unlimited mods and the cars insured for up to 5000 in the evnt of anything happening no matter what it is unless im the only car involved in a crash
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 03:16
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 01:52 |
I was, gonna cost too damn much
I only have 3RD party and i can do whatever mods i want, i could drop an 8 Litre V10 into it and the insurance company wouldnt bat an eyelid!
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How soon till the Dodge Soarer is on the road??
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 03:27
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1g auto soarer expect to do 16 second 1/4's and get the shit kicked out of you by almost everything[/quote]
i am expecting it but im not really buying the car to go fast i just want something to cruise round in when i first bought the car a guy rang me to sell his mz21 to me but i couldnt afford it so the 1g is pretty much the only option atm in my eyes
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 04:02
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| cthulhu wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 13:27 |
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1g auto soarer expect to do 16 second 1/4's and get the shit kicked out of you by almost everything[/quote]
i am expecting it but im not really buying the car to go fast i just want something to cruise round in when i first bought the car a guy rang me to sell his mz21 to me but i couldnt afford it so the 1g is pretty much the only option atm in my eyes[/quote]
my advice is save for a bit longer till u can get an mz.. they arent much more expensive
in fact.. a mate sold one for 5500 not long ago
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 04:08
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i bought the gz20 bout a month ago still awaiting delviery ment to have it next wednesday all in all it doesnt concern me that it isnt as fast as the turbo version coz im not buying it to drive fast i already have a car to thrash if i want to the soarer really just for cruising but when i can afford it im going to throw in a 1jz im also not believing what mr1ggte has to say bout the conversions
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 04:21
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| cthulhu wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 14:08 |
i bought the gz20 bout a month ago still awaiting delviery ment to have it next wednesday all in all it doesnt concern me that it isnt as fast as the turbo version coz im not buying it to drive fast i already have a car to thrash if i want to the soarer really just for cruising but when i can afford it im going to throw in a 1jz im also not believing what mr1ggte has to say bout the conversions
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well they definately are a pimpin cruising ride 
wont be as bad my my non turbo 1g soarer i used to drive
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 08:30
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| cthulhu wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 13:38 |
im also not believing what mr1ggte has to say bout the conversions
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WTF????
fine then!
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 08:32
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no the track issue of the people i know who have done conversions they didnt need to run it on a track or nothing like that to my knowledge but then again these were with commonwhores
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 09:31
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you have to remeber that the 1JZ never came in the GZ/MZ range hence the motor has never seen that exact frame which means it requires the track work..
Did your mates put a 5 Litre into a normal commie?
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 10:26
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both the commies were vh's one has a 5 litre the other a worked engine outta a vk
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 10:55
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... this thread!
performance car + import + 19 + bad driving record + insurance = NEW ARSEHOLE.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Thu, 09 September 2004 10:58
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its a 1ggeu i wouldnt exactly call it performance
plus ive been an arsehole for a while now
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 10 September 2004 00:30
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 19:31 |
you have to remeber that the 1JZ never came in the GZ/MZ range hence the motor has never seen that exact frame which means it requires the track work..
Did your mates put a 5 Litre into a normal commie?
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dont engineer it then...
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Fri, 10 September 2004 16:20
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| Jag7799 wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 10:00 |
| MR 1GGTE wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 19:31 |
you have to remeber that the 1JZ never came in the GZ/MZ range hence the motor has never seen that exact frame which means it requires the track work..
Did your mates put a 5 Litre into a normal commie?
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dont engineer it then...
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You kind of have to if you want any kind of insurance...
i.e. If you have an accident and they come to asess your car and they happen to pop the bonnet then you are kind of fucked, especially if you run up the ass of a Merc or something
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 13 September 2004 02:44
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i got a mz20 3.0gt ltd.
that silver one is okay looking
looks like something a milf looking granny would drive, plus its got that 2 lt twin turbo. it would be slow, look like a hishing grogan.
its a nice car, mine looks so much better
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 13 September 2004 06:19
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| SoarerFury wrote on Mon, 13 September 2004 12:14 |
i got a mz20 3.0gt ltd.
that silver one is okay looking
looks like something a milf looking granny would drive, plus its got that 2 lt twin turbo. it would be slow, look like a hishing grogan.
its a nice car, mine looks so much better
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That silver one with some tint, rims and a lowering job would look farken excellent simply becuase it is not white and not like every (most anyway) other one on the road!
Dont bag the 1GGTE man, they are not a shit motor and remeber they have yamaha heads!
Need I say more?
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 13 September 2004 06:32
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 19:01 |
you have to remeber that the 1JZ never came in the GZ/MZ range hence the motor has never seen that exact frame which means it requires the track work..
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Are you 100% sure about this? After all, the Soarer range (GZ/MZ) came out with a 3Lt turbo - to Regency's eyes the 2.5 Lt turbo may not be a big deal. It depends on who you get at Regency, all you have to do is ask and they'll come back with a spec on what needs to be done. I'm sure you could argue that the 1jz weighs less than a 7M-GTE and thus is unlikely to affect the handling. That said, you never know with Regency.
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 13 September 2004 06:41
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The problem is that when you tell them the new engine number for the new motor they are gonna realise that it is not a 7MGTE or 1GGTE becuase as most people already know the first few numbers will give away what type of engine it is...
Then they will see this and ask what kind of engine it is, if you are lucky you may get thru the royal house of regency once but unlikely it will happen twice or a third time, ffs they can tell when you have put bigger turbos on a car without even modifiying the manifold...
Which sucks big donkey balls 
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 13 September 2004 10:39
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... that i did not know.
some sort of koint venture between yamaha and toyota i guess
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Re: 88/89 Soarer Info Help
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Mon, 13 September 2004 10:41
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well yea.
im putting a GReddy turbo kit on my 7m gte
should pull some crazy torque
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