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July 2003
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 Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:25
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How would I go about unflooding the carby of a 21R-C in a RA60 Celica?
Please use stupid people's language, as I don't know all that much - if you can supply pictures or a website that would be awesome!
Ta,
xay.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:27
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Keep cranking? 
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:30
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If I keep cranking, the battery goes flat - New alternator and engine hasn't started since put in - does that mean alternator isn't charging battery or does alternator only kick in once engine is running?
I've charged the battery countless times! With the carby, someone said to hold down the accellerator fully while cranking (not pumping accelerator) and it still didn't work. Anyone ideas?
xay.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:37
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Alternator will only charge when the engine is running.
Are you sure the engine's flooded and not some other problem? Can't imagine how it can be so flooded so as to drain a fully charged battery...
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:41
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Maybe it's not flooded. I got told it MAY be that from an auto electrician that didn't seem to be too sure of what he was on about. What else could it be?
Symptoms are that when it cranks, occassionally I hear a 'pop' from the air filter I think it is (I'm not sure on every car part - I'm new to this).
I just replaced spark plugs and leads so it shouldn't be that.
Does anyone live near Forest Hill in Melbourne that would be able to come have a look - I can pay you either cash or slabs 
xay.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:46
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Did you put the leads on in the correct order?
Is the lead from the ignitor on? And tight?
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:51
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Sorry, I'm a bit slow. The leads to the igniter meaning? from the solenoid (i think) to the distributor cap? And then from the distributor cap to the spark plugs?
The order should be 1-3-4-2 correct for a 21r-c engine? starting top left on the distributor cap going clockwise? then spark plugs are 1 through 4 from front of engine to back correct?
xay.
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:55
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if its just a flodded carbie you can leave the filter off for a while and it'll sort itself out
popping usually means bad timing, flames means it needs serious attention... nearly lost my eyebrows after not realising my 18R was 180 degrees out 
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:57
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How do I go about fixing the timing? Any tutorials I can look at on the net?
xay.
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:58
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buy the workshop manual!
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 04:58
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Also, when the auto electrician was looking at carby he took the air filter lid off and when tried starting car, it seemed that fuel SHOT out of the top the hole in the middle and hit the bonnet when it was LIFTED! is that bad?
xay.
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:00
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depends if he was pressing the accelerator at the time 
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:00
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He was. is that supposed to happen though?
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:01
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yup... a little jet of feul... nothing major tho
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:01
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Sounds about right.
Yeah, I was talking about the lead from solenoid. Sometimes they get brittle after years of service... Check that you're getting a signal to the spark plugs.
Timing is done with a timing gun and slightly loosening the bolts on the distributor cap... Then you turn the cap to set the timing (you use to gun to watch the timing).
You'd be advised to watch someone do it first before attempting yourself.
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:02
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i remember my first attempt at a tunr up...
20 degree advanced on a bog stock 18R-U makes for one bumpy ride 
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Melbourne
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:03
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Hmmm you busy today? Wanna come round and show me? I'll pay ya! I'm desperate!
I really hope you're in melbourne! =\
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Brisbane
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:04
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<- points at location box....
sure if you can afford the air fares 
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:07
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Haha! Whoops... The manual says to line the crankshaft pulley with the 0 notch on the timing plate. It says that when duistributor cap is off and 1st piston is top dead center then the distributor rotor will point at 1st spark lead.
No mention of timing gun? Is timing gun easier?
xay.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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 Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:15
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You need a timing gun unless:- You want to run at 0 degrees
- You want to tune it by ear
Neither of which are recommended...
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:17
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wow.. that sound a bit wierd...
i personally do all my timing with a light...
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:27
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Does the engine need to be running to use a timing light? Or doesn't it matter?
Exactly how hard is it to use a timing gun?
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:30
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Yup. Needs to be running.
One lead attaches to spark plug 1. The other two leads are for power and ground.
Then you just loosen the dizzy, aim the gun at the top of the crankshaft pulley to see the timing mark and you turn the dizzy until you get the timing you want...
Again, not recommended until you watch someone else do it...
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Melbourne
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:31
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The whole reason I started this thread was because I couldn't start the engine! 
I'm never gunna get this thing started *crys*
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:33
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dont forget to adjust your mixture and idle speed after you've got the timing right...
usually pays to get timing right, get mixture and idle speed right, then do your timing again i've found... specially on 18/21R engines
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Location:
Melbourne
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July 2003
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2003
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Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 05:58
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Check the icons on the left of my posts.
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On your mum!
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May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 08:13
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Remember that just because the mark on the pulley is lined up with the pin doesn't necessarily mean that the #1 piston is at TDC compression. The timing could still be out 180deg (note 360 CRANKSHAFT degrees).
Popping thru the carby is definitely NOT flooding (flooding puts the spark out).
Popping through the carby is possibly
a) too lean (although in this case I think not)
b) points gap is way too closed
c) ignition timing is out
to be sure that #1 is at TDC compression take the #1 spark plug out, take the distributor cap off, stick you finger in the spark plug hole, turn the engine over in a clockwise direction with a (19mm?) spanner on your front crank pulley bolt until the air pushes your finger out of the spark plug hole, then timing mark on the pulley should be close to the marking pin.
Now see where the rotor button is in relation to the #1 plug lead.
Make it in the right place and then see if you engine starts.
Check the points gap.
If everything checks out then put it back together and try to start it. If it starts then get a mechanic (or experienced person) to set the ignition timing.
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 09:49
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guys guys guys
first things first
this guys says he did the spark plugs and leads recently
first establish whether it was a simple case of putting the leads on the wrong way
did this problem start occuring after u replaced and re-arranged the leads ?
or did it slowly slowly occur and got to the point that it wouldnt start anymore ?
Ta
Mani
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Mon, 21 July 2003 14:20
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All fixed guys. The timing was out IMMENSELY! I think when 1st cylinder was TDC on compression, the dizzy rotor was at 2nd cylinder lead! Not good. I fixed the timing (roughly by ear, lol!) and it's now running pretty sweet.
Big learning experience for me. Thanks heaps to need_boost and Nark for their help!
xay.
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On your mum!
Registered:
May 2002
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Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
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 Re: Flooded Carby
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Tue, 22 July 2003 01:11
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I did actually mention the leads as soon as I found out that it was after the leads and spark plugs were done. My third post actually.
Good to hear that she's running. Toymods comes to the rescue again.
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Flooded Carby
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Tue, 22 July 2003 08:29
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U guys did too
I was rushing through all the posts so i didnt read it properly and must have missed it
my apologies
Ta
Mani
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