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VIC ppl read me plz...
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Sun, 27 July 2003 14:03
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i am about to buy an ae92 sx with a 20v..
the car hasnt got a rwc... will i be able to obtain one easily considering the engine swap? the car is in great all round nick and i can prolly get my mates dad to get me the rwc.. but will i be stretching the friendship?
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May 2002
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Re: VIC ppl read me plz...
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Sun, 27 July 2003 23:26
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does anyone know what i do if i am buying an unregisted car?
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: VIC ppl read me plz...
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Sun, 27 July 2003 23:51
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Well really a 20V is a slightly newer version of the original 4AG - so I can't see any real issues there. If you're buying it unregistered, all you really need to do is:
1. Get a receipt - you'll want it come rego time
2. Make sure the things in good order! (duh...)
3. Always write the minumum possible that you can get away with on the purchase price part of the rego form - get the dude you're buying it to write out a 2nd receipt for a very cheap amount (lowers the stamp duty!)
4. Check with the vehicle securities register (ring vicroads 131171) to make sure it's not pinched or anything! 
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Re: VIC ppl read me plz...
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Mon, 28 July 2003 00:20
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If you take the totally legitimate path, it will be a hassle to get a road-worthy cos of the engine swap. Since the engine was never sold here in Australia in that car then you MUST get an engineering certificate to get it registered. That was the advice I had from VIcroads a few months ago.
Realistically, esp. since you can get a mate to do the RWC, it shouldn't be too hard. Since they are both 4AGs and so look similar and the engine numbers wont give it away.
Also, ask why he isn't selling with RWC and get your mate's dad to look at it before you buy.
Hen
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Re: VIC ppl read me plz...
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Mon, 28 July 2003 00:37
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| Henn wrote on Mon, 28 July 2003 10:20 |
If you take the totally legitimate path, it will be a hassle to get a road-worthy cos of the engine swap. Since the engine was never sold here in Australia in that car then you MUST get an engineering certificate to get it registered. That was the advice I had from VIcroads a few months ago.
Realistically, esp. since you can get a mate to do the RWC, it shouldn't be too hard. Since they are both 4AGs and so look similar and the engine numbers wont give it away.
Also, ask why he isn't selling with RWC and get your mate's dad to look at it before you buy.
Hen
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what would be the less legitimate path?
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I supported Toymods
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May 2002
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Re: VIC ppl read me plz...
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Mon, 28 July 2003 07:35
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This one:
| Henn wrote on Mon, 28 July 2003 10:20 |
Realistically, esp. since you can get a mate to do the RWC, it shouldn't be too hard. Since they are both 4AGs and so look similar and the engine numbers wont give it away.
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Melbourne
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January 2003
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Mon, 28 July 2003 07:38
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that 20v won't be an issue to roadworthy. Its still a similar engine class as in 4a. I think u can probably get away with a gze in most places. It really depends where abouts u are located.
If u are truely interested i know a place where they do good cheap roadworthies. A place i should have done mine at originally. As long as the car appears half decent. No rust no stupid modifications i.e chopped springs missing bits here and there. They will roadworthy it.
Mrshin is right about that stamp duty. It doesn't really matter about that reciept. Just write it up yourself and include vin and engine number. They might get sceptical and they will make u write up a vehicle declaration form that basically means. Under what circumstances that car is yours. Just be wary if it is on finance or stolen as mentioned before.
Other than that it shouldn't be an issue to register that 20v. Vicroads barely look at the car. they just check the engine and vin number. I got a mate down at the burwood east vicroads. I can chekc up when the next time he is there doing vehicle inspections and u go down when hes there 
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Mon, 28 July 2003 08:09
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just get your mechanics mate to look it over before purchase + if they do the engineers report - all should be sweet - I converted from a 2t to a 2tB with no issues - and didnt even need an engineering report because the motors ( bar compression ) are virstually identical ..
best avenue is to talk to vicroads and say whats been done to the car and IF it needs the cert or not ..
Seeing your not going to another family of motor ( ie 1g or 3s for example ) and the conversion was done properly - you shouldnt have any issues at all
Best to get the report if its needed - because if you have an accident in that car - and the RTA want to be picky - you can void all insurance cover you have ..
Cover your bum - thats my advice
Stuart
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Mon, 28 July 2003 11:39
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Like I said before, that car with that engine NEEDS an engineering report to be registered with Vicroads legitimately.
It is easy not to do it legitimately as discussed above, and probably wont get you into trouble, but could void all insurance and possibly the third party personal insurance that comes with your rego. And that could spell big trouble.
And an engineering report is a hassle in itself to get
- Must run stock computer
- Needs a noise test
- Needs an emissions check
- Needs a brake fade test
- A bunch of other crap I have not yet discovered
So even if it passes everything you are up for at least a few hundred bucks just to perform all the required tests.
Hen
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Melbourne
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Mon, 28 July 2003 13:33
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the car is currently registered.. so how can it be illegal? all i will be doing is obtaining an rwc and transferring the rego into my name..
i am confused. vicroads said today that the engine is ok.
henn: are u talking about getting the car registered from scratch?
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Colac, Victoria
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:02
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if vicroads have no issues with it - you should be pretty sweet then ..
Still - ask someone like ladySX if her 4agze needed engineering certs to put it into her ae92.. She'd probably be the best person that i know with that type of conversion..
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July 2002
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Re: VIC ppl read me plz...
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Tue, 29 July 2003 06:39
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well i got my celica regoed with an 18RG and no engineers, and that was with a tightaresed roadworthy inspector... the whole "18r series" thing worked with me, so i dont think you'll have a problem, especially if your car hasnt gone from single cam to twin, etc
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Tue, 29 July 2003 07:28
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If you've spoken to Vicroads and they are all good with it then that is sweet.
The advice I got a while ago was that if the engine (20v) was never sold in Australia in your model of car (AE92) the you need it engineered. Maybe time and alcohol have stuffed my memory or maybe I got dodgy advice.
Also it sould be regoed now because Vicroads dont know there is a 20v in it. A friend changed his engine number at Vicroads and they inspected the car and were happy that the numbers were as he had told them, what they didn't notice was that it was a 4AGE in a TA22.
But in any case, believe what Vicroads tell you, but make sure you get the name of the person you talk to and the time, in case there are issues later.
Hen
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May 2002
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Tue, 29 July 2003 09:05
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ok. the enngine is already in and has been registed for a while. the current owner told vicroads that the stock engine (16v) blew up so it was replaced with the newer version (which happens to be the 20v)...
i will call vicroads again in the morning and give them all the vin and chassis numbers and make sure the engine swap is deemed to be 100% ok and that the current owner didnt bullshit too much to vicroads..
now for the rwc: what sort of things do they check?
i will be helping the owner fix the following, but if there is any more stuff i should look for can u PLZ tel me?
* changing "racing seat" back to the stock seat
* swpping steering wheel, gear knob and pedals to stock
* currently single wiper conversion (changing back 2 wipers)
will the exhaust noise be a problem?
will the lowering be a problem?
thanks heaps for the advice guys
once i get this sorted i am DEFINATLEY coming on some cruises now.. i wont get left too far behind now..
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May 2002
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: VIC ppl read me plz...
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Thu, 31 July 2003 10:05
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Just paint the valve cover fluro yellow or pink, that way they will think it's just some nifty plastic engine cover.
When you transfer a vehicle you just need to present it so they can check the Road Worthy Certificate and the Chassis number and Engine number. Because as far as Vicroads is concerned once it's passed RWC it's all good. And knowing someone who is a little sloppy in their RWC can pass just about anything. I've seen a GZE Sprinter pass without engineers.
Sure it's not legal, and probably not safe, but who's stopping the people driving around on bald tyres, making enough smoke to cause smog alerts.
But it's worth getting a proper roadworthy, you are going to be driving it, how much is your life worth?
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