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Wed, 30 July 2003 00:48
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ok here it goes.... anyone know of a site or even a person that has done a swap on a first gen celica? i have a 77 celica st. i am looking at using a 7mgte engine or a toyota tacoma engine ... trying to find info if either of these engines have a possibility of fitting with a few modifications...... thanx steve please contact me at lifeexpires@aol.com
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Wed, 30 July 2003 03:27
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I have heard of a 7m being installed into a RA28 before but haven't seen the car. I would think you would have a lot of problems with the length of the block. It is a fair bit heavier than the original engine.
As for the Tacoma engine, I am not sure what engine that is so I wont comment there.
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Wed, 30 July 2003 04:46
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The Tacoma engine should be the same as our Hilux shouldn't it?
Dan
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Re: engine swap questions
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Wed, 30 July 2003 06:03
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Is the 1G easily available in the US???
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I supported Toymods
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Wed, 30 July 2003 06:15
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nope.. 1g-gte is pretty rare in the states ... which is why they all mod their 22r's (that and annoying pollution laws).
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Wed, 30 July 2003 06:30
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I'd go for a 3S or 3T. Much better engine than the old 22R and make a much nicer car than a 7M
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Wed, 30 July 2003 13:43
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tacoma are the 3rz and the 5vzfe engines..... i am just trying to find an engine i can put a super/turbo charger on... and get at leat 200+ hp all the origianl celica motors just dont have enough kick.
1g-gte?? 3s 3t? what are these out of?
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Perth
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September 2002
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Re: engine swap questions
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Wed, 30 July 2003 15:33
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5vz-fe is in our prado's
3.4 v6's
my dads got one, not to shabby really 130ish kW, pulls a heavy prado pretty good
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Re: engine swap questions
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Wed, 30 July 2003 21:55
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but does anyone know if this will fit into a 77 celica?
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Wed, 30 July 2003 22:19
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unfortunatley no one in australia has tried putting a 5VZ into a celica as we have other engines readily available that'll swap in with less trouble...
looks like you might have to be a pioneer on this one.
what other toyota engines in the US are readily available?
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Re: engine swap questions
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Wed, 30 July 2003 22:26
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i was thinking of trying to find and 18rg and have it imported ...due to the fact i prefer dohc engines.... but form what i hear thay are not too great with making horsepower i know the 5vzfe puts out 190 bhp/220 tq .. i hear it fits with custom motor mounts... but have no one that has doen it to verify it... and besides i need a gearbox with a closer gear ratio than one form a truck
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Wed, 30 July 2003 22:36
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hmmm there arent any small capacity RWD engines in that list
u can convert the 3S-GE and 3S-GTE to RWD but it will mean a bit of fab work as im guessing you didnt receive the SA63 celica in US. (u can grab bits from this model celica to convert a 3S to RWD)
once again i have to say looks like you'll be a pioneer with this.
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Re: engine swap questions
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Wed, 30 July 2003 22:38
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well you wouldnt know what it costs to ship an engine to the usa would ya? haha do you know what a 1g-gte is?
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Wed, 30 July 2003 23:06
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There are companies in the US which specialise in importing engines from Japan. I know this because lots of people on Supra-based mailing lists and forums are buying JDM 1JZ-GTE's and 7M-GTE's to put it their cars. That being the case, you shouldn't have any trouble acquiring a 1G-GTE or indeed any other fairly recent engine from Japan. Sorry I can't supply you with any specific details, I can only tell you that these comapnies exist. 
The 1G-GTE is a 2 litre inline six, DOHC 24-valve twin turbo and intercooled. They are a JDM-only engine, and they were found in Mk3 Supras, Soarers, MkII's and a lots of other cars. Later versions had 210hp in factory tune.
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Re: engine swap questions
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Wed, 30 July 2003 23:14
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hmmmm 1g is a small supra engine... do you know how much longer the 5mge or 7mge engines are compared to the 1g? the 5mge is a 2.5l supra/cressida and the 7mge is a 3.0. cause i dont think they made a 1g in the states
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Wed, 30 July 2003 23:40
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5M-GE is a 2.8ltre and yep they didnt make the 1G in the US, or australia but they are available at our local engine importer.
if you visit your local engine importer as norbie suggested they may be able to get one in for u, as well as a host of other JDM engines to choose from.
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Thu, 31 July 2003 00:00
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well what size is the 1g? what is the bhp on that? is it alot smaller than the us 5mg or 7mg?
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Thu, 31 July 2003 00:13
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The 1G is an inline 6 cylinder, 2 litres capacity (120ci)
The 1G-gte (twing turbo version of the 1G) puts out about 200hp depending on what version.
There is heaps of info for these engines on the tech pages of this site.
I would investigate spares availibility before putting any import engine in your car. Talk to your local toyota dealership and ask whick of their branches deal with import cars and talk to them about spares.
The 1G is available in GA70 supras and GX soarers
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Thu, 31 July 2003 00:15
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so neither of you know if the 2.8l is alot longer?
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Thu, 31 July 2003 02:54
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Not very good at reading are you? 
Yes the 1G is significantly smaller than the M series engines.
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Re: engine swap questions
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Thu, 31 July 2003 04:41
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damn dude... you fdont have ot insult me.... i know its a smaller litre but i dont recall you stating the engine length... but no matter i went to the local amateur drags tonight and there was a 76 & 73 celica racing... one with a 2.0l nissan silvia engine(73) and one with a 3.4l v6 tacoma(76).. odd that i ran into them tonight... they both fit great.
the gent driving the 73 has a friend wiht a ijz engine and he said it fits really easy the v6 took some brain work and some fabrication for mounting... but it looks like i am goign with a 5vzfe...... thanx for your time guys
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Thu, 31 July 2003 05:33
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I havn't put a ruler over both the engines, but the M series block is visibly longer than the G series. You will have a fairly easy install for a G series. 1J's and 5/7M's will require either firewall mods or radiator support mods. They are also heavier than the 1G and put the weight further forward, so your handling will suffer.
Do you guys get celica GT4's or MR2 GT's there. These are great engines and worth looking into.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Thu, 31 July 2003 06:21
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You're much better off with a 3S-GTE out of an MR2 Turbo or GT-Four.
If you're really interested in the 5VZ-FE, go to http://celicas.org/ and subscribe to the Old Celica Club mailing list.
There's a guy by the name of Gary M. on there who autocrosses an RA65 with a worked 300hp 22R-E who's changing it for a turbo 5VZ-FE.
Posting up a few questions there will get you a whole host of information.
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