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MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 00:44
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Ok, my dad has got himself another MA61, so theres a spare set of just about everything there. Of course ill score the seats, and mags for my AE86 but I'm wondering about the brakes. Has anybody done a conversion like this before? can maybe tell me what problems I'm going to come across, whether its worth attempting at all? The whole car is there so i can get any bits i would need from the MA61.
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Banned user
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July 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 02:07
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get some RA40 struts, fit them to the ae86 and then the MA61 brakes to the strut
easy
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March 2003
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 03:27
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yeah but how good r these ma61 brakes?
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 03:42
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A lot better than Sprinter brakes, that's for sure! For starters they're ventilated which is a huge improvement in itself, and they're also bigger (258mm, not sure what Sprinter discs are but they're tiny). The caliper is pretty good too, only single piston but plenty of pad area which is the main thing.
Simon is over-simplifying things a little though! You need to use the entire MA61 hub assembly, which has the side effect of increasing the wheel offset by about 9mm each side. You have to use the MA61 calipers and they won't bolt on to the RA40 strut so you need to fabricate a new backing plate. If you want more details you'll find them on my web site - I did this conversion on my RA23 Celica a while ago.
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March 2003
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 03:49
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would u say its better than evosti's braking system he made up from the sprinter?
its probably be cheaper though
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I Supported Toymods
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melbourne.vic.au
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 05:08
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You Have mail 
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 07:20
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well if you do the hilux/pug upgrade yourself you can probably get it done for under $1K depending on how far you want to take it ie using new parts, reco'd parts or used parts.
i dont know how much the celica upgrade costs, or how it goes but i spose you have to compare how much they cost, and if its worth the bit extra for the 4 piston upgrade.
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 07:32
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FWIW i paid 50 bucks for my brakes
just need a bracket made (free) and im set to bolt it on.
better brakes then JDM ae86.. MA61 brakes haul up a 1350 kg car` pretty well.. im sure it will do ok on my 850 kg car
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cambo
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 08:12
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yeah if you already got the parts may as well go that way. dunno bout engineering tho, dunno if you can engineer a sprinter with a more powerful motor with those brakes but i would say you can. i know you can engineer the hilux/pug upgrade forsure tho.
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Banned user
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 08:27
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well thats something im not sure about.. but i cant see why not
they are going to be bloody effective brakes!
i had JDM brakes on my old AE86 and i never faded those.. they wree excellent.
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melb
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 08:52
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ae86's dont weigh 850kg (theyre 950 kg) and ma61's are not 1350kg (theyre closer to 1250kg).
but I take your point.
you cant just use the struts as is on an ae86 - be aware of the negative camber created doing this.
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Tue, 12 August 2003 09:00
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chris: mines been some what STRIPPED.
ive been lead to believe that an MA61 weighs around 1300kgs
and the RA40 strut bolts in.
the RA60 strut is the one that causes camber probs
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 00:26
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I have a complete MA61 strut and brake assembly on my 28. They work really well, maybe not up to the Hilux/pug system but a damn sight better than the crap that Toyota put on it.
As chriss said, you will probably have problems with chamber. Mine needed eccentric bushes installed in the lower chassis mounts of the arm to give me more negative chamber.
The strut angles on a MA61 is a few degrees more than the celica which I assume is the same as the sprinter.
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 00:58
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| chrisss wrote on Tue, 12 August 2003 18:52 |
and ma61's are not 1350kg (theyre closer to 1250kg).
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you wish
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I supported Toymods
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 01:21
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Mine will 
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 01:23
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so will mine (eventually)
pity only two people will be able to experience it at one time...
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 01:25
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| EVOSTi wrote on Tue, 12 August 2003 18:12 |
yeah if you already got the parts may as well go that way. dunno bout engineering tho, dunno if you can engineer a sprinter with a more powerful motor with those brakes but i would say you can. i know you can engineer the hilux/pug upgrade forsure tho.
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There won't be any problems with engineering in this situation. I didn't even have to upgrade the brakes in my Supra after I installed the 2JZ! Chances are you wouldn't be required to upgrade the brakes in an AE86 either, but with the Supra brakes you'd be laughing.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 01:57
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Only two people will be able to experience mine at one time...the two in the back are still trying to breathe properly due to them being crammed by the no leg room and the sunroof intruding into their headspace!
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 04:07
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MA61 offically weighed in at 1297kg on a weighbridge for engineering.
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Mine will
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Haha sure.......and it is an MA61 
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 04:28
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Neither is your new one 
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Location:
Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 06:04
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shite norbie!
not even required with a 2J
better than i thought!
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Wed, 13 August 2003 15:31
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If they are good enough for a Lotus Esprit Turbo, then they are good enough for my AE86. Well I actually have Celica RA60 brakes, but I am lead to belive they are the same. So I lost some negative camber, by eyeball it doesn't look positive, but at least I know that at the bottom of the hill I will be able to stop.
I've got a set of EBC Greenstuff V4 pads with the stock rotors. I can't get them to fade, unlike the Bendix standard pads that were in there before. For $170 they ought to be. The standard pads were good for 5 - 10 mins of sprited hill and hairpin action, but having to back off half way through isn't fun.
I took some comparison photos before I installed them, but I don't know how to post them here. I can email them to those interested, it's at least 20% bigger in the pad.
Daniel
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Perth
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September 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Thu, 14 August 2003 07:41
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c2888: i wouldnt mind those photos if you could email them to me please alemc@iinet.net.au
Im looking for a brake upgrade.. hopefully this will help my decision..
thanx
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Thu, 14 August 2003 13:26
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Due to the massive interest in the pics, 2 people , i've decided to put them on a page.
Thumbnail gallery http://www.alphalink.com.au/~soyracer/Brake_Upgrad e/page1.html
For those interested in costs, i got the pair of struts, which were complete, from a self serve wreckers for 170 bucks. Would've been a few dollars cheaper if I took the springs and tops off, but I didn't have my spring compressor handy.
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Location:
Melbourne
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September 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Thu, 14 August 2003 14:05
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I was looking at a similair upgrade for my sprinter... But what about spring setups? Do the std sprinter springs fit the ra40 struts or ?
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Thu, 14 August 2003 14:06
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I used those brakes on my AE86 for a while with Greenstuff pads - they were fine until I turbo'd the bloody thing 
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Perth
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September 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Thu, 14 August 2003 14:49
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You should try stock brakes then
Anything better !
My shoe wedged in between the wheels would brake better than the stock setup haha...
They seem a bit bigger and at least theyre ventilated.. Does anyone know if DBA stock bigger or slotted + ventilated discs for ra60's ?
And someone mentioned it increases offset by 9..
Does this mean some wheels wont be able to fit on them afterwards or it will just stick out a bit more ?
thanx
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Campbelltown, NSW
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November 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Thu, 14 August 2003 22:56
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hey i did this on my AE-71. Just changed springs, tops and steering arms and put in adjustable strut tops works a treat!!!! sooooo much better than stockies!!!!! this is a piece of piss this conversion.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Thu, 14 August 2003 23:21
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DBA stock slotted rotors for the RA65/MA61. I'm using them on my MA61 with EBC Greenstuff pads and they work pretty well, even on a bargearse Supra.
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Perth
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September 2002
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Re: MA61 brakes on AE86
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Fri, 15 August 2003 04:05
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Sweet sweet.. Sounds good
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