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mr2 3sgte question ??
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Wed, 13 August 2003 00:25
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my question is whats the fastest mr2 and biggest hp someone has seen or heard from a mr2 or a 3sgte engine?
and if you can direct me to that or they have some info of what it had in it?
besides 10 sec mr2's in japan
in australia
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Wed, 13 August 2003 05:37
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i know it was one off at one stage but i dont know anymore.... as i was trying to go for that record but cost too much money i dont have that much u would need a sponser.... just do a search in yahoo aus on one off mr2...
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Wed, 13 August 2003 05:46
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There was a psyhco MR2 at a Autosalon here in Adel a few years back...
It pulled one of the biggest numbers on the dyno that day, but i cant remeber what it was 
Ive got photos of it somewhere....
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I supported Toymods
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Wed, 13 August 2003 06:04
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If you have a picture of the back of that MR2 it says who did the engine work!
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Wed, 13 August 2003 06:49
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ive worked on that mr2
i also hooked up a motec to a big hp mr2
had 280kws at the wheels
but bound to have more once it gets sorted out
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Wed, 13 August 2003 09:18
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that is Paul Brell's (BD4's) 'One Off'
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Wed, 13 August 2003 21:22
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so does anyone no what else was in that car besides the ecu to get it there to 280kw would u say that is an everyday driving car? and how much was spend on it
would u say getting a mr2 3sgte to 220kw at the rear wheels is fairly easy by changing pistons, rods, turbo and ecu because im trying to compare sr20det to 3sgte, silvia or mr2 or GSR lancer VR4 engine? which one would it be????
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Prospect, Sydney
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Thu, 14 August 2003 03:07
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Paul Brell's motor is a Gen 3 3S-GTE, which is significantly better for modifying than the earlier generations. I've been in that car and itz a beast. Paul performed all the work on my MR2. Once I finish all the work with my ecu, I wanna see if I can break the MR2 record, as it will be an unachievable goal in a few months time, as I know of a few MR2's that currently being built that will eat mine for breakfast.
Sprinterboy, you will easily attain 220rwkw with a Gen 3 3S-GTE with stock internals, and fuel systsem (Gen 3's have 550cc injectors standard). I've recorded 195rwkw on my stock block Gen 3 3S-GTE, and with a standard ecu. I expect around about the 220rwkw mark when my ecu is fully set up and tuned. With a VR4 motor or SR20, you will at least need to change the fuel system, but their standard internals are up to the task.
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Thu, 14 August 2003 03:12
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I forgot to mention, currently the fastest MR2 in Australia is a red AW11 (older shape) with a GT30 turbo and stock internals. It's run an 11.8 or 11.7 second quarter. There are other MR2's in the country with the power to beat that, but thatz what the record stands at at the moment, which is what I wanna beat before the rush comes in. Paul Brell doesn't drag race 1 OFF, he likes taking it to the track instead.
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Thu, 14 August 2003 03:21
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yeah and its only a 1.6 and usin a ze block 
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Thu, 14 August 2003 04:04
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also with ur question to 220kw at wheels easy, done from what u have listed but i have done all of this but using ems.... making 190kw at wheels on 16psi i want more and i can go more but get the gt30 and upgrade the fuel system and then big power will come expecting close to 280kw...
also i know trd have a 900hp 3sgte motor do a search on it.
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Thu, 14 August 2003 04:23
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what turbo r u using what kw does the factory 3sgte come out in?
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Thu, 14 August 2003 23:28
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Any one know where i might b able to pick up and seat of those 550cc injectors as i have an older 3s gte adn those injectors would b relly nice for when i get my new ecu!
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Fri, 15 August 2003 05:19
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hgahahahah good luck finding anything from a gen 3 motor if u find very expensive LOL.... ur better off getting aftermarket ones to suit like hks 550 for the 3sgte or better yet 640cc hks....
go to bd4s.com.au and they have pricing there
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Fri, 15 August 2003 06:36
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mr.2, what mods do u have to get your 190rwkw??
Nazza, I've heard of quite a few MR2 owners putting Supra 550cc injectors in, not sure how easy they are to get a hold of though.
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Fri, 15 August 2003 22:59
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I found myself a set of US 550cc SUpra injectors, only paid $70 each!! but yeh took me months to find em too...they are pretty darn rare.
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Fri, 15 August 2003 23:07
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Im putting a Blitz KKK K3T on my gen 2 3SGTE when I get around to finishing it, all the parts are sitting here...just waiting for a gen 3 ECU at the moment.. and I'll let you know how it goes in a few months time, maybe even for next dyno day who knows....its not far off though.
Plan is to use a Gen 3 ECU for basic functions, and a TSI piggy back computer for fuelling/ignition, KKK K3T Turbo, equal length runner manifold, Turbonetics 42mm racegate ex. wastegaste, 550cc Supra Injectors, (rail already mofidied and dual fed), Malpassi rising rate pressure reg, RX7 S6 fuel pump.
Turbo is only oil cooled so it makes it simple for plumbing, get rid of heaps of crap in the engine bay, and using a 13row oil cooler to help keep the oil temps down.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Sat, 16 August 2003 00:11
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I have a Gen 3 ECU 
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Sat, 16 August 2003 01:11
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Well have you got a Map Sensor, O2 Sensor, Air temp sensors and ECU and willing to part with them all SOON? If not dont worry, if so give me a price and Ill tell you what i think mate..Im talking next couple of weeks at the longest.
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Sat, 16 August 2003 03:31
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I have all the sensors and I could be willing to seperate depending on the offer.
Just remember my ECU is the MiNES! Send me a PM!
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Sat, 16 August 2003 07:29
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If I save enough for my Haltech E6K in the next few weeks, I'll definetely sell you my standard Gen 3 ecu and all the sensors I can add (MAP, 02, etc). How much you willing to pay??
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Sun, 17 August 2003 10:13
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whether its mines or not, im not going to be running the standard ECU alone, so its worth no more than the standard ECU to me.. sorry.
94mr2turbo, Ill msg you about it on icq, if you're the person im thinking of.
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Finland
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November 2002
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Wellington, NZ
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Mon, 05 April 2004 01:59
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The MR2 factory fuel pump is good enough to supply 850cc injectors...I know of at least 3 MR2's doing so for quite a while now with no problams. Gen II MR2's are supposed to be around 165 kw's in stock trim, Gen III's around 182 kw's. Quite a few Gen III people seem to be pulling really good numbers in stock trim...and with basic mods the 220 kw mark should be easy 
94mr2turbo do you have a Dyno sheet for you 195 kw run?? Iv'e noticed a fair few pulling lke that lately and have been doubted when posting those results on other forums  would be good to prove them wrong
Cheers
KiwiMR2
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Mon, 05 April 2004 02:14
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I've got a dyno sheet of my recent 223.5 rwkw run if you want it. I just need to find someone with a scanner. Should shut them up.....
BTW, the standard fuel pump CANNOT support much. I'm having troubles with my standard fuel pump at the moment. Its the only thing keeping me from achieving 250rwkw. The standard pump is limiting my injectors to around 450cc at the moment, or so my mechanic says.
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Mon, 05 April 2004 02:22
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I've got a dyno sheet of my recent 223.5 rwkw run if you want it. I just need to find someone with a scanner. Should shut them up.....
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Sweet...would be good if ya could jack that up
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BTW, the standard fuel pump CANNOT support much. I'm having troubles with my standard fuel pump at the moment. Its the only thing keeping me from achieving 250rwkw. The standard pump is limiting my injectors to around 450cc at the moment, or so my mechanic says.
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Could be....as I mentioned there's a few chaps Iv'e read of not upgrading it and there running 850cc just fine, but check out what Phoenix's Power said about replacing the pump:
After some e-mails from you guys, I called them up again and talked to the gentlemen that programmed their ECU's and has done a lot of work on them and so forth.
Well, I started out with the question of the #3 cylinder. He said that in the Japanese models, the surge tank feeds a bit more air to the #2 piston. They don't really worry about it too much. They just over balance the #2 cylinder injector by a few %. He said he has NEVER blown an engine like we seem to be doing.
His main thing he said, was to NEVER... NEVER change the stock timing. He said that when the knock sensor goes off, it retards the timing and it stays that way till the engine is restarted. Not a good way to produce reliable HP.
The key to making the engines work well and produce the high HP by getting RID of the AFM (I'm not advertising for the new AFM-R... is that whatit's called) and reprogramming the ECU for better Ignition timing and fuel maps. I mentioned that for the most part we only have 92 octane grade and he said that's not really a problem but it would require different programming then the Japanese spec computers.
270-280 rwhp is normal for the Gen I and GenII models. Gen III to GenV is around 330 from a simple comp (it raises the boost) exhaust, & intake. As was the last gentleman, they both seemed to be surprised how much trouble we were having making HP. The stock IC is not a problem they said.
It goes, Computer (replaces the AFM, boost sensor, and harness to be plug and play),intake filter,exhaust THEN IC. They claim that the Greedy unit becomes more like awall at high speeds and is only 3 core while their unit is 4 core and lets the air through(the fins aka heat sink area) better. So it does not heat soak as bad even thought its thicker and they claim proof on the intake temp drop. The ignition, they use the stock setup with no mods. He said it is more then adequate. No mods there. He also mentioned some info on exhaust and other parts but I will keep that for another post. Neat stuff though. They use 750 cc injectors on their high HP models but for the mostpart DO NOT change the fuel pump. I was under the impression that they used a different fuel pump for different year models but he said that from Gen I all the way toGen V uses the same pump. The injectors did change from Gen III but not the pump. He said that the Supra pump is over rated and that if we are going to all the trouble to replace it, to just use one of Apexi's units that puts 240 per minute. Its a lot stronger and better unit he said.
I might look into it again and see if I can find some info on the fellas already doing it
Cheers
KiwiMR2
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Re: mr2 3sgte question ??
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Mon, 05 April 2004 02:33
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Sounds interesting, but due to my recent experiences, I don't agree. I agree that the fuel pump is the same along all 4 generations of the 3S-GTE, but I don't think that it's anywhere near good enough for 750cc injectors, or even 550's for that matter. When I do upgrade my fuel pump, I'm not planning on using a Supra pump, I'll prolly use a Bosch pump.
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