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Wed, 10 July 2002 13:20
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Anybody else notice that the headlights on the new holden cruze are a dead ripoff of the Gen 5 Prelude (the latest shape)?
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Wed, 10 July 2002 13:23
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Thats cause Holdens blow goats 
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Thu, 11 July 2002 08:00
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the whole thing is a suzuki
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Thu, 11 July 2002 09:56
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Considering GM owns Suzuki....
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Thu, 11 July 2002 10:06
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Cool1,
Holdens kick Fords ass!!! Just look at the V8 Supercar series... I think Skaife is like 700 points infront...
I will agree that the Cruze is a piece of shit but HSV's are are a piece of artwork... The luxury and styling are awesome...
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Thu, 11 July 2002 10:59
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LMAO...Dont tell me that you compare the V8 series cars to the cars that you and I could buy off the showroom floor!!!
If you do, you need serous educating.
Holdens are very poor quality! Would you put a 1ggte in a TA22 with out upgrading the brakes? Cause this is what Holden basicly do!
And Holdens dont even use Holden made engines! So how can you say that the Holden is a better car than the Ford? If you took the engine away it would be a even more useless peice of crap than it is now.
Shall I keep going? Anyone that really knows anything about the two cars in question would know what i'm talking about! And I dont mean people that think they know what they are talking about!
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Thu, 11 July 2002 11:30
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Just remind me which Holden has/had a chev 305 engine in it ever. Oh yeah which holden has a ford 9in live axle. Which new holden has any type of live axle. One more thing where can i get my hollinger dog box to complete my chev/ford drivetrain?
Hahahahahahahahaha
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Thu, 11 July 2002 12:01
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I wasn't comparing them to the road cars just reffering to them as Ford beaters... They are a good family car but there is only performance in the HSV's but they are let down with too much weight... Holden upgrade their brakes... Crossed drilled in the HSV's...
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Re: Holden Cruze
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Thu, 11 July 2002 12:22
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| purpleminiep wrote on Thu, 11 July 2002 9:00 PM |
One more thing where can i get my hollinger dog box to complete my chev/ford drivetrain?
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Where can I get my Hollinger dog box to complete my Supra drive train? (just need the dough  )
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Thu, 11 July 2002 13:01
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| Rolla Boy wrote on Thu, 11 July 2002 10:01 PM |
I wasn't comparing them to the road cars just reffering to them as Ford beaters... They are a good family car but there is only performance in the HSV's but they are let down with too much weight... Holden upgrade their brakes... Crossed drilled in the HSV's...
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How can you call them Ford beaters? The Holdens are not Holdens! And the Fords are not Fords! They are totally different! The body is'nt even the same as the cars you and I would buy! Belive it or not the cars are 2ft wider! The Fords however still use a Ford engine and the Ford Diff! And dont get me started about why the Holdens always win the series. There is a very good reason!
And as Brad was saying, Just about 98% of drag cars use the Ford 9inch diff! Thats got to be saying something about the ford product!
If you want to start comparing the HSV with a Ford, you should compare it with one of the T-Series! I know for sure what will come of second best in just about every department! Yes the T-Series is much more expensive but you get a whole lot more!
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Thu, 11 July 2002 13:33
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If i was going to buy an Australian delivered Mum Taxi i would wait for the new Ford straight 6 twin cam turbo they have on the dyno at Geelong. Running only 4psi they are having trouble detuning it enough not to upstage their performance v8.
Now that would make you smile on the way home from a club with a non englisg speaking driver!!
There are picks on the net somewhere.
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Thu, 11 July 2002 14:57
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Some of u guys need to open your eyes.
Of course lots of drag cars use a ford nine 9inch. Strength comes with size. If any other car company made a 9 inch I'm positive it would be stronger then fords. The basic reason being the knowledge and materials available today.
And who gives a rat arse if Holden use chev motors. They own Holden anyway. Its just they have a different name.
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Thu, 11 July 2002 21:54
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Who was talking about Chev motors? The holdens you buy off the showroom floor dont use Chev motors!
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Fri, 12 July 2002 00:39
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well ive been in a 255kw HSV and a TT soarer, id pick the soarer ANYDAY, its more stylish, better interior, $40k in your pocket extra, and well turbo is just more fun =P
HSVs are just commo's with bodykits and a bigger engine
they are tanks...
granted they drive like caged beasts waiting to be unleashed, its just not for me.
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Fri, 12 July 2002 02:22
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I'm not talking about the HSV/Club sport! I'm talking about Holdens in general! Go buy a standard Commodore and you wont get a Holden engine!
But if you just want to talk about the HSV's, we'll just compare tothe T-Series Falcons!
Now this is someting you Holden praising people wont be able to comment on!
The T-Series will out do the HSV in every category! Except the price tag of course! But we all know why that is.
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 Why that is...
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Fri, 12 July 2002 02:35
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Because it costs more?????  
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Fri, 12 July 2002 03:23
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Yes you can but it is a gen111 not a gen 11 they use in the supercar series. You have never been able to buy a 5 litre chev engine in a Holden except for the first Monaro and that was instead of the 5.7 special order. I am complaining because part of their excuse for banning the skyline was because they did not sell enough of the engines in Australian delivered cars.
The reason they stopped usimg holden V8 was because they were too heavy and the heads were wrong. The 308 weighs much more than trhe small block chev which can be bought from chev at up to 395ci.
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Fri, 12 July 2002 03:50
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Ummmm yes. This is why I am saying the Holden is not as good a product as the Falcon.
Who here has driven one of the T-Series Falcons? Once you drive one of those you would never go back to a HSV!
Another thing about all the Commodore series is they are all small inside compared to the Falcon! When I had my licence I was driving 1000Km a week! I would/could never do that in a Commodore!
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Fri, 12 July 2002 05:11
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Ok,,, so we all have or likes and dislikes....
BUT... i have driven a T-series Ford.... and have also driven almost every holden you can think of..... i still choose the holdens....
Sorry guys
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Re: Holden Cruze
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Fri, 12 July 2002 05:34
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So what model T-Series did you drive? And when? And where at?
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Re: Holden Cruze
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Fri, 12 July 2002 05:36
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build a bridge....
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Fri, 12 July 2002 05:37
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ahhhh what?
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Fri, 12 July 2002 05:43
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Cool1.
I am not entirely sure what one it was but from memory i think was a TE50....
and not very long ago at a club meet with the holden club....
where... we were on the mountain doing trackwork.
anymore questions...
like i said b4... we all have our likes and dislikes...
I don't come in here and bag out the fords... but i will defend the holdens anyday.
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Fri, 12 July 2002 05:51
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Dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to put anyone or any car down in anyway! And i'm not trying to tell anyone what make of car they should like!
I'm just saying which is the better product!
When it comes to the HSV Vs the T-Series, the Ford wins hands down every time!
I have access to a Ford dealer that knows exactly where all the T-Series fords are that have been sold. And there are not many! This is because the T-Series is a true "Special Vehicle" unlike the HSV that are not special at all! If they were, there would'nt be so many of them!
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Re: Holden Cruze
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Fri, 12 July 2002 06:00
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Fair enough.... I will apoligise for sounding like a bitch..... I am just alittle tired of ppl's dislike of those cars... when the way i see it is if they were so unliked then why are the sales figures through the roof.?
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Fri, 12 July 2002 06:09
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The sales are so high because they are cheap, and there are people that are out there that think they are the same cars that are in the V8 series! They think that because they win races they must be good road cars! Well i'm sorry if you think that, because the cars are 100% different!
To make myself clear, i'm not here just saying what i think! This is what I know. I have worked with a lot of new model Holdens and a lot of new model fords Fords! I have even spoken the the designers of the new model Ford that is to be released late this year/early next! I know all the ups and downs of both cars! And I will say again, there are no downs at all regarding the T-Series except the price tag!
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Fri, 12 July 2002 08:25
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will you people start fucking growing up. all I did was mention something about a holden's headlights that look like the preludes lights. I didn't mention one word about ford. Fucking get a life and stop this Holden vs Ford bullshit. It's fucking immature and has got nothing to do whatsoever with the original topic.
If anything, i expected people to start bitching about hondas.
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Fri, 12 July 2002 11:10
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I think that i am to blame for starting this... Whoops... If u want to bitch about hondas, there is another thread concerning major rice... Links to another forum... Farking Funny shit that some ppl come up with... Sorry about starting this Holden vs Ford stuff...  ...
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Fri, 12 July 2002 11:29
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I don't know why this Holden V Ford thing just blew up here???
Coz we all should know that Toyota is the King!!!!
(just ask the Ford driver (AU series "FTE" plates - some tickford badging) about my MA70/1jz thrashing their crap-mobile thru the Hills - in third! 
trying to keep up  - I guess the shopping in the boot must have slowed it down!!
The Holden's are no better - they just look better.
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Sun, 14 July 2002 09:36
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Thats cause Holdens blow goats
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And ford dealers need to hitch a ride because thier falcon's are broken down. 
Chev engines? My holden has a toyota engine. 
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Sun, 14 July 2002 09:44
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the same can be said for the lexcen having a buick engine.
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Sun, 14 July 2002 10:05
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yups - good old buick 3.8
There aint much aussie in the current commodore - yes their produced here - but alot of the tech + designs were sourced from GM's parts bin , and a europeans crayon box ..
Most of the tech in the fords - bar the current windsor 5 litre and tremec gearboxes were made in good old aussieland or sourced from Aussie manufacturers
The old straight six has always been made at geelong as far as i know , and no matter what anyone says - I think its one of the finest straight sixes ever built - and 30 years of refinment have done alot to its quality .. ( along with the JZ series supra motors , the valiant hemi 6's and the BMW m series )
Just wait till that new twin cam version comes out in sept - 4 to 5 psi on the new turbo XR6's is about right - that thing has serious performance tuning abilities and its sure has hell stronger than the nissan GTR's 6 - and youve seen what figures they produce
As another note the auto's in the xr8's and tickfords were picked up by aston martin for their supercars - sio that says something about the strength of product
I know this aint helping the ford V holden debate ending, and for quality - toyota still has the edge - but for the local built big two - i still have to say fords a lot more aussie then the GM and always will be ..
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Sun, 14 July 2002 10:33
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All this talking about Holdens and Fords makes me miss my old Valiant..
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Mon, 15 July 2002 01:37
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Fords, Holdens, what's the difference?! They're only taxi cabs!
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Mon, 15 July 2002 02:40
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heh - i think cressidas are taxicabs in japan aint they ?
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Mon, 15 July 2002 06:44
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Well I wouldn't mind a German taxicab (Mercedes)
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Mon, 15 July 2002 07:04
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To the few or one that was bitching about myself and maybe others being immature, I think your immature yourself! You obviously cant read! If you read the full thread you would of realized that this has been a civilized argument! There was no name calling or the like till you butted in and started running off ya mouth! So to you, FUCK OFF.
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Mon, 15 July 2002 08:26
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This'll be a long one coz it just looks too tempting to leave alone!
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Holdens are very poor quality! Would you put a 1ggte in a TA22 with out upgrading the brakes? Cause this is what Holden basicly do!
And Holdens dont even use Holden made engines! So how can you say that the Holden is a better car than the Ford? If you took the engine away it would be a even more useless peice of crap than it is now.
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HSV do upgrade their brakes. Try 330mm vented discs and depending on the model, 4 spot brake calipers and the list goes on.
Holdens use Chev engines and Holden engines. The V6 was designed by Buick, but is built here. Much like a Ford part is designed in USA or England and made here. The difference is that GM uses different brand names on their parts.
The Chev Gen III is available from the Holden dealership in models that aren't HSV. Try the Calais etc.
Holden Commodore is marketed as a Chev elsewhere (South Africa and Saudi Arabia as a Chevrolet Lumina).
As for being a useless piece of crap and inferior to the T series Ford mmm. Ford is merely trying to play catch-up with the HSV item. The General has the Lions share of the market (no pun intended).
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Anyone that really knows anything about the two cars in question would know what i'm talking about! And I dont mean people that think they know what they are about
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Which are you? one that knows? Or thinks he knows?
If the Holden product is so inferior, why is Peter Floyd whipping all comers in the GT Production series in a 300kw Commondore? Yes the TE 50 thing has rarely even come close.
Larry Perkins won the last race that a 5 litre Holden contested in the V8 supercars. Bathurst 1997 with the VP.
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Just remind me which Holden has/had a chev 305 engine in it ever
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Try the HK Premier. It was fitted with a 5 Litre Chev. Designated a 307.
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How can you call them Ford beaters? The Holdens are not Holdens! And the Fords are not Fords! They are totally different! The body is'nt even the same as the cars you and I would buy! Belive it or not the cars are 2ft wider! The Fords however still use a Ford engine and the Ford Diff!
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They're not 2 ft wider at all. I am convinced that you have not even seen a V8 supercar. They actually notch the rails in the Holdens to fit the rubber under the guard. Apart from that the body maintains its original lines.
The reason that the V8 Supercar governing body allowed Holden to use the Chev is simple. The Ford guys were allowed to use the SVO cylinder heads and Block. This meant that the Ford guys had an unfair advantage. They were allowed access to the United States gear and Holden weren't. They had to let it happen.
Would it suit the Ford boys more to have access to Ford SVO USA racing parts and not allow the Holden boys the same advantage?
The diffs are a replica of a Ford nine inch. And no components in it come from Ford motor company. Most are made By Ron Harrop, and a probably using Auburn gears or similar. The only Ford thing left is the design. Good for Ford.
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If you want to start comparing the HSV with a Ford, you should compare it with one of the T-Series! I know for sure what will come of second best in just about every department! Yes the T-Series is much more expensive but you get a whole lot more!
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Right! Like I said Peter Floyd (300 kw Holden)is beating the Lancer Evos, Subaru STIs and the Ford TE whatever it is, in the GT Production seies.
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Now this is someting you Holden praising people wont be able to comment on!
The T-Series will out do the HSV in every category! Except the price tag of course! But we all know why that is.
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I will refer you back to the GT Production series.
I've read the full argument and I think it is great fun. I like Holdens and I've owned a few.
I still own one.
I avoid driving it whenever I can and I opt for my 1973 HSV eating Corolla anyday.
Cool1, a great argument for the Fords but the Idiots amongst us will drive our Holdens.
PS. my mothers old 1972 HQ wagon came fitted with a Chev LT 1 from the factory and was never defeated from the lights. Us 4 kids waved bye bye to many 351's. The reason that we had that Holden is cos Ford wouldn't build us an XA wagon with the 351 with all the good gear!
May well have been different if they had.
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Mon, 15 July 2002 09:21
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Hmms - Just thinking here - I know that the "shell" is used for the cars but the complete interior is reingineered with different rear wheel tubbing clearances/transmission clearances , the drivers position is centred a little more too ( HRT do this im pretty sure for one ) and the engine bay may have modifications for clearances too .. The front guards are bigger -noticibly so to clear the large wheels and so on
( flared out ) , but by no means 2 ft .. Rear quarters are pumped too i think but not by much ..
The front bumper looks larger because of the way they are designed with ground effects + cooling in mind - But ive seen ex Grp A bumpers fitted on road cars with no lining up issues. Bum bar Ditto
take a run out to DJR and see the machines close up if you want a true idea - or keep an eye on your local Supercheap auto - cause their display car often appears around the weekends a race is on.
yellowrolla is right on many accounts BTW - i agree with alot he;s said
One thing though re the GT production cars though - The 300Kw GTS's have had 2 yrs of development - the te50 is in its first year - so bug are yet to be ironed out .. In time things shall equal out and nods ford ( tickford ) is playing catch up with HSV for the same reason, mainly cause the guys at Ford HQ had no balls to let their technicians get out the heavy gear and tickford didnt want to produce straight line weapons ..
Wheels and Motor have both rated the TE/ts50 a better handling and built package over the HSV clubbie - but it was a tight win
HSV will always beat a ford T series in a straight line , but the ford catches up in braking (thanks brembo finally ) and handling ( IRS in the T Series is a superior Unit + more modern same applies for the double wishbones up front)
personally Id Buy either car as both are good examples of Local performance tuning and overall are a hell of a lot better built compared to their mainstream ( read SS commodore or XR8 )siblings. then again - you get what you pay for
Try comparing a WRX Subaru to its RX underling , Or the Monaro to the GTO and GTS coupes too
All in all Ford and holden are getting better in their upmarket performance cars and the better they build their gear , means more jobs for factory workers locally which means they can go out and Buy RZ supras
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Mon, 15 July 2002 09:58
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Ok maybe i did'nt make myself clear enought!
I am telling you that the front of the XR8 is at least 2ft wider than standard! Grab a tape measure check for your self!
I'm not saying i think it is! I'm saying it is!
I know this cause i first bought a damaged front bumper got it repaired and went to fit it! Problem was the front bumper is massive! Easy fixed i though, so i went and bought 2 damaged gaurds! After drilling new holes in the gaurds i had them bolted on! The problem then was that the gaurds sat out much more than the doors! Ok so i got buy a door And fuck! The hinges are in completely different positions! and the doors are much more curved from top to bottem!
To end the story I sold the front bumper and made all my money back! Poor guy had the same idea as my self 
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Mon, 15 July 2002 10:53
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the 305 and 307 have different bore stroke dimensions.
The 307 bore/stroke is 98.43mm 82.55mm
The 305 bore/stroke 94.89mm 88.39mm
I was wrong they holdens use the 302 in the supercars which is bore/stroke 101.60 76.20
Very revvy compared to the 308 which has almost the exact opposite bore stroke dimensions.
Another think the glorious 308 holden has not been manufactured by holden for over 10 years. They changed to a 304 in the era of vl vn.
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To the few or one that was bitching about myself and maybe others being immature, I think your immature yourself! You obviously cant read! If you read the full thread you would of realized that this has been a civilized argument! There was no name calling or the like till you butted in and started running off ya mouth! So to you, FUCK OFF.
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no you obviously can't read dipshit.
1. this is a toyota forum. Granted, I mentioned holden and honda
2. this thread is about the headlights on the cruze
3. the subject states "Holden Cruze". it does not say anything about "Holden vs. Ford" or "Holden shits over Ford" or vice versa.
4. it may be a civilized argument, but it has got fuck all to do with the original post.
5. i suggest you go to the teeny bopper chat rooms if you want a holden vs ford debate.
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Tue, 16 July 2002 01:24
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Guys, can we stop with the personal attacks? Please refer to the forum rules.
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Tue, 16 July 2002 03:18
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An interesting debate...
Frankly both the Holdens AND Fords are ordinary cars. No ifs, buts or maybes.
They are built, not engineered. Their desingners do...Well, I don't know what they do, but whatever it is, they should do something different!
As for the Touring car races, They are mainly attended by people who either think their stock V6 is similar to the car on the track (which it definitely is NOT) or they wish it was...
As for the engines, the Buick V6 is universally recognised as one of the most unbalanced engines ever produced and the Ford 6's camshaft is apparently held in place by valve-spring tension alone...Fine examples of engineering. Not!
And the V8s...The Ford's dates back to the 60s. The Holden? Are you telling me that GM spent $1 Billion designing a PUSHROD engine? (Say no more)
I used to watch the races in the late 80's - early 90's because they used mostly locally built components and allowed other manufacturers to race. However, when they got thrashed off the track by Nissans and Sierras, they decided it was too much and kicked the (better designed and engineered) competition out...and I, among others, lost interest.
I was initially looking at putting a 1UZ into a VL Calais as my next project. But compared to a similar age Cressida, build quality and specs are W-A-Y apart. Thus my decision to source the Toyota product...
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I must admit to reading a Wheels magazine at the tyrew place yesterday when I noticed Fords "new" 6 cylinder! Wow - it is as modern as tomorrow with it's;
Twin-Overhead-Camshafts - ooohhhh (what an exciting breakthrough)
Turbo - aaahhh (where did this idea come from - it's the future)
But still the same 4.0 litre straight six! Is this the same block they have used for 30 years? The ol' 250 never dies!
Wheels are fascinated with kW tho', all these 300kW Holdens and Fords - but they never say what they put out at the rear wheels?
It seems odd that a 300kW Monaro in a 1600 kg body does slower 1/4 mile (and 0-100km) times than a 210 kW 1jzMA70/JZA-70 (with a 1600 kg body). Is it a traction issue???????? Or do the crank figures mean nothing???
And yes, the Holden Cruze lights look similar to a Prelude.
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1. this is a toyota forum. Granted, I mentioned holden and honda
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The "General Discussion" says the following! Discuss Cars, the Weather, anything.
Maybe this should say anything but Ford/Holden product quality/differences?
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2. this thread is about the headlights on the cruze
3. the subject states "Holden Cruze". it does not say anything about "Holden vs. Ford" or "Holden shits over Ford" or vice versa.
4. it may be a civilized argument, but it has got fuck all to do with the original post.
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5. i suggest you go to the teeny bopper chat rooms if you want a holden vs ford debate.
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What "teeny bopper chat room" do you recommend I go to? You are obviously the one to ask?
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I used to be like all you guys, bitchin about the "Big 2". How shit they were with the gutless, pushrod driven, fuel sucking low revving anchors. Then I realised I was the fool, while I am spending all my energies bitchin', GM and ford are making BILLIONS!!! That's right, carry on all you want but at the end of the day, fords and holdens are a HUGE success, they do exactly what they are supposed to do. They sell. Why they sell doesn't matter, maybe a housewife on a power trip, maybe a yobbo that has had 1 too many beers in his life, maybe just a family that need it to get groceries!!!.
Ford and Holden could build good engines if they wanted to. They just don't have to. They will start building better engines when they are pushed into it, not sooner. They are comming around though, the twin cam fords are evidence of that. Holens and fords sell to well for them to bother with performance applications. For the small sector of the community, where performance and technologycount, there's the japenese market, which I see you are all exploiting.
So there it is, plain and simple. Get over it peoples and drive fast, drive happy and enjoy the RPM that falcadore drivers are missing out on.
Tim.
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Tue, 16 July 2002 12:21
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Amen tim !
Ford and holden are both mass producers of cars primarily built for mum and dad to haul the kids about , for taxi drivers to have something long lasting - reliable and cheap, and for fleet owners to buy up on- and lastly to a lesser extent the tradesmen market who require a ute with a big load capacity
Thats where ford and holden both primarily get their revenue from selling commodores and falcons. Like any maker they have their " performance " arms ( ie FTE and HSV ) and their semi performance models of the mainstrewam bread winners ( ie XR series and the SS's )
Jap car makers have a simialr setup but over here their markets more tuned to small/midsize performance items ( think MR2 celica prelude supra integra WRX) or Small econobox cars that run on the smell of oily rags ( echo corolla mirage lancer etc )
for what ford and holden do - they do it well. they meet the requirements of their *niche* and respond to feedback in time.
theres always gunna be buyers for them - and in rhe aussie market their footings strong enough to guarantee them for a lot longer- not like poor mitsubishi
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Tue, 16 July 2002 12:43
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I think just about everyone has missed the point of the argument!
Stuart, I think you are the only one that looks like you understand!
But just to piss more people off, My ford will last longer than any of the "Super Charged" Holdens 
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Tue, 16 July 2002 13:10
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laffs - well i have a reason . My dad used to work at fords so i still take a lot of interest in them ..
and the likelyhood is ill be owning an Xr6 within 12 months if the insurance folks say no to my GT4 ideas ..
I know a fair but about them and come from a town where every young fella owned either a commodore or a holden Ute , so owning a celica that beat both of them was always fun - and having a falcon to back it up ( parents car ) was even more fun ..
I like being on the other side of the fence ..
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Tue, 16 July 2002 13:23
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forget it. pull your head out of your ass cool1, coz until you do it's not worth arguing about. I can't be stuffed.
p.s. here's an idea. how about you go off and make your own thread about ford and holden and stop hijacking other ppl's threads?
also I too was once a teenager and I know that in the teen chat rooms all they do is bitch about ford and holden. it's pathetic. they're both shit. get over it.
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Tue, 16 July 2002 23:17
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Well that worked
I think I know who cant afFord a brand new Falcon/Holden!
Are you sure your still not a teenager? Cause your acting like one! I never personally insulated you or anyone else in any way! The only reason I can see that your upset is because your life revolves around Holdens?
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Wed, 17 July 2002 02:32
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Haha Cool1, you've made it to the stage of "Forum's junkie"! Are you the one who doesn't have their licence atm? You need to get out more!
Hehe, just having a stir.
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Wed, 17 July 2002 03:13
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Good to see that you can make/have fun just like myself without taking a fence to everything!
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Wed, 17 July 2002 03:41
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Fun isn't it!?
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It sure is! Theres no fun in taking life too seriously is there?
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Good to see that you can make/have fun just like myself without taking a fence to everything!
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why would he take a fence to everything for? must get pretty heavy after a while.
alright look it's not so much that the original thread was filled up with shit, it's that the topic was a holden vs ford thing. that's what I was pissed off about most. I'm sick of people going "my holden/ford is better than your holden/ford". sorry about that post, i was a bit pissed off about that shit.
In answer to your question cool1, yes I'm sure I'm not a teenager. I think the beard gives it away oh and of course my age. I never said you did insult anyone and I'm not interested in Holdens or Fords. If I was to buy a new car, it would be a prelude or supra or something like that. Just because I can or can't afford a car won't change the fact that I still don't like holden or ford.
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Wed, 17 July 2002 04:18
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I just looked at your DOB in your profile. It says 16th October 1982...that would make you 19...which is a teenager!
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