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icon4.gif  7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Mon, 25 August 2003 11:29 Go to next message
taken directly off my cams with a dial gauge

note:

- 0deg is TDC at the top of the powerstroke
- 360deg is TDC at the top of the intake stroke

- lift is about 300thou

- lobe centres (measured as crank angle) are 255deg (EX) and 455deg (IN)

- total duration, as measured @ 10thou (basically what duration the valve experiences once you deduct shim clearances etc) is 255deg for both intake and exhaust. (10thou is the dotted line on the top graph)

- duration @ 50thou lift is something utterly crappy like 150deg

- valve overlap is SFA



http://www4.tpg.com.au/users/loats/toymods/7mcam.1.gif


http://www4.tpg.com.au/users/loats/toymods/7mcam.2.gif



hope this is useful to someone!

cheers
ed

[Updated on: Mon, 25 August 2003 11:33]

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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Mon, 25 August 2003 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cool circle graph. how did you do it? Did you use a program like excel.

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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Mon, 25 August 2003 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
there is no denying it, they are very cool graphs Smile
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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Mon, 25 August 2003 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
purpleminiep wrote on Mon, 25 August 2003 22:09

Cool circle graph. how did you do it? Did you use a program like excel


just whacked it all in excel...

the cirular graph was a stroke of luck - called a radar graph. turns out that when i set the Y axis range to include the dimension of the base circle diameter of the cam, the plot ends up completely (and being dimensionally accurate) representing the exact raw cam data that i collected in the first place - making it graphically representative of the 'actual' cam (excpet it rotates backwards...)
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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Mon, 25 August 2003 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fwiw:

using the specs i plotted above, i just jumped into my dyno software, and by playing with the cam timing as follows:

retarding EX cam 8 deg (now EVO 54.5deg BBDC)
advancing IN cam 6 deg (now IVO 18.5deg BTDC)

resulting lobe centre angle 108deg
valve overlap 39deg
ICA ATDC 109deg
ECA BTDC 107deg

I netted an extra 12hp @ 6500 (difference emerges @ 4500)
and an extra 5ftlbs @ 2500-4000, and 8-10ftlbs from 5500 to 7000

not bad for a nights work Very Happy

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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Mon, 25 August 2003 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok how about a GTE cam???
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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Mon, 25 August 2003 23:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
love your work Ed! Always taking that extra step for the 7M community Laughing

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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Tue, 26 August 2003 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
How did you get the graphs to do a nice smooth curve rather than the staccato point to point straight lines?
Good work.
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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Tue, 26 August 2003 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excel has a couplle of funky features such as "line of best fit", "line smoothing", and the like.....

and cool work ed.

Now do we get to see what those "other" cams are like in comparison?
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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Tue, 26 August 2003 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Some guys look at porn when there bored not Ed hes out with a dial gauge or hanging curtins in his gf's flat when he has spare time

Ed's (Dr Drapes?) the man! Wink
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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Tue, 26 August 2003 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
they look a bit worn.
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Re: 7m Stock Cam Profile... *cool graphs* Tue, 26 August 2003 12:25 Go to previous message
worn??

if youre referring to the hopelessly 'soft' cam uptake slope, thats just toyota's idea of an economical street cam....

the little irregularities in the plot surface are just errors in either cam rotational position, or the dialgauge jerking around a thou or so...

im pretty damn sure theyre not 'worn'

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