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Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 03:29
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Hey,
I am looking to buy a first car,
I wouldn't mind going for a toyota sprinter ae86,
its not because of initial D that i want one,
Its just they really appeal to me as a cheap first car that handles quite well and seems quite fun to drive,
I was considering buying one just stock, with the ordinary carburated engine, i heard a few ppl actually use one of these and actually enjoy the ride.
I am currently driving my dads CS corolla, Performance on it isn't spectacular but its still a fun ride. All i would do to the carburated engine was just a nice exhaust and air filter/cold induction.
But later down on the track I wouldn't mind doing an engine swap to the 4agze, If i went for a 2.25" exhaust now, could i easily use it with the 4agze??? The 4agze will be quite further down the track
how much would i be looking at for a carburated Sprinter in really good condition???
My other option was the CSI corolla. I am still unsure though, i prefer the look and just the feel of a sprinter..
Regards
Adrian
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 03:42
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well your in for a shock then aint you
a stock as a rock sprinter in aust is a rather boring thing to drive, it has 50 odd hp on a good day, shit brakes and shit susp stock.
They are not cheap to modify either... any money spent on the 4 ac is a waste (exhaust does nothing on a non cross flow head)
so.. save some cash and buy a 4age one
or look at something else
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 03:45
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id go a sprinter, as long as you leave it stockish, it won't cost you heaps of money, will cost you the same amount to run as the CSi corrolla,
But problem is now, sprinters are a tad old, and to find a good one, you will need to spend around the 3500 mark, for something that is rust free, a good interoir and a good engine...
If you want the exhaust sound, don't bother spending money on a full exhaust, just get a muffler you'll have that cool sound,
all in all, id say go test drive a few and you'll see what exactly everyone here says, they are expensive buggers,
I've already spent 6k all up, and the driveline and interoir are still stock , but everything else is up to standerd
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 03:56
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If you go with a stock Sprinter for the moment, spend the money on getting it roadworthy first (tyres, alloys, brakes etc) and then if you have some left, suspension!
The exhaust ports are on the other side for a 4AG (correct me if I'm wrong fellas) so you'd be wasting $$$ if you upgrade the exhaust and hope to retain it for later on.
4AGZE would be good but (1) tears up T-50 gearboxes like no tomorrow with sprintly driving and (2) if that doesn't kill you, then insurance will.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 07:36
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get a ke70.
cheap as chips, handle pretty good, rwd, PLENTY of cheap spares, similar to sprinters suspesion/chassis and you can easily put a gze in one. if i had to do it all again id go ke70 cause they are heaps cheaper and people are less likely to knock it off.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 09:27
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Better yet, get an AE71 - I had one before I got my sprinter, originally started doing it up, just ended up with the sprinter by chance, and for some reason did it up instead  The AE71 looks much like a KE70, but at least already has a 4AC/T50 in there, and nearly everything that will fit a Sprinter will fit the AE71 
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 13:13
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| Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Mon, 01 September 2003 13:42 |
(exhaust does nothing on a non cross flow head)
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ay yaaa, where'd you get this from 
so you have to have a crossflow head for an exhaust to make a difference??  bugger, i should trade in my K motor for a zuki 1300 then 
Cya, Stewart
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Mon, 01 September 2003 14:28
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its been said before, and ill say it again..
AE71 - the poor man's sprinter.
I have one. They are hell cheap, hell easy to make a bit faster, make handle better, and generally modify to a better standard.
However, for a first car, the CSi AE92 would be the better option. Especially if you aren't all that empowered with mechanical prowess. As my second car my AE92 CSi was grouse.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 00:09
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Sprinter a sports car? Pffft!
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 00:44
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hey hey enough of the sprinter dissin'
They rock. stock or modded.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 01:15
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Stocka Corollas do nothing for me. However, each to their own I guess!
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 04:42
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 02 September 2003 10:09 |
Sprinter a sports car? Pffft!
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Good point, but is anything from Toyota a sports car......not really
flame away kids
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 05:11
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The Supra is built from the ground up as a sports car... I really don't know what else you'd classify it as. The Sprinter on the other hand is a grocery-getter with "sporty bits" added. You only have to look at the origins of both cars to see they're worlds apart.
That's not to say a Sprinter is a bad thing. A lot of people like grocery-getters! 
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 06:39
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i wouldnt call a supra a purposely built sports car either. isnt it just a celica with flared guards and different engine? ma61 that is. obviously theres more to it than that but its hardly anything inspiring either.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 08:27
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This is fun.
In the case of Toyota - all of them including the MR2 etc etc - the engineers who work on them probably spend some time working on Toyota forklifts as well. Yes the chances are high, and in the case of the Supra this may go some of the way in explaining their weight.
Sporty....just like female hammer throwers!........ 
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 12:47
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ooooo them is fighting words 
When the sprinter first came out it was a sports car for it's time. In fact I think the Insurance companies still class it as such, not that they count.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 13:34
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i agree with evo sti, the ma61 supra is just a celica with a qutoe few sporty bits!! and if you call a celica a sports car, hahahahahahaha, my parents camry wagon has a celica engine, and that is the slowest piece of shit ever!
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Tue, 02 September 2003 23:47
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Yes, the Celica is and always has been a sports car. Once again, I can't think of another category it fits in. Family sedan? Nope. Mini van? Nope. 4WD wagon? Nope. Sure some versions are pretty slow, but I'm calling it a sports car, not a muscle car!
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 00:00
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truenosedan,
If you wanna call the Supra a Celica with some flares tacked on, you obviously don't know squat, maybe you should stick to your Corollas...
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 00:09
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Stock 4AC AE86 is nothing exciting apart from some decent handling. Then you get clowns chopping springs and that gets pissed away too.
Remember, it took a cartoon series to popularize mum's old shopping trolley. The Supra is a classic in its own right.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 00:11
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Lets see what makes a sports car
Handling
Stopping
Going
2 doors
Driver involvement
well lets see.. BOTH the MA61 and the JDM AE86 have that from factory
can we friggen leave it at that?
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 00:16
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Who's comparing the JDM AE86? The dudes talking about a Sprinter fer chrissake...
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 01:45
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JDM 4age ae86 is also known as a sprinter
we all know that the Oz spec ae86;'s are a piece of shit! big deal
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 01:47
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I do believe thats what the dude was asking about.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 02:47
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everyone loves to talk down the ae86
so be it
its like guys in porches like to talk down GT-R's
if it was meant to be a shopping troley they would have marketed it with corolla not sprinter (this is AUS 86 im talking about)
seeing as they had carib and other shopping corollas (ae82 etc etc) i do think it is a semi-sports car, maybe not a sports-racing car like the supra (ie bathurst) but at least half way
agree?
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 02:56
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Proper AE86 I can see as a semi-sports car. I'd put in in the same group as a hot hatch.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 03:11
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a hot hatch?
rightio
why wouldnt a PROPER ae86 be a sports car? hell even the truneo has pop up headlights... just like your shitty vision of a sports car...
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 03:12
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Cos it has no balls!
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 03:18
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and a 5M or whatever powered MA61 does?
hahahahaha
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 03:19
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I like my car, I don't care what anybody says. Except my insurance company, who, being the in the minority of people who actually will insure me, call it a sports car. Take your silly arguements up with NRMA. And since when is a car that in various forms won world rally championchips NOT a sports car? Sure they drive forklifts, but darn it, they are not like one of the world's best manufacturers for nothing. and if they were not sports cars, then why would a Supra be the 'star' of F&F...
ok, i am ranting now.. better stop
as for the rest of your naysaying arguements, you can just visualise me now, hands on ears, "I'm not listening.. la da di da.."
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 07:14
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I'm not going to argue with you, theres no point when I'm not going to change your mind.
The major differences I attribute to the cars is that although, yes, Australia did get jipped with the 5ME, we didn't miss out on the Lotus-tuned suspension and the other engine options, the 5MGE and 1GGEU and MTEU had more than enough power to warrant saying they have balls.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 08:18
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At the end of the day there's no denying the AE86 is based on the Corolla floorpan and mechanicals; that's why I refuse to call it a sports car. Both the Celica and the Supra were designed from day one to be 2-door sports coupes, and they're not based on anything more pedestrian, so that puts them in a completely different class IMO.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 08:59
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Certainly not the modern celica being FWD!
But really I like AE86s and don't feel the need to get all worked up over their status (Just as some believe that if a car has four doors it is a family car), though I do like to stir the hardcore supra fans.
In the past when they were raced at Bathurst they had impressive results. Why is the Supra the star of F&F - because like most things Toyota it's affordable.
You might also find that is why most people are here on these forums
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 09:53
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oooh ohh elitism a little on norbies behalf
ae86 is still a good race car in my opinion
GO 86!
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 12:56
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Hmmm, sports car, or grand tourer what did Toyota market the Supra as.....
I still like them though.
Anyway, details, details who cars about details like pop up lights, how much rotating mass...err camshafts it has, what springs it has blah blah. If you plan on keeping it, get a sprinter, if you just want cheap transport get the AE92 thingy. I reckon the sprinter is a better car because:
a) It's RWD (open for argument but thats what I reckon)
b) If you take all the doors, hatch and any other non load bearing panel off, you still have a bit of a car left. Do that with a 4-door hatch and you realise why they are as heavy as "some popular aussie sedans" and still flex more than a bodybuilder in front of a mirror.
For me changing engines is easy, changing springs, shocks, steering wheels is easy, welding up openings and getting through rego ...not so easy.
Like I said, it depends what is important to you.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 13:36
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OMG what have a created
Hmm...
Witzl u reckon a Stock 4afe CSi would be lots of fun??
How much would I get one for??
I wouldn't mind going the Sedan instead of the hatch, not really sure what to do
I love the look of the sprinters and the fact that they are rear wheel drive.
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Re: Idea for Sprinter
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Wed, 03 September 2003 13:43
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Hey,
i also saw your info about the AE71
They look sweet as i reckon, I seen one dvd of one of these with a 4agze and it flew.
But yeah I am guessing a CSi would be a lot better to get for a first car,
But for some ideas how would u make the AE71 a bit quicker for cheap??
I like em coz they rwd too!
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