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Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Mon, 01 September 2003 13:07
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for a 16v 4age with ae92 block and ae86 head with 288 cams high compression and 20v throttles with adaptor plate and flutes connecting it
ive been told motec for the maximum abount of tuning "points"
but they are like $2200 for an M4 base model
any better options with just as good performance gains?
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Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Mon, 01 September 2003 13:39
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haltech or autronic
both work rather well
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Mon, 01 September 2003 13:54
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best - motec M800
autronic - a little bit less good, but still very good
i have heard good, unsubstantiated but good things about EMS if your are after a low cost system.
best thing to do is find a local, or close workshop you are confident in and comfortable with, then see what computers they like to use.
i'd go autronic if i had the money, but then id turbo if i was going aftermarket management.
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NSW, East Coast
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July 2003
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Mon, 01 September 2003 14:03
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Im with EMP-2TG on this one.
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March 2003
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Mon, 01 September 2003 22:51
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if u maybe eventually want to turbo it then u will need to get a computer that can do throttle mapppin off boost and MAP mappin on boost
most good ones can do it
this is due to the quad throttles
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Mon, 01 September 2003 23:00
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I've run a very similar setup with a Haltech sucessfully.
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Sydney, OZ
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May 2002
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Tue, 02 September 2003 03:44
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Motech for ducks gut's of ECU's, but I'd stick to Autronic when on a budget (SMC) or the new haltechs look very nice too.... they're all much the same these days unless motech is stamped on the box!!
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Melbourne
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April 2003
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Tue, 02 September 2003 04:08
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Autronic would be the go, SMC
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Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Tue, 02 September 2003 06:44
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The best?
As mentioned above, Motec M800, bar none.
A 'plain' M4 Clubman will likely have far more features than you'll need or use though.
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Tue, 02 September 2003 07:54
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so is the m800 better than the m4?
how much is the m800?
is there a lower model than an m4?
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Tue, 02 September 2003 13:42
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| ae86drift wrote on Tue, 02 September 2003 17:54 |
so is the m800 better than the m4?
how much is the m800?
is there a lower model than an m4?
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The M800 has a lot more functions than a base model M4 does.
The M4 is the lowest-sped engine management computer they make these days, and they have been for some time.
Here's the specs for an M4 Pro -
32 Bit Engine Management System
General Microprocessor 32 Bit 33 MHz with Time CO Processor
Quality Standard ISO 9001
Manufacturing Standard IPC-S-815-A Class 3 High Reliability
Warranty 1 year Parts & Labour
Burn In -50 to 70°C for 32 Hrs
ECU Control Software stored in updatable FLASH memory
High RFI Immunity
Low heat generation
Battery transient protection
Environmentally sealed electronics
Water proof connector with gold plated contacts
Case Size 120 x 100 x 36 mm 4.7 x 3.9 x 1.4 inches)
Weight 0.4 kg (14 oz)
Cylinders 1,2,3,4,6,8,12
Engines 2 stroke, 4 stroke, Rotary (1~4), Odd or Even fire
Maximum RPM >15,000 RPM Fuel Calibration
Accuracy 0.00001 seconds
All RPM & Load sites are user programmable
Main Table (3D) 40 RPM sites x 21 Load sites (840 points)
End of Injection (3D) 20 RPM sites x 6 Load sites
Overall Trim ±99 %
Individual Cylinder Trim ±99 %
Individual Cylinder Tables (3D) 20 RPM sites x 11 Load sites
Hi / Lo Injector Balance (3D) 20 RPM sites x 11 Load sites
Hi / Lo End of Injection (3D) 20 RPM sites x 11 Load sites
Eng Temp & Air Temp comps
MAP modifier compensation
Two Auxiliary compensation
Injector Dead Time Compensation
Accel Clamp, Decay & Sensitivity
Deccel Clamp, Decay & Sensitivity
Cold Start
Injection 4 group sequential
User programmable injector current 0.5~12 Amps peak
Battery Comp to suit any injector
Boost Control Calibration
Main Table (3D) 20 RPM sites x 10 Throttle sites or 10 Gear sites
Overall Trim Engine Temp & Air Temp comps
One Auxiliary compensation
Ignition Outputs
Up to 4 Ignition Outputs
One output may drive up to 8 coils using the MoTeC Ignition Expander
Versatile Ignition Interface allows connection to most OEM ignition systems including :
Nissan Multi Coil modules
GM EST DFI systems
FORD EDIS DFI systems
Mazda Rotary DFI modules
Many Others Ignition Calibration
Accuracy 0.25 degrees
All RPM & Load sites are user programmable
Main Table (3D) 40 RPM sites x 21 Load sites (840 points)
Overall Trim ±99 %
Individual Cylinder Trim ±99 %
Individual Cylinder Tables (3D) 20 RPM sites x 11 Load sites
Rotary Split 20 RPM x 11 Load
Eng Temp & Air Temp comps
MAP compensation
Two Auxiliary compensations
Dwell Time 20 RPM x11 Battery
Odd fire engine capability Each Top Dead Centre angle may be specified Resolution 0.5 degree
Trigger Sensors Directly compatible with most OEM trigger systems including :
HALL, Magnetic and Optical types
Multi Tooth (eg Mazda and Toyota)
1 or 2 Missing Teeth (eg Porsche)
Many other special types, eg. Ford Narrow Tooth, Nissan Optical, Harley Davidson Data Logging
Optional Logging memory allows logging of all ECU parameters
Memory Size 512 KByte
Logging Rate 1~20 sets / sec
Logging Time 38 minutes at 5 sets / sec (28 Parameters+Diags)
PC Software is available for analysis of the logged data
Air Fuel Ratio Sensor
High accuracy Wide Band Air Fuel Ratio Sensor Input (Optional)
Range 0.75 to 1.20 Lambda
Resolution 0.01 Lambda
Accuracy 1.5% (below 1.05 La) Other Sensors Throttle Pos, Manifold Pressure, Engine Temp & Air Temp
2 Auxiliary Sensor inputs
2 Digital / Speed Inputs
Special Functions Traction Control & Launch Control (2 wheel speed sensors)(or 4 sensors using the MoTeC TC Mux)
Gear Change Ignition Cut
Wide Band or Narrow Band Air Fuel Ratio Control (3D mapped)
Over Run Boost Enhancement
Warning Alarms (Sensor HI / LO)
Gear Detection
Ground Speed Limiting
Dual RPM Limit
Nitrous Oxide Enrich / Retard
Air Conditioner Request
Over Run Fuel Cut
Sensor Calibration Tables
RPM Limit Hard or Soft Cut Fuel and / or Ignition CutAuxiliary
Outputs Four general purpose outputs (3 shared with ignition outputs)
The outputs may be used for :
Turbo Wastegate Control
Idle Speed Control
Fuel Used Pulse
Tacho Output
Shift Light (Gear Dependent)
Driver Warning Alarm
RPM / Load dependant device
User Defined Table (20x11) with definable axis parameters :
Slip Warning
Fuel Pump Relay
Thermatic Fan
Air Conditioner Fan or Clutch
Diagnostics
Injectors Open Circuit, Short Circuit, Peak Current Not Reached
Sensors Open & Short circuit
Operating Errors RPM Limit Exceeded, Injector Overduty, Over Boost, Low Battery, REF Error etc. Operating Conditions Internal Temp Range -10~85°C
Ambient Temp -10~70°C (Depending on load & ventilation)
Operating Voltage 6~22V DC
Operating Current 0.4 A max
Reverse Battery External Fuse
Calibration PC Software is available for calibration (See separate brochure) Telemetry Link
Optional Telemetry Link allows real time monitoring and data logging
That good enough?
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Wed, 03 September 2003 04:38
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Apparently there is an M400 due for release in the near future.
That said an M4 would be more than adequate. The other little things that need to be mentioned are the availablity of free software upgrades and the rather large support network for these ECUs.
You have spent (or are about to spend) all this money on your NA motor - why do you want to run it with a pocket calculator?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Wed, 03 September 2003 07:40
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i dont quite understand what your getting at GT.. 
a motec is a pocket calculator?? err *confused*
i quite prepared to spend the money on a good ECU, i think ive made this clear, just wondering what the best, tested setup is?
err??
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Wed, 03 September 2003 07:49
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Sorry, no slur intended . I was just making a general point that people spend insane amounts of money building up some rocket sled and then they run it with a poxy ECU. It's not really making the full potential of the build.
If I were you, I'd just get an M4 Pro. It is worth every cent.
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Wed, 03 September 2003 09:46
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done deal
thx people
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Newcastle
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May 2002
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Wed, 03 September 2003 12:15
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Yeah, get the M4 PRO if you can afford it, or the M4 clubman is still pretty good but if you are on a budget and are thinking of geting the basic M4 then I would look around a bit more. In my opinion the M4 is a bit ordinary for the price. N.B. the "specs" that Bill put up are for the M4 PRO not the "basic" M4, just so you know.
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Wed, 03 September 2003 14:50
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Hi Mate,
Yes Motec is excellent, if you have the money. I use and recommend Haltech. I have fitted an E6K to Luke's TA22 which has a 4a-gze block, 20v head with quad throttles, RX7 turbo, and direct fire ignition and runs perfectly.
The E6K has been superceded by the new E6X, the X will control sequential injection, direct fire, closed loop idle control, plus 4 auxiliary outputs for things such as thermo, shift light, electronic boost control, nos, anti-lag etc... it will use your stock toyota crank sensor too.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Regards
Adam Neish
Just Engine Management
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Re: Best ECU for Hybrid 4age with quad throttle bodies
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Wed, 03 September 2003 21:57
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Converting from the Clubman to the Pro is just a matter of spending some extra money and getting the Pro feature enabled. The units themselves are pretty much identical (I think - please correct me if I am wrong). If you are on a budget, get the Clubman, and when you are flushed with more cash, just get the Pro features enabled.
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