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pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:03 Go to next message
hey ppls,

Ok so i have to early 18rgs... both have different solex carbies, can anyone tell me the differences between these carbies in the pictures.

any info would be good... are one of them off a newer model?

cheers

www.geocities.com/qaz_3050/bluecarbies.jpg

www.geocities.com/qaz_3050/greencarbies.jpg

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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
your links arent working
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message

oh bugga.... works for me Razz

they are at http://www.geocities.com/qaz_3050/bluecarbies.jpg

and http://www.geocities.com/qaz_3050/greencarbies.jpg

try those...
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message

ok so i cant link to images directly....


try this.... http://www.geocities.com/qaz_3050/



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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Those little red x's are very pretty. They look the same! Razz
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yes, the red X's are definitely identical. Razz
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message

yes yes the x's are identical Smile

...ok so go to this link http://www.geocities.com/qaz_3050/ .. dont tell that doesn't work...pls Smile

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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It dont work!!!
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what error are u getting????
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I'm getting the Geoshitties blows goats error!
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
so your tellin me that

www.geocities.com/qaz_3050/index.html

does not load...ok, oh i give up... works in my browser... and so do the links directly to the images. It must be too late for this shit...

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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Tue, 09 September 2003 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok I can see one of the pics, they look like the older style carbs that have the removable inner sleeve, with the sleeve in they are 40mm with the sleeve out they are 48mm Smile.

I have had 3 different versions of the solexs, the next step up from those ones no longer have a removable inner and they have a different top. as far as performance goes i really couldnt tell you what will be best but id look at it this way. A later version will have had changes made by the manufacturer to improve the carb not make it worse.

heres a pic of the older style which ill be usuing on the new engine

http://ira11y.qnix.com.au/Engine%20045.jpg

theres a thread on my car here.....

IRA11Y

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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Wed, 10 September 2003 01:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The blue celica has the newer style carbies, due to the balance tube that is on that engine I would be guessing that that is a 88250 - 88253 head.
The green celica has the earlier model carbies, from looking at the throttle linkage position I would be guessing that this is a 88210 - 88230 head.

(if these engines are in their complete original condition , part wise)

Am I right?

For preferences:

For most power, here's what I'd do:

for a powerful motor the early carbies should flow more (32mm venturi) than the newer ones (31mm venturi) and should be jetted to suit that size venturi from the factory (some adjustment may be needed though)

THe cams from the 88210 - 88230 are better for more power at higher revs while the head from the later motor has better ports and bigger valves.

The pistons from the early model are better than the later model.


So if you want one really powerful 18rg and one daily driver then do this.

powerful one:

old pistons
old carbies
old cams
new head (might as well port it while it's off)

daily driver:

new pistons
new carbies (much nicer when engine is cold than the older ones)
new cams (max power down lower, with good bottom end torque)
old head

if you don't want to swap parts over other than the carbies, I would avoid it, the 88210 - 88230 engine should be quicker as is, and the carbies from that one have been ready jetted for the bigger cams from the fatory.
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Wed, 10 September 2003 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thanks steve,

the carbies on the blue celica cant be original then since it has an 88210 head. The green one has an 88230 head.

so i guess the carbies and balance tube are off a newer 18rg... is this like the 18rgu?...or something else

they both have high comp. pistons and the blue one has been bored out a little (not sure on figures) i bought the blue one the other day and i have a bunch of receipts for work on the block. the blue one tends to have a dead spot if you accelerate too hard off idle.

the 18rg in the green celica doesn't have this dead spot at all and runs sweet.

since the blue celica engine has been bored out would this mean it might be running a little lean?

maybe i should put the older carbies on the blue celica engine since they have the bigger venturi.

anyway i think ill start by tuning them up a bit, idle mixture probably screwed on the blue one.

thanks for your input... and at least someone knows how to cut'n'paste the link to the images.

cheers
Chris



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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Wed, 10 September 2003 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yes, the carbies on the blue one are definately replcement ones, they are of an 18rgu.

You've probably got the whole manifold set from a 88251 or something like that.

The dead spot is almost certainly be from the accelleration pumps. The new carbies have really poorly set up accelleration pumps. You'll need to take out the split pin on the pump push rods and stick about four small machine washers under the existing washer on each carbie to make them work.

add or remove a washer until the pumps spray for 1.1 seconds (.8 is not enough), the more washers, the less time it sprays for.

(there is room for adjustment of the accelleration pumps made into the design of the carbie, but that takes f@*cking ages to get right and is really fiddly.

Give this a go and see how it works, RA28 midge was recently told by a "expert" on these engines to get his carbies rebuilt because the accelleration pumps didn't work, this is the problem he had, and no amount of rebuilding would have fixed that, but five munutes and eight machine washers later, they were working better than they ever had.
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Wed, 10 September 2003 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message

ah thanks, i bet that is what is wrong with the carbies. I think i will swap them and do that trick with the washers u mentioned aswell. This way il have the bigger venturi ones on the engine i want to keep.

also the green celica engine has a breather pipe off the side of the block and it goes into the intake manifold somewhere.

on the blue one this pipe isn't connected, and i cant see where it should be connected. There doesn't seem to be a spot on this manifold to connect the pipe.

any ideas?

thanks again
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Wed, 10 September 2003 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
can i take the sleaves out of my carbies on my 2tg?
i know they come out but will it make it run like crap?
or just change some jets to get it all working again?
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Re: pics of solexes... preference?? Wed, 10 September 2003 23:29 Go to previous message
THe breather pipe from the cam cover is supposed to go to the air cleaner.
The breather hose from the block goes to a tube pointing down from the cast balance tube, or to a different tube pointing down from the rubber/metal tube balance tube.

If your cars have mismatched barbies and stuff, then it is likely that you'll just have to blank this tube off.

NOTE:
If you do this, you must leave your cam cover breather able to breathe freely, otherwise you will blow your dip stick out of the block like we did and get oil ALL OVER THE PLACE.
Attaching your cam cover to the air cleaner still allows this to work.
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