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Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Fri, 12 September 2003 15:49
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Hey guys,
Who out there has done more than swerve to avoid a situation, eg. handbrake technique or someother form of move.
i was at a friends private property.. which was like a dusty road from the gate to his house.. was turning right flicked the hand brake up and back down to normal position while straightening the wheel i think and delayed 180 action suprised me. this was at speeds of 20kms. i've heard of this technique before to be used only for emergencies. but like what? if you are going faster wouldn't you end up in circles?
this was done on a private property. dirt road and fwd.
and i guess drive train layout doesn't affect much when the handbrake is used? becuase the rear would probably swing out anyway?
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Fri, 12 September 2003 23:26
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| xfader wrote on Sat, 13 September 2003 01:49 |
and i guess drive train layout doesn't affect much when the handbrake is used? becuase the rear would probably swing out anyway?
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almost true
the diff at the rear of a ...wait u guessed it....RWD...DOES help a bit with traction
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Sat, 13 September 2003 00:37
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Handbrake turns are basically used to decrease the radius of the turn. As you turn into the corner, apply the handbrake, this will break the traction on the rear (at this point you should make sure your handbrake works on the rear brakes, not the front like some european cars!!!) in the direction of travel and allow the rear to slide out. As the car comes out of the corner you apply throttle to stop the slide and help pull the car out of the corner in a straight line!
Forget to throttle out of the corner hey?!!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Sat, 13 September 2003 01:51
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yep
gotta use throttle to control it (how much depends on how far the arse of your car is sliding out)
also, if it's a faster corner, you possibly have to use some opposite lock steering to control it (which puts the car into more of a power slide, rather than a spin)
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Sat, 13 September 2003 13:02
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Generally speaking you only use the handbrake from about 80km/h and under (although at 60-80km/h it's usually just so you can spin the car right around, and it's a little risky) - or in the case of an emergency "hockey stop".
You can use handbrakes for a few things, there are a few pointers - but there's no perfect method for using the handbrake.
Here are some tips from a weak attempt at a driver 
1. Try to have your braking 'finished' when you apply the handbrake. (If entering a corner from high speed)
2. Try not to use the foot brake as the car starts it's slide. This will cause the rear end to most likely lock up (simply from rear brake bias), and step further away from control.
3. Generally, I'm already pulling the steering wheel in the opposite direction to the corner as I'm pulling the handbrake up.
4. The handbrake should only be used momentarily, just a short fraction of a second - unless you are in a serious emergency and are doing a 'hockey stop'.
Don't use the handbrake too often. There are very *very* few road cars with a hydraulic handbrake (I'm not sure if it's even legal) - this means you have a cable operated handbrake, which will stretch, and if you practise it too much, it might just snap in that 'emergency situation' you are preparing for
I've had a couple of cables snap on me, but that's just because I did too much tooling around that I didn't need to do (that and my brother once or twice left it on a fraction whilst driving or after attempting the aforementioned handbrake cornering).
Ultimately, the handbrake isn't even a very effective method. Cornering is best off done with either left foot braking, or a scandinavian flick (don't ask). I don't think using the handbrake could solve alot of emergency situations in everyday driving (usually a combination of plain old braking and steering does the trick) - it's really only of common use on the rally tracks when you want to slide the car to hit a stationary object on the co-driver's side (har har).
Also - from a rally/racer perspective.
a) Using the handbrake means you probably are off the racing line
b) You probably are washing off speed on too high a tire slip angle rather than going faster than a car that is cornering in a less flamboyant fashion
The reason you have to apply so much throttle when you use the handbrake to corner is because the car needs to be pulled back onto a reasonable line, which means it's energy (power) is going to work in a direction not parallel with the way the car is travelling, meaning - it's inefficient (slow).
Of course, going inefficiently sideways will always be more fun
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Sun, 14 September 2003 12:53
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i did a beauty a couple nights ago on an extremely narrow dirt road (in a lancruiser)........handbrake is fucked so coming out of a curvy 90 degree corner sideways i exagerate a bit of a fishtail for 50 metres or so then stab the brakes to really hang on the last slide.........the car like holds sideways for a long time then i down-shift to second and with clutch in i correct the slide so that the car is snapping out of slide to straigt ahead.......then i wrench the wheel towards the way the car is coming back to (ie push the back out further) and now i drop the clutch which does a compression lock-up and the car starts to swing around (we have slowed to about 30 ks now) more steering in the left direction and then foot flat and a double clutch to get the revs up and the 3 tonne beast is heading sideways on the way out of the 180 back in the other direction towards the corners with a couple snakey's thrown in to impress my mate....
this was all done at relatively slowish speed on private property so.....
p.s. the gravel for this narrow gravel driveway type thing had only just been laid so it was like driving on marbles...
dont go thinking any driver in a landcruiser could do that shyt on rolled down gravel
P.P.S. mate luved it and im proud as punch coz it was fuckn perfect...........wish i had a video camera
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Mon, 15 September 2003 02:26
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how about this:
when your coming up to a corner in the wet or dry get to the speed you want to go in to the turn at, put your clutch in give a nice rev drop the clutch hello spinage
it's best to do it in the wet or you'll hurt your driveline and your tread.
most of you will know this so i'll shut up now 
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Mon, 15 September 2003 03:16
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How about this:
Come into the corner and have the car balanced perfectly front and back.
If you want to oversteer, press the accelerator lightly...
If you want to tuck the nose in, lift your toes...
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Northside Brisbane, Queen...
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September 2003
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Wed, 17 September 2003 05:17
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how bout you slow down to a speed in which you can comfortably go around the corner, then accelerate gently out of the corner and continue up to the speed limit 
I use this style in pretty much for 95% of all my cornering, and also if i'm turning into another street, i like to use the corresponding indicator
But thats just me
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Wed, 17 September 2003 05:21
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I like just seeing if I can leave the cruise control on while I go around corners.
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Wed, 17 September 2003 05:57
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with it set to 100kph, around 90 degree corners
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Mon, 29 September 2003 03:20
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| xfader wrote on Sat, 13 September 2003 01:49 |
and i guess drive train layout doesn't affect much when the handbrake is used? becuase the rear would probably swing out anyway?
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fwd = pull the hand brake on any old time
rwd = make sure the clutch is in when you do a handbrakie, or the car will stall
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Mon, 29 September 2003 10:16
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Why destroy the handbrake cable?
FWD:
I've been practising slamming on the brakes, (don't lock up), as I'm in the middle of turning the corner, (slides the rear out), then point the front wheels where you want to be going and give it heaps of loud to haul itself where you want it to go.
It's a brilliant rush around the roundabouts. Two lane ones are great for this when there are no other cars around and you can use both lanes.
All this is at low speeds, <40. But it's a great experience. I'd only attempt higher speeds on a skidpan or track.
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Re: Driving techniques & Manouvers
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Mon, 29 September 2003 11:12
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Hehehe... I do that all the time... I spin so many times though... I class it as fun and games though...
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