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engines in RA28
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Tue, 16 September 2003 13:24
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I'm researching what I can do to my RA28 as far as engine conversions.
Picture this:
1. I have endless money.
2. I have an empty engine bay
3. I have a worked 18R-GEU
I'm comparing 1J's vs. 18R-GEU (na or turbo or s/c) vs. 4agze vs. 3sge (beams) vs. 3sgte vs. 1ggte
The easiest way is to go 18RGEU for installation, handling I assume would be similar to stock 18r
The 1J is far too heavy, and a barstard to fit so it got the flick early.
but I can't find any specs on the 3S's as far as weight compared to standard but can achive 150 rwkw and be reliable
And can the 4agze's be built to 150 rwkw and still be reliable, streetable as a daily driver.
1ggte seem to be the general way to go but I would like to stay 4 cylnder.
BEAMS 3g-se I have no idea about installing (clearances to steering etc) keeping in mid that me and welders shouldn't be in the same room.
My question firstly is on handling for the diffrent engines
and the weights of the engines
and secondly how much modification would be required to fit a BEAMS 3GSE as this currently appeals to me.
thirdly would any of you fine people like to assist me in any welding that I would otherwise f#%k up.  
I'm aiming to get a reliable daily driver with around 150rwkw
and in the planning stage (now) I'm looking at all options and eliminating down to a final setup.
Cheers
Simon.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 00:10
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Endless money?
3S-GTE or turboed 1UZ-FE.
BEAMS II 3S-GE is an option if you're building a track car.
1G-GTE and 3S-GTE would prolly be the lightest engines followed by the turbo 1UZ.
1G-GTE @ 14psi will give you 150kW.
Same with the 3S-GTE.
HKSPete's 1UZ-FE made close to 150kW too with just an ECU change and a few breathing mods.
You don't need much work to get 150kW from these engines.
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 00:18
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If all you want is 150rwkw, drop in a gen 3 1G-GTE, good cooler and exhaust and run it at 14psi. It is a pretty straight forward conversion that has been done many times before. The engine is very tractable down low (easy to drive sensibly) and gives you the power you want with standard engine management.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 03:19
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Nark,
Endless money, meaning at the moment I'm planning what I'm going to do to acheive the best results based on my target of 150rwkw. At this stage money is irrelavent until I have a setup in mind that will acheive my target. Then I'll look at dollars and cents.
The BEAMS 3S-GE Why a track setup?
3S-GTE - MR2 engine around early to mid 90's??
18Rgeu seems to be a non-event??
Gold28 - Your biast. But your right a 1G-GTE is probably the best solution but I want to check 4 clynder options first.
I'll more than likly be using an aftermarket computer as well (autronic)
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 03:31
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Whats wrong with a 6??? Drive one and see the difference.
If you really want a track car, a 3S would get the power you want and would allow you to get the cg a bit further back, might make a few percent difference in the weight distribution.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 03:59
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Nothings wrong with a 6 (esp. twin turbo six!)
Is your car on the road?? 
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May 2002
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 04:33
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I think Nark suggested the non-turbo 3S-GE for a track car because a turbo engine will bump you up into a different class where you'll be competing against purpose-built turbo monsters. For an amateur track racer you're better off with a built atmo engine.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 04:37
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Norbie, Good point. (Nark too) 
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 05:01
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Oh yeah, if you want a 3S-GTE, aim for a 94+.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 16:52
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Gold28,
I am planning a 1g conv as well and am also aiming for 150rwkw, so when u say "good cooler" will the standard GA70 fmic not be enough... what size would you recommend to run 14psi and 150rwkw reliably, and have any what sort of boost controller do u fellas use?? and with the exhaust, do u run twin dump pipes or the standard y pipe.
If not, what sort of gains will i get from twin pipes on a 1g??
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Re: engines in RA28
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Wed, 17 September 2003 23:25
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From what I remember, Darren was running the stock i/c.
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Location:
Oakland, California USA
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August 2003
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August 2002
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 00:17
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150rwkw is very doable with a 1G. My gen2 is running at 10psi (gen3's use 11psi as standard), has standard GA70 intercooler and 2.5in mandrel exhaust including a muffler. It puts out 120rwkw.
A better intercooler will give you less of a pressure drop, meaning that you can get the boost you want at the inlet without pushing the turbo's any harder than necessary.
Most people use a 3in straight through exhaust, but I like my cars a bit on the quiet side. Mine is a daily driver. Apparently bigger exhaust on a turbo car gives better power and turbo spool up. I guess it all depends on what your after.
Custom Y pipes from what I am told is very difficult on these motors because of how close the turbo's sit. If you figure out how to do one, I am sure a lot of people would be very interested. I know they make good gains on a 1JZ.
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Location:
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August 2002
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 00:40
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Gold28 are you using standard ecu or after market?
still looks like the 1g is the way to go
sr20det in a celica 
1/2jz in a r34 
looking at the yellow celi would the beams 3s involve that much work to the firewall in an ra23/28?
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 01:15
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I understand the nisaan + toy hybrids aren't everybodies cup of tea, but the amount of work done to get it right is respectable in my book..
As for the beams in to celly: from what I was told was that (for racing) the 3sge in celica would upset balance if it were to be placed in stock location (using 4ag motor mounts).. It was either upset balance OR improve balance (by pushing back a little). So now an engine brace is being fab'd (maybe) to hold the motor in place, and mounts (i dont know which ones right now) will secure the motor. The firewall was cut for the tranny too. The six speed is pretty big 
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August 2003
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 01:59
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What about a turboed 18R-GEU motor? That would be the easiest to fit, and I'm sure that 150kw would be obtainable. Would a 1G-GTE be cheaper when trying to obtain 150kw?
Cheers,
Tim
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 02:09
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I understand the nisaan + toy hybrids aren't everybodies cup of tea, but the amount of work done to get it right is respectable in my book..
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I agree whole hearted. I admire the work done and I haven't seen it done here. But I'm a toy fan and won't stray from the toyota stable when looking at options (I've only recently moved out of the 18R stable!)
Is the Stock location in the bay of a ta22 (ra20??)
any different to an RA28 (RA29 u.s.??) as far as balance is concerned?
As far as I know there aren't any 6 speed celicas on the road, and only thetoymans (Rods) in progress (which I'd like to have a look at the progress thus far(nudge Rod)) and no BEAMS in a celica yet this is why I'm looking at this option, It's different.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 02:13
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Tim ,
Also an option (esp since I've got an n/a 18R-GEU) but I'm new to turbos and the work involved in fabrcating parts would be trial and error, error being somthing I'm trying to minimise.
Also I'd like a newer engine.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 06:25
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stock management.
Bang for buck, the 1G is going to be cheaper and more reliable. It would cost you more than a 1G cut to get an 18RG pushing out 15kw with the same reliability and drivability of a 1G.
The ta22 bay is shorter than the RA bays. It makes putting in a 1G a big challenge but I wouldn't hav thought a 3S would be any harder.
A TA22 is shorter and lighter than he RA23/28. All other things being equal it should provide for better agility. I think the RA front end was somewhat refined over the TA one though.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 06:28
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Yes, the RA2x front end is superior to the TA22, so you should keep that in mind if handling is a concern. Also note that the weight difference between the two isn't much once they have the same engine and drivetrain.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 06:31
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Gold28,
did you get a front cut or an engine package
and how hard is it to find a manual?
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 06:35
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Norbie, couldn't agree more. The 18R is a fair lump though.
Lambo, got my car already converted. 1G cuts arn't hard to come by, check out any of the fast 4's type mags, there is usually 3 or 4 importers trying to offload them. I have seen engines going for $500, no box or computer though. I think the going rate for a 1/2cut is around the 2k mark.
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 06:41
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I've done some searching on the net and could only find autos, and the importer I spoke to was going to charge an arm and a leg for a gearbox,
are u running autoo or man.?
if manual is it origonal ie. form a soarer or is it a celica box with custom housing?
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Re: engines in RA28
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Thu, 18 September 2003 21:32
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Mine is a manual. It is a supra box, ie came with the GA70 cut. Keep looking, they are not too hard to find. If not keep an eye on the for sale section on this site. They pop up every now and then.
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