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costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Mon, 22 September 2003 11:47
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i have a 18RGU in my car now, ,how much to go to a 18RGEU turbo, either converting my existing engine or getting a 18RGEU and turboing that one in my garage then do a weekend swap,
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Perth
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September 2003
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Mon, 22 September 2003 12:02
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how long is a piece of string dude?
if you are talking about a stock standard 18RG turbo then
1- good luck finding one at the wreckers, you'd be better off posting on this site and hoping someone has one lying around and then freight it home only to find that...
2- it'll need a rebuild if it's a stocker, i sure as hell wouldn't trust an almost 20yo engine in a new project in which case...
3- why not rebuild your atmo 18RG to turbo specs (i don't *think* the blocks are different...can anyone help me there?), but then you'd have spent so much money why not
4- convert to a newer engine that you don't have to rebuild, like a 4AG. you'd prob get better driveability and dare i say power out of an unopened 4AGZE with a GT2530 and about 12psi of boost, or you could go the 3SGTE route with a w-series 5spd if you have a bit more cash.
workshops all charge differently, but i'd have to ask what car it was going into (if it's a KE10 corolla then forget it!!).
if it's a celica or corona then i'd say expect a minimum of $8k all up, that with you fitting the engine and someone else dynotuning it with a aftermarket comp.
anything else and the sky is the limit.
good luck dude and post some pics if you get it off the ground. 
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Mon, 22 September 2003 13:03
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well your costs can be broken down into these sections:
1/ Engine $300-20000
2/ EFI gear $50-1000
3/ Engine internal mods $0-10000
4/ Turbo $0-10000
5/ Fixed cost items (exhaust, fuel supply, etc)
6/ ECU $200-10000
Now everything above here, except item 5. can have a varying cost depending on what you buy/use, where u buy it from and how lucky you are!
Myself i paid nearly $700 to get all the EFI gear that i wanted (more than needed really, but im a hoarder)... and im yet to step into the other sections yet.
Think about what you want to achieve from the motor first, then think exactly how, then talk to an expert for advice, then start pricing parts to make your goals reality.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Mon, 22 September 2003 13:10
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whoa onejayzed what the? 18rg's never came as turbos to start with so I think the chances of finding a stock one are the same as rocking horse shit.
Also I imagine that he would like to stick with the 18rg because it means he doesn't have to stuff around with engine mounts or gearboxes! (as he already has it all sorted).
Depends how much you can get done on the cheap man (you've got a few contacts so prbly a fair bit  ). You'll need a manifold (say $200 or cheaper if you, or someone can make / weld it), turbo.. $500?, intercooler $300, piping....tuning (carbs urgh  )
Also with carbs you have to decide if you want a blow through or suck through setup....I'd look at converting the current motor to EFI (I think there have been threads on it b4, regarding using 22re ECU etc?), and then going turbo later?
If you could do it cheaply then in my opinion you could also do a 1G-GTE swap cheaply as well! All food for thought. 
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Mon, 22 September 2003 13:15
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yer, I'd be tempted by ditching the 18r-g and getting a 1g-gte
if you must go 18r-g, I'd *definitly* do the efi setup at the same time - save big hassles with tuning etc
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 00:02
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Funny how all these 18R-G threads always end in 1G being the best way to go...
DAMN YOU PEOPLE....I want one. 
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 00:23
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No such thing as a weekend swap when installing a turbo, especially if you're converting to EFI at the same time. Getting an 18RGEU and having it ready would save a whole lot of time though, however it might not be the cheapeast option.
I converted my 18RGEU to a turbo last year, i'll give you a brief rundown on what it cost me. I already had all the efi pumps and extras though. Always fun if you have to run a return fuel line
Turbo: T03 Swapped for my old fuel computer, approx: $300
ECU: $1400 (With Ignition and Quad coils, you mightn't want to go that far)
Custom turbo manifold and 3" exhaust: $1000
O-Ringing the Block: $1000
Copper Head Gasket: $120
Rx-7 550cc Injectors: $340
Intercooler: $300 (Depends what you want or who you know)
Blow-off Valve: $100 (Second Hand)
Intercooler Piping: $100 (This figure would vary a bit )
Hoses and Clamps: $150
Air filter: $120
3 Core radiator: $300
Braided oil line: $100
Oil return fitted to the sump: $150 (Could do that yourself though)
Gaskets: $50
Custom made Crank Angle Sensor: $170
Tuning: $1000 (Had it back a few times )
I've probably forgotten something, but that's around $6700. You could easily add $300 on for extras. So around $7000.
I did pracically all the work myself, i just couldn't get it to run right. Found out i had a bung injector. But that should be an ok guide, it might cost you less depending on what parts you already have or if you can get some of the work done cheap.
Let me know if you want any pics of my setup.
Clancey
[Updated on: Tue, 23 September 2003 00:24]
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 00:26
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Oh and i wouldn't bother going turbo without EFI, unless you could get one of those HKS carbied kits. But then i still wouldn't bother
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 00:30
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clancey what power did ya end up getting??
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 01:02
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18R clutches aren't very big, so I'd be using a button clutch with as much clamp as you can manage. Have a chat with the blokes at Direct Clutch, they'll be able to put something together for you.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 01:11
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Thanks, I'll give them a go
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 01:14
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Ditto...
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 02:59
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Don't forget for those that are financial members, PITWATER BRAKE AND CLUTCH is one of our sponsors and they give us trade prices
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 08:38
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ok, let me set a few things straight, i have a fair bit of knowledge in the auto industry, so i would most probably be able to 95% of it my self {i dont have a mandrel bender} 
I WILL NOT be going carby, thats why i wanna go turbo and efi cause my carbs SUCK.
i also work in the motor industry and get EVERYTHING trade price, like my mates at petro-ject, my mate owns a injector company, my dad owns a speed shop in townsville, ect ect
i can do lots of shit my self, cant weld a manifold tho.
i was looking at using a haltech or similar fuel only computer, and converting my dizzy to electronic.
then again full fuel and ingition setup sounds good for that price too.
none of this o-ringing the block shit i only wanna {currently} run 12psi or so {hi} and maybe 7-8 psi on low.
my sisters gonna upgrade the cooler on her RVR next year so i may be able go get her old one {EVO Cooler}.
1GGTE would be fly but i {for some reason un-be-known to me} wanna stay 4 cyl.
{waits for 1G lovers to flood me with hate pm's}
i know the BFYB is better, but how many quick RG's are around nowadays.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 11:25
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Wish i had your connections, sounds like you should be able to pull it up pretty cheap.
Not getting the block o-ringed is fine as long as you want to run a standard gasket, don't be fooled into thinking you can get a metal one to seal without it because that is just not going to happen on this plane of existance.
Have Fun
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 11:26
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Also let me know if you need an electronic dizzy, because i've got one complete with coil and igniter.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 11:55
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I found a 1ggte full engine package and auto for $1000 from a melbourne toyota wrecker. - didnt buy it tho (too small for a mx62)
I think compared to a 18rgte it would affect your handling only marginally and for the price difference it is a major consideration.
I think even if you could do it cheap it would never be as good as the 1ggte with its 4v head.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 13:17
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I'm curious about an 1ggte conversion because it's something i didn't consider when i did mine.
How much would it cost approximately to fit an 1ggte? How easily can you squeeze more power out of it, as the standard hp figure isn't that impressive.
I'm also curious about how much difference the 4v head would make with forced induction.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Tue, 23 September 2003 13:35
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| clancey wrote on Tue, 23 September 2003 21:26 |
Also let me know if you need an electronic dizzy, because i've got one complete with coil and igniter.
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This will work with a carby engine yes? If so I'm interested pm me an asking price plz...
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Wed, 24 September 2003 00:24
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I can understand wanting to stay with a 4 banger, your not alone there. I for one am a inline 6 fan, but I guess that stems from a few good 6 pot cars and many crap 4 cylinders.
Nothing particularly wrong with doing the 18R-GTE. I think the common opinion is that it is just a lot of time and money when there is many other options available to you. The 2 valve head on the 18R-G ain't too bad. It has good size ports and valves and should respond quite well to forced induction if you choose to go that way. There is no reason why you couldn't get more power than a stock 1G. It's just going to cost a bit.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Wed, 24 September 2003 02:33
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It's pretty simple really. If you want to experiment and have fun building up an engine, go the turbo 18R-G. If you just want lots of power with minimum fuss, go the 1G. Horses for courses!
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Wed, 24 September 2003 03:07
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 24 September 2003 12:33 |
It's pretty simple really. If you want to experiment and have fun building up an engine, go the turbo 18R-G. If you just want lots of power with minimum fuss, go the 1G. Horses for courses!
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Well said Norbie! but i seem to remember someone shit caning my ct-20 on an 18R-c idea, just for shits and giggles a long time ago!
1G in an rt-104 is VERY tight so sticking with ye ol' 18R does make sence, defiently no carbys tho, engineering a turbo maybe an issue!!! if that kind of thing worrys you!
Allan
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Wed, 24 September 2003 08:38
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 24 September 2003 12:33 |
It's pretty simple really. If you want to experiment and have fun building up an engine, go the turbo 18R-G. If you just want lots of power with minimum fuss, go the 1G. Horses for courses!
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well that just sums it up perfectly, i know i will ultimately get more power with a 1G but i wanna stay with the 18RG, i love driving mine now, imagine my smile when i turbo it
what typre fo turbo would be best, i was thinking the good old T28 or GT28 or would that run out of puff,
i would stay with a genuine gasket for ease really, if i wanted alot of power out of it i'd then o-ring and all that shit, i was looking for maybe 170hp on low {7-8psi{ and maybe 220hp on hi boost {12psi}
realistic?????
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Wed, 24 September 2003 23:06
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Should be attainable without too much hassle, just stick a big fat exhaust on it and go for a 3" dump pipe if you can.
What injectors are you planning on using, because the standard ones would be a bit of power restriction (Assuming standard fuel pressure).
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Thu, 25 September 2003 07:23
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i'm not sure on injector sizing, that'll be a hurdle when i come to it
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Thu, 25 September 2003 11:40
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This is what i have been trying to work out, was injectors to use..
Ive heard 3SGE fit in the rail and possibly 3TGTE, but they are different resistance to the stock 18RGEU ones (low impedance?)
Do you plan on using the stock computer for now philmelvin?
I am planning my 18Rgeu turbo and cant decide whether to try and use the standard ecu because i only wana run low boost(4-6 psi) with it. until i have the spare $ to do a complete rebuild, which is not likely soon with the costs of other bits plus if i have to get a manifold/dump pipe made, and buy a turbo cos i found out today the one i was gona use is too worn and is kinda useless.
I want to find a set of injectors that will fit the standard rail and run reliably with the 18rgeu ecu, but flow slightly better volume.. enough to keep the mixture rich enough for low boost 4-6..
im quite interested in this thread..
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Thu, 25 September 2003 11:51
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I have a set of 3T-GTE injectors to use in my 18R-GEU when I go turbo. They're plug and play, same impedance and all. Just "tune" the system by playing with the AFM spring pressure and you're set. Like you I'm planning to run low boost with the factory ECU for the time being, and look at upgrading to an aftermarket ECU (and more boost) later when finances permit.
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Sat, 27 September 2003 04:40
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Oh ok this is what i like to hear Norbie..
So toyota did make a set of injectors that have the same plugs as the 18R-GE computer and which have similar impedance?
great, ill keep my eyes out for a set of 3Tgte
injectors then... because a low boost setup using as much toyota gear as poss would be sweet.. wont break the bank as aftermarket gear can and does..
Do you need a specific generation/year/origin of 3Tgte injectors? or are they all the same across the range of 3tgte motors we get here in Oz?
What colour is a 3tgte injector? Anyone have the part number? so i know when im getting diddled..
Thanks
good luck to all,
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Re: costs of going 18RGEU TURBO
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Sun, 28 September 2003 09:33
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trd78 is putting a 3TGTE in his TA22 and i know hes geting new injectors, so he may still have his old ones
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