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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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The Eastwood MASSIVE !
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Wed, 24 September 2003 10:08
 
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The last line says it all.
" Or is speeding not the real cause of crashes? "
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Wed, 24 September 2003 10:54
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Mmmm.... let's see.
10km/h, result = almost written off 92 liberty.
Cause - Driver of other car not watching, thus no brakes applied or evasive action taken, poor liberty took ALL of the impact energy. Damn lucky my mother didn't get whiplash.
Speed a factor? No. But we all know what was the cause, and we've known it for a long time and nothing is done about it.
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Wed, 24 September 2003 10:56
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How come they never mention that if the driver was travelling at 180km/h, they would have passed the crash zone waaaay before it was destined to happen, and thereby avoided the whole thing ? 
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Wed, 24 September 2003 11:01
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| Soarer wrote on Wed, 24 September 2003 20:56 |
How come they never mention that if the driver was travelling at 180km/h, they would have passed the crash zone waaaay before it was destined to happen, and thereby avoided the whole thing ?
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And they don't mention how everyone can work together on the road and perfectly choreograph where they have to exactly be and the exact time the pedestrian walks out onto the road to get run down precisly up to the B pillar of the car.......
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Wed, 24 September 2003 12:20
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Not a bad read at all, up by 101 million......what the!!
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Wed, 24 September 2003 23:18
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With respect, this is hardly news...Although I must say, the editorial was well written.
For too long motorists have simply let the Government get away with this stuff.
They say that, if you repeat a fiction long enough, it will eventually be accepted as truth...Hence the propaganda over many years that "Speed Kills". An intially (rightfully so) disbelieving public has eventually "come around" to the "fact" that speed kills, so no action is taken, or complaint made about Governments continually introducing more methods of catching drivers out...
My 2c? If they were in any way serious about reducing the road toll, they would direct this revenue into proper driver education (as in, how to control a car properly in all conditions, how to drive to those conditions - and your own/the vehicle's limitations - , general road sense, defensive driving, pulse-braking and collision avoidance etc etc) no questions asked. Instead, they direct this extra money into General Revenue and it then goes...Where? Into Politician's pockets via elaborate (and unfairly, leniently treated) Super schemes etc.
It's high time someone bit the bullet and formed a State-based political party whose over-riding agenda was better treatment of motorists. (And to force proper, transparent accounting from Government).
/end rant.
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 00:17
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Excellent rant. I could not agree more with the points you have raised.
It all comes down to the mighty dollar in the politicians pockets, nothing to do with saving lives at all it seems.
Another point to raise, why do they blame all accidents on speeding drivers ? How about careless ones, ones who don't indicate, ones who change lanes without looking, ones who don't stop at stop signs, tailgaters etc. etc. etc.
There are far more reasons for crashes than the simple "speeding" crap they are dishing out to us.
On another point, the new red light cameras being installed will also have speed cameras built into them so if you jab the accelerator to ensure you don't get a photo taken, you'll end up getting one taken anyway for speeding. I think that this will cause more accidents than it prevents, as people will debate whether to lock up the brakes if the lights turn orange part way thru the intersection, or try to get thru the intersection by going slightly over the limit.
One final point, why are pedestrians hardly (if ever?) targetted for anti-accident campaigns ? I've seen plenty of pedestrians who shouldn't be crossing roads (even on the freeway). Or how about people who only cross half of the road, wait in the middle for traffic to pass, then process to the other side ? These are all accidents waiting to happen, yet they don't even gain the interest of road safety campaigners.
Sorry for the extended rant, but you can see that I'm less than impressed with the government and their stance on speeding. I believe that its nothing much more than a revenue raising exercise than a accident prevention exercise.
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Brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 05:23
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are they seriously installing speed camera's in red camera zones? that's farking rediculous, i drive a good 100-200k's per day for my job and there are plenty of times where you "HAVE TO" jump on the accelerator and go for the orange cause a big ass truck is up your ass and there's no way he can stop (i work in industrial areas alot). Gotta love our government, but hey don't forget Hoons are the devil and we must be destroyed cause we are the only ones that speed.
I love the final comment about how they are expecting australians to speed more despite their great campaign to stop speeding. 101million, thats alot of speeding.
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 06:28
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The speed/red light camera combos are currently being tested in Canberra, and are due to hit Sydney (and other areas I imagine) shortly.
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 06:30
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I must say, I really enjoy seeing speed cameras that have been vandalised.
especially after today. I happily cruised through one of the variable school zone ones at 55 - then almost shat a brick before I realised it was only 2:25, and the speed limit changes at 2:30
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 06:44
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| Soarer wrote on Thu, 25 September 2003 16:28 |
The speed/red light camera combos are currently being tested in Canberra, and are due to hit Sydney (and other areas I imagine) shortly.
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They've been in Canberra for longer than I've been here (over a year).
They're fucked. It's ridiculous and yet the general public just accepts it.
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 06:53
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that's 'cause the general public are stupid lemmings
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Brisvegas
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June 2003
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 06:56
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Its a friggin joke...transit authorities are a bunch of wankers.
But at least it seems more people are opening their eyes to the real realities of crashes. Speeding cant be blamed as the sole cause for accidents...its certainly a factor sometimes but theres a shiteload of variables involved.
just goes to show...the government will lie their arses off to justify something that is so blatantly wrong that its laughable.
whats even funnier is when you confront them about it they mumble off some crap they think justifies it all. They cant even achieve what they've so called set out to do
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Peter Beattie 
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November 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 10:03
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| Soarer wrote on Thu, 25 September 2003 10:17 |
EOne final point, why are pedestrians hardly (if ever?) targetted for anti-accident campaigns ? I've seen plenty of pedestrians who shouldn't be crossing roads (even on the freeway). Or how about people who only cross half of the road, wait in the middle for traffic to pass, then process to the other side ? These are all accidents waiting to happen, yet they don't even gain the interest of road safety campaigners.
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Having been the victim of a pedestrian accident (ie: the driver) it's late coming for me but pedestians who are drunk are now liable for their actions in the event of an accident. Interestingly in a government report on pedestrian accidents, 2/3rds of accidents are the pedestrians fault, and thats NOT taking into account intoxication (I found this when researching my court case) yet the driver is still liable. Work that out.
/] end victim rant
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 12:20
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Aaah sweet justice. Just need a local mob to start doing this over here:
http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/news/gener al/2003/09/25/FFXHO2HOZKD.html
Rebels attack speed cameras
A band of rebel motorists in England, Scotland and Wales have declared war on speed cameras, systematically destroying what they have dubbed "stealth tax inspectors". One camera on the M11 motorway, credited with nabbing 2000 motorists a day, was flattened after a truckie deliberately backed over it, according to police. Another was blown to pieces.
The Gatso cameras are being burnt or destroyed at a rate that is alarming police and costing nearly $60,000 a pop to replace. The rebels communicate with each other using internet chat rooms. They operate at night.
Police have offered a $5000 reward for information leading to the capture of one band of camera culprits.
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Ballarat, Victoria
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March 2003
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Thu, 25 September 2003 12:50
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i guess its fair enough to reduce death blah blah...as you all said earlier 
but, id like to say stuff about pedestrians. out cruising at night, i have had faggots try to punch my car (yes, you read that right) and faggots who like to let all the cars past, and when i get nice and let them pass, go crook at you.... and the amount of times ive nearly hit drunks in lydiard street (for you ballarat folk) is absolutley ridiculous.
admittedly, i do drive like a jeckoff. i corner fast and accelerate....as best as the ra60 can manage, and ive had a few near misses that were my fault, but the amount of times people have tried to change lanes with me right next to them, and overtake with oncoming cars about 50 m away is far greater. luckily i have avoided all this kinda crap, and the only dents my car has had was when i backed it into the shed before i had my Ls.(  )
(pointless rant)
but the light cameras certainly produces problems, IMO. will they be able to detect wet weather, and allow a bit of leway, or will people be slamming on the brakes and skidding out into the middle of the intersection????
hmmm, ive raised some really illogical points. 
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Fri, 26 September 2003 00:16
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| clubagreenie wrote on Thu, 25 September 2003 20:03 |
Having been the victim of a pedestrian accident (ie: the driver) it's late coming for me but pedestians who are drunk are now liable for their actions in the event of an accident. Interestingly in a government report on pedestrian accidents, 2/3rds of accidents are the pedestrians fault, and thats NOT taking into account intoxication (I found this when researching my court case) yet the driver is still liable. Work that out.
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So everything worked out well? That's damn good to know dude.
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Sydney
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June 2003
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Fri, 26 September 2003 01:01
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What I dont get is the way they go about things. They are going crazy with expensive ads etc that are aimed at the people going 5-10k's over the limit. What about the people who do more than that???? Or are they safe? And what about the people who "drive dangerously"?? Once they get the priorities straight, then I might start to sit up and listen. As it is now, whenever one of their ads come on TV, I'm like "yeah whatever you reckon".
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Fri, 26 September 2003 07:53
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| mlaser wrote on Thu, 25 September 2003 15:23 |
are they seriously installing speed camera's in red camera zones? that's farking rediculous, i drive a good 100-200k's per day for my job and there are plenty of times where you "HAVE TO" jump on the accelerator and go for the orange cause a big ass truck is up your ass and there's no way he can stop (i work in industrial areas alot). Gotta love our government, but hey don't forget Hoons are the devil and we must be destroyed cause we are the only ones that speed.
I love the final comment about how they are expecting australians to speed more despite their great campaign to stop speeding. 101million, thats alot of speeding.
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They are going to introduce it in Victoria. There are TV ad campaigns warning people about the speed cameras in red light cameras.
I agree with the views posted here. Want to get some revenue? Try getting profits out of driver ed. Driving is a priviledge, not a right.
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Fri, 26 September 2003 07:57
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| draven wrote on Thu, 25 September 2003 16:30 |
I must say, I really enjoy seeing speed cameras that have been vandalised.
especially after today. I happily cruised through one of the variable school zone ones at 55 - then almost shat a brick before I realised it was only 2:25, and the speed limit changes at 2:30
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The thing is how can you tell on your clock that 2:30 is really 2:30?? What if your clock is fractionally slow and says 2:29 but really is 2:30? You're going to get done??
I'd say stick some lights to say that it is the school zone. Let everyone know to watch out for kids about. I'm all for slowing down around schools coz little kids don't know better but for crying out loud, tell people (esp people not paying attention) that it's the school zone period.
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Sydney
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June 2003
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Sun, 28 September 2003 23:28
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They have had the red light/speed camera in Tassie for quite some time now. It sucks.
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Tasmania
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April 2003
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Mon, 29 September 2003 01:14
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There has been a bit of controversy with the red light/speed camera set-up in Hobart. People have been getting off the fine because there has been some problem with the cameras number not being printed on the picture taken (Think that's right).
On a good note, the police are investigating letting off a lot of people because of this problem.
Cheers,
Justin 
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The Rainy City
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May 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Mon, 29 September 2003 07:19
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I also agree with everything that has been stated, especially the fact that the car/truck behind you might not be able to stop in time. I guess a truck pushing your car into an intersection isnt going to kill as many people as say, driving at 65km/h in a 60 zone.
I also strongly agree with the editorial's points about the condition of the car. There is no way a car with bald tyres and 70's technology can be expected to brake within the same distance as a later model car with good tyres. The government, and in particular Mr Bracks, doesnt think we the public are intelligent enough to discern these facts.
This is Western Propoganda at work.
Sorry, im just a bit upset because ive just been caught by one of those red/speed cameras. In my situation attempting to brake would have had me careering with all 4 wheels locked up, let alone the fact that the line of traffic behind me would most likely have piled up as far as the eye can see. Plus, i was driving at the speed limit.
Melbourne: Princes Highway, just before you reach St Kilda, is a red/speed camera. Take care everyone.
cheers
tom.
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Perth
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August 2002
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Re: revenue raising - vic ad campaign
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Mon, 29 September 2003 08:50
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Another problem which is often overlooked by all is the condition of cars on the road. A lot of people don't maintain their car as well as they should (not likely to be anyone on this forum) letting it become a deathtrap not only for themself but others.
I'm not sure which states have the conmpulsory inspection every 1 or 2 years, but WA definately hasn't got it, so the datsun I had before my cressida had gone 30 years without being checked if it was still safe (which it wasn't when i got rid of it). Over here there's so many old heaps of shite driving around that not even the best driver or sitting on the speed limit will stop from having an accident.
Speed doesn't kill, driving on the wrong side of the road does...
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