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I supported Toymods
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Re: AutoSalon and Cabin.
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Fri, 17 May 2002 01:03
 
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My email to Cabin !
-----Original Message-----
From: Rodney Try [mailto:thetoyman75@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2002 1:15 PM
To: info@autosalon.org
Cc: toymodscarclub_board@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Drag Combat Newsletter
To whom it may concern,
I am just writing to queary the Cabin groups constant insisting on vehicles being post 1986. I was just curious as to why this was your practice.? As the president of the Toymods Car club and previous Sydney Auto Salon entrant I must say I am at a loss.
The Toymods car club caters for all relms of Modified Toyotas, we do not discriminate by build date and in fact even welcome non Toyota to the club if they feel they can benefit.
You may have noticed we were officially abscent from your recent Sydney Auto Salon. This was due to your ruling on pre 1986 cars not be eligable for judging despite the requests and corespondance from our Social Secretary Simon Mc Neal. Our club has within its ranks quite a number of outstanding vehicles these include feature cars from Hot 4's, Fast 4's and Zoom
magazines. Not to mention the creations still to be unveiled to the general public. I can safely say in the performance department there lies with in our club a select group of vehicles that would put the majority of Sydney Autosalon entrants to shame.
Some of our members would be only to happy to attend more of your events if we were eligable for judging !
Please consider allowing for classic contempary vehicles in your events program. At the end of the day we are all car enthusiasts and enjoy gethering for a common purpose. We have noticed that you cater for Rotary power cars (regardless of age) and our scope of social appeal is at least equal to that of the rotary vehicle.
In order for you to better asses the merit of my request you may wish to check out our club website at www.toymods.org.au you may also find it of interest to note that our public forums received over 2.1 MILLION hits for the month of March 2002 and our daily adverage continues to climb. Keep in mind our club is self funded and run by a board of Volenteers who hold the clubs best interests close to our heart. We are a non profit organisation
and are not looking for commercial gain just the oppertunity to compete on level ground.
I thank you for taking the time to read my mail and would greatly appreciate it if you could post any reply to board@toymods.org.au
I look forward to you reply,
Regards,
Rod Try
Toymods Car Club President
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Fri, 17 May 2002 01:08
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Here is there official responce.
Hello Rodney,
First of all, thank your for writing to us to express your opinions about our events, we do appreciate your wishes for pre-1986 car to be a part of Auto Salon as there are few if any car shows in existence that offer the type of fun and excitement to entrants as our events offer.
To answer your question will take some explanation.
The Auto Salon show series was launched in 1996 as a new concept for car shows in Australia, being specifically focussed on late-model & high-tech modified cars. The reason we did this is because this aspect of car enthusiam was not catered for at the time by any of the existing shows. We feel our car entrants and our audience expect a certain look, vibe and atmosphere at our events that separate it from other well known events like
Summernats, Jamboree, Small Car Sunday et-al. We also believe that we deliver this for them better than anyone else.
In creating Auto Salon we have also influenced a specific style of car building which appeals to our audience and possibly not to enthusiasts of non- Auto Salon style cars. While influencing this style we also created what we believe is a progressive and fair judging system based heavily on what we refer to as 'car fashion', which compared to 'traditional' car shows is rather different to judge as it takes into account trends and fashion as
much as it does build integrity.
How, for example, do you put a strict judging criterion on an award like 'Bachelor of Babes', or even 'Check out Those Rims'?
I have been involved with Auto Salon judging since day one, and have created the new judging system that has progressively become more stringent for regular car build areas like paint, interior and body as the Auto Salon car builders have themselves progressed from simple wheels and lowering jobs through to the wonderful creations you see winning awards like 'King of Auto
Salon' these days.
Still, we specialise in judging 'car fashion', and applying a separate and new judging system for older cars that are commonly built to be successful in 'traditional' events would mean introducing a whole new discipline to not only the judges, but many of the entrants as well. We have repeated requests
from street machiners to enter Auto Salon, and we also respectfully refuse entry to these cars also, as again these entrants would expect a certain style of car judging we cannot provide to the levels of their expectations.
Another issue is simply differentiating ourselves from other shows, and that is quite easily done with drawing the line on post-1986. We will also be applying this guideline to our new Drag Combat drag racing series, as we feel that owners of older model cars, like with car shows, already have many other events that cater to their racing, judging, and fashion tastes.
In regards having older model rotary cars at our event. At the Final Battle 2001 this event featured an area called the 'Rotary Zone', which was an experiment to see of Sydney's rotary tuning houses could benefit from being incorporated into Auto Salon events as paying traders. We don't dictate to our paying traders what types of car they can bring in to show off their products, as we usually find most stick to late-model cars anyway as they
know that this is what Auto Salon caters for. The rotary workshops, however, still prefered to display R100 through RX7 vehicles as this is still the majority of their business. We had six specific rotary awards for these cars, but in hindsight we didn't feel they 'fit' as well as they might have. This is why the Rotary Zone did not appear at Sydney show in May this year,
and instead we introduced the Radio Controlled car section to expand our event.
In closing, the Cabin Group is comfortable with our current position in the market of car shows organisation. We enjoy large crowds and have a base of car builders nationally that are thriving in their 'private' environment. We will not risk upsetting this successful formula while it is still working so
well and I hope you can understand this. Also, we wish to leave
'traditional' car show organisation and judging to the experts in these fields, so that car builders like many of the members of Toymods can achieve the success they set out to do.
Again I thank you for your email, and I hope this clears many of your questions.
Regards,
Damon Dupriez
Cabin Group P/L
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Re: AutoSalon and Cabin.
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Fri, 17 May 2002 02:56
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ugh! I think i'd better refrain from comment on this one as it is a public forum after all... 
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Re: AutoSalon and Cabin.
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Fri, 17 May 2002 11:15
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common, what do you expect??
its about making a buck, not being fair to carbuilders.
ive been the editor of a national magazine in the same niche, and know what its like being an enthusiast in an advertising driven market. it phucks you off, but you soon learn they dont care about the cars, they are simply pawns in a bigger marketing scheme. in the ladder of importance at an event like this, the cars are WAYY down at the bottom!!
prime demographic of say hot 4's is males 15-22, with limited disposable income, and big dreams. same demographic [cabin] is feeding off.
look at it:
post 1986 = front wheel drive
car fashion = wank factor 10 harlquin paint
thats performance preclusive! its all about image and selling advertising space (read paying shop floor space). this is never going to be a show for performance, or all-go no-show vehicles. theyre not exciting enough for dumb phuck 16year olds who dont know anything other than how to spend their maccas money on 5" monster tachs.
yes, i hated working for the magazine!
cheers
ed
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Fri, 17 May 2002 15:41
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That sounds all fine to me, they make it clear how they feel about the types of cars in Toymods. They can only judge 'car fashion' whereas Toymods is more focused on car's 'function'.
I see totally where they're coming from, I mean hell, if I was putting on a car show for proper cars, I wouldn't want the sort of cars that show up to Auto Salon appearing.
Auto Salon is a farce, it won't be long now 'till the ricers (for want of a better term) and the serious car enthusiasts are distinguished and identified by the general public for what we/they are, and we won't have to put up with being bundled into the same category as them, copping the negative treatment that they deserve.
I hate to use such a cliche, but these ricers are getting beyond a joke.
[Updated on: Sat, 18 May 2002 02:20]
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Re: AutoSalon and Cabin.
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Sat, 18 May 2002 10:04
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bah, Cabin are just a bunch of little rich boys spending daddys money.
But I liked the way rod pointed out the fact about the old rotaries still being able to win awards.
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Re: AutoSalon and Cabin.
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Mon, 20 May 2002 10:27
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Nowhere for the late model cars shown at the current shows!!!why do you think that??I think because most of them are just body kits wacked on brand new car and painted.then they are lowered.
Not my idea of a show car,my misses could buy something like that done from a caryard and she isn't really it to cars.
There is an art in restoring an old car to it's former glory or better and some people just don't understand this.There are other shows for us where we will be better off so I'm not worried. As for the rotary thing try driving in bathurst on race weekend or something like that then you will feel you really don't fit in
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Re: AutoSalon and Cabin.
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Wed, 22 May 2002 10:24
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Alright Guys, i just thought i might come in and have a little say,
Dealing with the Cabin Group over the past year has always been of a proffesional standard,i do not hold any gruges or anything like that against anyone, especially not the people who run autosalon, In the past 2 years i have gone in 3 autosalon's and only had one fault, that was final battle 2001, there was just way too many cars and we got shafted to the back corner, facing a wall, that was the only time i have ever had a problem, now since it is official that toymods can not enter pre 1986 cars i dont think this should hold us back. we can still have a prescence, we still have a lot of good quality cars worthy of autosalon!
If the cabin people do read this i would like to congratulate them on starting off a very well organised car show, and good luck to you in the future, by autosalon 2003 toymods will have a bigger and better prescence in the show scene!
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Re: AutoSalon and Cabin.
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Sat, 25 May 2002 11:38
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MY POINT OF VIEW 
Frankly any events with the words "salon" or "combat" should be nuked A, to clean out the gene pool of the rice-boy neon light speakers on wheels toss factor and B, to remove the $h144y Honda's and copious fiberglassed other mums ex shopping cars from the roads
Allan
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Sun, 26 May 2002 08:06
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Well all I can say is I actually went to the Auto Salon this year
and thought that i was in an Art show. all that seemed to be there was a whole heap of pretty pictures painted all over cars.
There was not mush in the way of the performance of the cars apart from the dyno machine and a sound tester.... all in all i actually thought it was pretty borning for what is was... But everyone has there rules for everything and as much as we may not like or agree with them we just have to live with it. 
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Mon, 27 May 2002 04:18
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Well said - rules are rules, and we must abide by them... so long as we can show them on the road whether its that celica with the 1g or that pulsar with 55 boom boxes in the boot thats going to attract the attention ..... 
i guess that you could say that us guys (u guys who are paying members anyway) are in the club for the joy of driving and restoring your car and learning about your car - if that is the truth, going to the autosalons wouldn't probably interest you in the 1st place anywayz
tell u the truth, i have a rice car and a nice car, the lancer i would take to show at autosalon - as it 'fits' there... the celica, on the other hand, i will keep on the road.. and only on the road... to eat up unsuspecting rices and rich boys and old ladies in SLK's
MOOHAHAHAHAH 
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Well the rules are the rules, but it does disheartens me see a Car like Rod's knocked back, but some shit, looking Charade Allowed. It had been painted, then driven to the show while paint was still wet!! Yes he even had a sign stating that along with the 1st wide bodied Charade plastered around it.Runs everywhere, Dirt through the paint and some kind of rough looking finish.... All he did was mask the window on the window....... Even better was the Two good mates who are the dam best panelbeaters I know Made very vocal remarks, then also found the owner and became even more vocal about it being a show car... I'm still shocked at such a finish, but if this is fashion, what's next? Stuff the paint, let's cover it with carpet, inside and out?
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Thu, 06 June 2002 06:57
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carpet..mmmm. would be nice and cosy in winter
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Mon, 10 June 2002 09:05
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I think its a crock of s**t that cars that are worthy to be at Auto Salon are denied due to their age!!(I think the judges are peodophiles,they prefer little young ones with their arses wrapped in plastic with pretty pictures printed on it like a snugglers disposable!!, than the nice curves and sexy looks of old cars!!)
Each car should be judged on its merits not its amount of fibreglass and airbrushing. I refuse to give into this "new age" car scene (with the exception of my wheels )and ill keep driving my car till it either falls apart around me or the RTA refuse to re-register it!
Why dont Toymods start a pre 1986 car show for all makes and use it as a fundraiser?? That way we can stick it up the rice boys good and proper and make a buck at the same time!
By the way the last Auto Salon i went to there was a beautiful blue Supra there which i thought deserved to win outright!! It was subtle and had everything going for it,i later heard that it was beaten by the peice of crap Commondore Ute!!! If thats how they run that chook raffle they call a car show then perhaps we are better off staying away!
Jamie.
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Tue, 11 June 2002 00:32
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MrTA22 I like the idea of running a toymods show !! Rod ?
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Wed, 12 June 2002 10:29
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| MRTA22 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2002 7:05 PM |
Why dont Toymods start a pre 1986 car show for all makes and use it as a fundraiser?? That way we can stick it up the rice boys good and proper
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this means that riceboy cars like mine will not be able to enter?
correct?
and yes toymods are in the process of organisation of a car show
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Wed, 12 June 2002 13:42
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alot of the cars looked ok but i wanted to see older cars there,
i think if toymods holds a car show it should be members only , or only cars that have been modified, not just paint work or stereos
just my 2cents
Darola
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Thu, 13 June 2002 13:19
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What sort of show is Toymods thinking of??? An Autosalon type of show or something more like Summernats with driving events included??? It would be hard to get people to the show if it was just Toymods cars allowed to enter... There are that many shows around now that i think that only a couple of hundred would be interested in coming to a show which is just one club... When you think about it, it's just like one of the cruises... When we park for a break there are always a few onlookers but there will never be as many ppl that are attending Autosalon or the like... I think that serious thought must be put into this idea before it goes ahead as it may fall apart and end up costing the club more than it is worth... What are ppl's thoughts on this??? Simon, what do u reckon as u are the events organiser??? You have probably put all of this into consideration already but i thought that you may just need to hear it from a few more people just to back it up... Anywayz...
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Tue, 18 June 2002 01:34
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| toyseca wrote on Wed, 12 June 2002 8:29 PM |
and yes toymods are in the process of organisation of a car show
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Excellent.
Had some thoughts on that after seeing the All American Car Show at Castle Towers earlier in the year. It wasn't greatly promoted so I thought it was just going to be a little show. I could believe how many cars showed up from all the American car clubs. Way bigger than the AutoSalon. I was stunned. Had a V10 Viper there and big block Mustangs.
I reckon it would be worth investigating holding something similar at Castle Towers. Maybe something like Modified Import Car Show and invite all the Japanese and European car clubs to come and display.
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Tue, 18 June 2002 11:07
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Maybe something like Modified Import Car Show and invite all the Japanese and European car clubs to come and display
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Isn't that what the Autosalon suppose to be about?? Ahh only for late models...(had to read their reply again!) We really need a car show that caters for early model car with late Hi-tech engined car's.... many of the members here do fit that bill. I couldn't see any real hi-tech cars in the Autosalon, only plastic covered standard issued run about's, which are all show, No real go, with a few expections thrown in. I really think that many here also have equally, if not, a more of a hi-tech car when it comes to the engine Dept then, say, 80% of what was there last time... Many I could buy straight from the show room floor. I don't think any recorded the RWDHP that Yogi's beast has shown, especially from a 1.6L!! So who is really the Hi-tech guys here? Us or them? I really feel we are in front on the Hi-tech stakes not them... Style could also be argued. I feel we should be thought of as Connoisseurs with hi-tech idealism!!
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Thu, 20 June 2002 01:22
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Im not understanding why you all have a problem with the Autosalon and "ricers". Your bagging out other people because of their choice in cars and how they choose to modify them. Not everyone can afford huge horsepower, or "restoring an old car to it's former glory". Maybe some people don't want the hastle of working with an older car, instead want something new, reliable, cheaper (insurance too), and with better fuel economy. Maybe some peoples taste go towards the cruiser style, lowered on their guts, with retrimmed interiors and huge stereos. If heaps of fibregalss and new paint instantly makes someone a "ricer" then i guess I'm one of them. There are things that i personally hate seeing on some cars, but I also know exactly what i want my car to be like and i'm not going to let other peoples personal tastes dictate my cars future. Modifying cars is supposed to be fun and personal. Do what YOU want to YOUR car because at the end of the day your the one thats going home to play with it. Not the guy who pulled up next to you calling you a "ricer" or what ever. Im sorry if i hit a nerve with any of you, because that wasnt my intent. I just dont think what was being said was fair.
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Thu, 20 June 2002 01:35
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Spending $10,000+ on a car that doesn't go any better has never made much sense to me. Even worse is when the car is never driven.
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Thu, 20 June 2002 01:54
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Not everyone can afford huge horsepower,
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thats the thing, they could afford horsepower if they didnt spend their money on neons, airbrushing, and fibre glass..
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Thu, 20 June 2002 01:59
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I can afford the $750 for my new front bar, but i cant afford the 20 grabd for the engine work i want right now. I think i might have ticked a few of you guys off?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 03:14
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| ytri wrote on Thu, 20 June 2002 11:59 AM |
I can afford the $750 for my new front bar, but i cant afford the 20 grabd for the engine work i want right now. I think i might have ticked a few of you guys off?
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You haven't tick me off.
Now you are getting to the reasons why engine swaps can to a very cost effective way to increase power to a car. What car and motor do you have?
I calculated once how much it was going to cost to get a 3S-FE to perform the same numbers as a 3S-GE. I think it was about $3-4000. For that price I can get a 3S-GTE!
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Thu, 20 June 2002 03:26
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I own a 92 Soarer TT. I briefly thought about swapping to a 2JZ but then i decided the 1JZ is staying for various reasons. At the moment it has only an exhaust and different air filter. But after i get a new intercooler hopefully next week it will be receiving a lot more attention.
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Thu, 20 June 2002 09:54
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Maybe some people don't want the hastle of working with an older car, instead want something new, reliable, cheaper (insurance too), and with better fuel economy
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Who say's we all have old cars? I have a '95 Corolla and a '94 Levin and ordered some different to all the WRX's in the world, An Audi S3, So I got all the above. The point being I can enter all these cars, but Rods, with a late model engine stuck in it, is still classified as low tech. All the cars I do own are still using 20+ Years technology... nothing new at all.
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Maybe some peoples taste go towards the cruiser style, lowered on their guts, with retrimmed interiors and huge stereos
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Been there, done that, just wait till someone knock it off (stereo)... Main reason I ordered the S3, but these people think they have full on race cars when on the street 99% of the time. Plus all the stuff they put on them... Hugh AP Racing Brakes on a Civic, One question, $15K of brakes, Why??, most will never get them hot enough to use! Also most want to run me in my Corolla (Group A Rally car), Are they really stupid? While on the subject of stupid, the Most stupid comment was made by someone who owns a car most people would know as a regular at the Salon events. He and a few mates were sitting on my car when I came back from locating the T/modder's who were also entering the Final Battle. I ask, quite nicely for them to get off, on which he's reply was his paint costed more than my car. My answer? 'My gearbox is worth more than his car as it sat there with mod's, So don't start!'. Does my asking to get of my car warrant attitude like this? This is what the point of the letter that was sent to Rod, Attitude like this. He's not good enough basically, but we will take your money to enter!! See my previous post, Who would let a numbskull like this enter?
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Do what YOU want to YOUR car because at the end of the day your the one thats going home to play with it
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True, this is what it is all about, and please I'm not angry with you, but with the Cabin Boys.
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Mon, 02 June 2003 12:43
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unfortunately the rta or cops are somewhat to blame here aswell
i used to goto the summernats
i went to show number 2 to 11
but near the last few yrs all it is is who has the louder stereo
the rta want to get rid of old cars
new rules and emision laws r making it harder and harder owning a car with go and not show
i spent 35 grand on my datsun 1600
100 dollars was towards the stereo hehe
i did alot of tiny engineering things on it but these days they go unnoticed unless u have a 150 dbl subs and a massive sticker on the back window hehe
i dont goto shows anymore unless they give me free tickets
but i guess im from the old school
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