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I Supported Toymods
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Mon, 06 October 2003 03:11
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Hey All,
My Supra's Suspension is showing its age and believe that the noise is comming from tired shockers... To cut to the chase,
Is it justifited to get KMac Bearing plates for the front?
How much should be enough when getting stock height springs, shocks all around (Don't want to lower it from speed humps  and excessive tyre wear from the back).
Any advice would be appreciated as I don't want to spend too much.
Cheers.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 04:04
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'King Springs' make std height springs all round and can be had for a couple hundered dollars,
Shocks are more of a personal preference, many people degrade 'Pedders' suspension and equivilants, - but if you are building a budget daily driver there is not much point buying anything more sophisticated..
The supras come with exceptional handling, I would strongly suggest looking at the 'whiteline' page to find a price on a complete set of fresh bushes... This is certainly a worthwhile job that can be performed in your driveway over a not so busy weekend off work.
celicasupra.com -> FAQ section is a good place to start reading about how the over side of the world thinks about suspension.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 10:48
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All new urethane bushes, slightly lowered (2" max) springs, and good shocks. It will absolutely transform the car and you'll br grinning from ear to ear! It can be done for about $1k if you do the work yourself, depending on the shocks you buy (ie Bilsteins won't fit into that budget).
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 11:29
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norbie - can you get me some deatils on what Paul P did to his cross member to counter the neg camber on the rear??
i might be able to get my hands on a spare X member, so might have an opportunity to cut/weld/play with it...
cheers
ed
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 11:30
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| boudan wrote on Mon, 06 October 2003 14:04 |
... celicasupra.com -> FAQ section is a good place to start reading about how the over side of the world thinks about suspension.
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Sorry Boudan, but I am looking at Australian's opinion and not America because we are driving on Australian roads and not American roads (not trying to mock you or the Americans)...
Thank you.
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Mon, 06 October 2003 12:14
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lol... you like corners huh? i love the yank's stance on lowering the ma61 - they reckon its totally fucks its performance 'cause of the induced neg camber "too much wheelspin" ... seems all these guys consider is straight lines, their supras are too delicate to actually be abused in corners 
i can gaurantee you that the neg camber is a godsend on fast brutal corners, just sucks in traffic and slow corners where youll power from slow speeds (like traffic light corners)
kings "low" and any decent gas charged shock will get you by. then do yyour main susp buses and maybe your sway bar bushes too, make an amazing differece - havent done the latter to my supra yet, but on previous cars - youll be impressed.
dont overlook the likes of a strut brace either in the susp setup
cheers
ed
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 12:15
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| ZZT231 wrote on Mon, 06 October 2003 13:11 |
Is it justifited to get KMac Bearing plates for the front?
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you talking bout front camber plates?
startelsewhere first - thats an expensive and more exotic purchase compared to the simp[le things like shocks, springs and bushes
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 12:18
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Ed, I was just talking to Paul about this last week and plans are afoot to make the rear camber adjustable... not 100% on the details but I should know more soon. 
Currently his car has had the rubber bushes removed between the rear crossmember and the body, which removes some of the camber but not enough - I think he said his car has about 2.5 degrees rear camber (way too much) and it's only been mildly lowered. Apparently this mod introduces extra noise and vibration as well (not surprisingly) so it's probably not the best solution.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 12:26
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 06 October 2003 22:18 |
Currently his car has had the rubber bushes removed between the rear crossmember and the body
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oh 
be keen to see what the idea is with the adjustability. i havent had a good look at it yet. (did i mention im making adj fuel pressure regs btw - using stock toyota regs... ill keep you informed )
my ma61 looks like a friggin M3 from the back, the camber is out of control - has its uses tho 
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Mon, 06 October 2003 13:48
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Mon, 06 October 2003 22:14 |
lol... you like corners huh? i love the yank's stance on lowering the ma61 - they reckon its totally fucks its performance 'cause of the induced neg camber "too much wheelspin" ... seems all these guys consider is straight lines, their supras are too delicate to actually be abused in corners
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Thanks Ed, I knew lowering the car does some serious negative camber at the back... What about Pedders Sports Riders all around set at stock height and King Springs all around?
I over looked at all the bushing, but i suppose need replacing. Is Norlathane (Sorry for the spelling  ) better then the rubber bushing?
Cheers.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Tue, 07 October 2003 00:48
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Paul's also arranging to have new crossmember bushes made out of urethane and suggested the possibility of a group buy (there's already 3 of us interested) so if anyone else wants some let me know. I don't know if you've looked at your bushes but I'll wager they're all perished and nasty looking by now. Urethane should help to more rigidly locate the crossmember which obviously is a good thing.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Tue, 07 October 2003 02:39
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How much roughly we talking about?
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Tue, 07 October 2003 03:58
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Yeah im interested as well depending on price.
Whiteline suspension have bushes fro the MA61, not sure on the material though.
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Tue, 07 October 2003 12:32
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Hi guys, depending on the cost, I'll be interested in a set of bushes as well
Cheers
Michael B
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Tue, 07 October 2003 12:34
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this ma61 spare rear xmember you're talking about playing with ed - anyone know if an sa63 would be the same?
What Exactly are you planning to do to it?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 22:46
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SA63 xmember holds in a T series diff
so im guessing that it prolly wont be the same.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Tue, 07 October 2003 23:13
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Correct.
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:49
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I have both rear crossmembers but they are in use  ...
I got told Pedders sport rider shockers are good (for stock height)... Does anyone know if they are good or should I look else where?
Cheers.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:02
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norbie - I'll go in for that group buy for sure
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I supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:04
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I'll definetly be in too, the more I think about it, the fact that my crossmember is out of my car now means its a good idea
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:06
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i might be interested...
why exactly would a more riged crossmember be good? and how would urethane bushes help?
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:21
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Just to clarify, I wasn't talking about the trailing arm bushes, I was talking about the rubber mounts which sit between the crossmember and the floorpan. It doesn't make the crossmember more rigid, it more rigidly locates the crossmember. This is good because it allows less movement under heavy cornering loads, which makes for more accurate suspension geometry.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Thu, 09 October 2003 23:27
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 Thanks all for answering any of my questions (if any was answered)
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Thu, 09 October 2003 23:51
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Not justified
$1000-$1500, springs, bushes, shocks - KYB seems to be the go by all accounts.
Look at getting a triangulated strut brace. Search for the MA61 strut brace thread.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Thu, 09 October 2003 23:55
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Thanks Black... I'll keep that in mind.
A friend said that he can get me the KMac for $300, is it worth getting or should I just get eveything else with out the bearing plate?
Cheers.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 00:05
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From what youve written im going to guess you mean K-Mac camber adjusters.
Its a good price, but its not the first place i would spend money on a suspension upgrade. If Ed got off his ass and finished his car we could all see if the celica struts actually do give the extra camber we are after.
If you lower the car 1 inch you will get the same effect, although the tyre wear will increase at an uneven rate.
The car is almost 20, even if the suspension has been changed once, it will still be shagged.
New bushes, shocks and springs would be the first step. Then look at strut tower and sway bars.
And if you wanted to go ultra hardcore, someone in the states is developing coilovers.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 00:05
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Your $300 bearing plate is by no means going to be able to dramtically transform your 20yo shagged suspension gear. At the end of the day you are still going to have 20yo crapped parts.
Replace your springs, shocks, and bushes. - If you are not 100% impressed by the changes this makes... I'll eat my hat... Work from the bottom up 
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 00:09
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What flavour is it?
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 00:13
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A mixture of perspiration, grease, beer, and dirt most likely.. however i may invest in some confectionary head wear just incase the occasion arises.
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 02:12
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No Problems... Change the bushing will be the first to be done... Can this be done over the weekend in the backyard since I am an amature or should i take it to a pro to do the bushing?
Cheers.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 02:40
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It can be done by an amateur but it's very time consuming and often extremely frustrating if you don't have the right equipment (car hoist, air tools etc). I did it on my RA23 many years ago using only hand tools - it really sucked, but it saved me a few hundred bucks and that's important when you're a poor uni student! These days I think I'd take it to a shop and let them do the hard work.
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 03:01
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You also get to the point where u say, may as well do it all at once whilst everything is out.
Save you $$$ in labour.
Suspension is where i send it away to a shop
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 03:52
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| BlackSupra wrote on Fri, 10 October 2003 09:51 |
Not justified
$1000-$1500, springs, bushes, shocks - KYB seems to be the go by all accounts.
Look at getting a triangulated strut brace. Search for the MA61 strut brace thread.
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would that be including labour?
or just parts?
i'm assuming just parts but its always nice to know
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 06:48
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i would hope $1500 includes labour
$400 springs
$400 shocks
$300 bushes
$400 labour @$50/hr this is 8 hours
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Re: MA61 Suspension Upgrade...
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Fri, 10 October 2003 10:53
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Id choose KYB over pedders - they seem to have a very good name!
you should feel how the gt4 is now with the koni's and decent tyres now though - awesome - mind you - BIG price hike for koni's
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