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Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 01:26
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Hey
I was thinking of buying a Corolla sx, it had 245,000kms on it,
Just out of interest would it be worth rebuilding the engine? or replacing it, I could get a 20 valve silvertop for the same price as a 100kw engine. Its $1100 with the tradein of my engine, but the hard part I would have thought would be getting the engine in ect...
Whats involved in rebuilding the engine,
Would it run like new?
Is there anything i can do to get the performance up similar to the silvertop? such as shaving the head ect....
Does anyone do it in Melbourne?
Thanx!
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May 2002
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 02:36
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if the engine runs ok, does not use oil etc then why rebuild it if it does not need it??
i can sell you a silver top 20v for $1100 inc warrenty, and you can keep your 16 valve! (note that this motor does not have an ecu & has a cut loom)
fitting the engine is easy, getting it all wired up is the hard part (i have a guy who could do it, but is way, way too busy right now)
i can get you all the parts to rebuild your 100kw motor too - but i can tell you now it will cost you more than $1100 all up!!
ps i'm in melbourne.
T
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 02:56
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Hey,
true what u mean about the rebuilding if it doesn't need it
How many kms does the 20 valve have?? I would probably do it as a later option and just use the 16 valve,
Damn i drove one the other day with 280,000kms and it went HARD as. It was on its first engine too.
How much would the guy charge if i did buy the 20 valve later on down the track?
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 05:32
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20v motors (like all secondhand import motors) are a bit of a lucky dip. one might have 50k, the next 120k. no way to know unless k's were marked on the motor when it was removed. even then, no real idea on how the car was treated prior to it being wrecked.
well the 20v motor price is set.
my guy does custom new looms - good for non-efi cars. for a efi car he would probably have to intergrate the two looms together to run on the 20v ecu (20v and 100kw very similar wiring)
being honest, if he was to supply the ecu and afm, and do the wiring, it would probably be under $1k, but no guarentees on that price!!!
T
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 07:39
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Hey,
Hmmm I would probably try and just get a replacement 4age 16valve when the time comes, the 16 valve are a lot easier to replace, its pretty much rip out, disconnect loom and gearbox, and put the new one in, Right?
I made it seem easy but aren't they the basic parts?
The 4age 16 valve would be quick enough for my standards.
So rebuilding the block wouldn't be worth it?
Coz if i got a replacement 100kw engine, i wouldn't know the condition.... If i did a rebuild, I would have a (kinda) brand new engine, Like all the seals would be new and everything would be running sweet,
As mentioned, the SX performance is very appealing to me, I wouldn't ask much more than that except maybe an exhaust.
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 07:52
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if i were u id either look at spending the 1k on a better car in the 1st place.. look for a 20v or gze already in the car..
y spend 5k or whatever and then have to spend another 1k or more in gettin the car to what u want?
u are talkin here like u already have the sx, which u dont, and its all hypothetical..
buy a good car in the first place.. not somethin that u will need to pour money into as soon as u have bought it..
remember, sx's are gettin old now.. they are like12-13 years old.
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 08:39
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See the thing is,
If i buy one for like $6500 (which is how much they are for one with about 180,000kms at least,
Now the one from bass injected had 245,000kms ect and had the stuff I was after,
Now if i was to go spend $6500 on one, The engine would still be 180,000kms, and in 2-3 years it will jump to about 220,000kms, if i did the rebuild to the 4age 16 valve from bass injected, when it needs it, It will cost about $6000 all up, and the engine is fresh and includes rebuild, its a lot cheaper than buying one with 180,000kms which is stock as a rock and the engine is still 180,000kms, not as strong as a rebuild
Thats my thoughts
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 10:48
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another thing to remember is that being a member of the forums, and if u drive with ppl on meets etc, the bug will hit and u will want more power.. engine swap.. etc.
u will get used to the 16v i guarantee.
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Wed, 08 October 2003 11:32
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Hmmm,
So if i did get that one with 245,000kms, how much would the rebuild cost, and what could i do to it to get it as quick as a silvertop??
Would the engine be like new?
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Wed, 08 October 2003 23:46
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are you looking at rebuilding it yourself or paying someone to do it? to be honest the most time consuming part is the head (setting up valve clearances).
complete gasket kit is $286
timing belt $47
premium rings $151
main bearings $72
big end bearings $54
machining would probably be around $400 - thats chemically clean everything, get the block surfaced and honed, crank polished, head surfaced, cleaned and valve seats recut.
add about 2 days in time/labour to strip & reassemble the motor
will cost even more if you want to overbore the block and fit oversized pistons.
T
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Thu, 09 October 2003 02:08
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That isn't very much, I thought it would cost like $2000,
How would i take the block to get machined etc??
So it isn't too hard?? Like installing the new gasket??
What about the valve clearances??
Where abouts in Melbourne would they do the machining?
How much would it cost to take it to a place to actually do it all for me?
Would it run like new?
How much would it cost to get the head shaven,
Would it help?
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April 2003
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Thu, 09 October 2003 02:55
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Most of your money will go on the time and labour.
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Thu, 09 October 2003 06:56
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not to hard to rebuild a motor?
do you honestly think it is easy!!
if you have to ask all these basic questions then I dont think its a good idea. from the sounds of this your also going to have to pay someone to remove and refit it!!
3K job all up.
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Thu, 09 October 2003 07:05
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i can help you out with getting the motor built (i have a guy who wants me to do a 20v right now)
prices and labour estimates are for a motor already removed from a car, not including the fitting time!!!
putting a motor together is not a 5 minute job i'm afraid
T
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Thu, 09 October 2003 07:10
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Ohh i could imagine it would take more than a 5 minute job,
But if i took my time and stuff it wouldn't be too hard?
How much would u charge Mr T? Maybe I could invite ya for a BBQ every Sunday for the next 3 years?? LOL
How would I take the engine to the machine places?
Would it need to be machined???
So roughly, with ur help Mr T, how much would u reckon i would be set back?
Roughly how long would it take to remove the engine?
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Fri, 10 October 2003 03:35
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e-mail me.
basic costing is about $1000 in parts & machining, and a lot of labour - from start to finish probably about 3 days (including removing & refitting)
alot of work you could do yourself to save in $$.
T
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Fri, 10 October 2003 03:43
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Hey,
I spoke to Bass injected, he mentioned the car is putting out a fair bit of smoke when u give it, but I might get this other seca SX its got 212,000kms
I would want to use the car for a couple of months, as long as possible before having to do rebuild,
So u reckon about $1000 for parts ect???
Interesting,
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Fri, 10 October 2003 05:31
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well bar the 100kw engine gasket kit, i could have all the bits for you tomorrow. (gasket kit available later this month i'm told)
my sx has 193k on it, and it runs pretty good. jsut because a toyota motor has 200k on it does not mean it's stuffed!!
T
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Fri, 10 October 2003 05:46
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| ._T_. wrote on Fri, 10 October 2003 15:31 |
well bar the 100kw engine gasket kit, i could have all the bits for you tomorrow. (gasket kit available later this month i'm told)
my sx has 193k on it, and it runs pretty good. jsut because a toyota motor has 200k on it does not mean it's stuffed!!
T
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Hey,
yeah true i understand what u mean by the 200k and not being stuffed, but if it did need it in the future, it would be good to know how much it could set me back!
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Fri, 10 October 2003 07:43
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final pricing realy depends on how much work you are going to do yourself, or pay to get someone to do for you.
the pricing i gave you is the price for those parts, that we either have in stock, or can get within 2 hours (bar the gasket set for the beformentioned reason)
T
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Re: Rebuilding 4age 100kw from a SX! Worth it or not?
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Fri, 10 October 2003 13:17
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out of interest .T. where bouts u work??
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