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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
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December 2002
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Book value is BULL$h!7
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Tue, 07 October 2003 09:19
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I was just checking the book value for my car... 12-13K Private sale...
If anybody wants to sell an ST185 Group A in good condition for 12-13K I have the cash here right now waiting ( :
Whats the go with these figures? where do they come from? and what can you do to avoid insurance companies coming up with "market values" which are total crap...
I'm going to get my car privately valuated very shortly!
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Tue, 07 October 2003 09:30
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i bought my gt4 ( 1990 st185r, 196k on the clock - body and drivetrain in VVGC privately for 11.5 ..)
at the time grp A's were around the 18 - 22k mark
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Location:
Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Tue, 07 October 2003 12:05
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Book value on the poopra is apparently 8k
Imagine the kind of shmick(stock) ma61 you could buy for 8 large ones?
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:19
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This is what the Redbook says for the MA61 Supra
1983 TOYOTA SUPRA
MA61 Liftback 2dr Man 5sp 2.8i (Oct onwards)
national average price - private sale* $1,400 - $3,100
price when new (RRP) $24,125
I'll take 2!
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I Supported Toymods
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:20
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See what your car is worth!
www.redbook.com.au
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2003
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:39
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Bull Crap......
1989 TOYOTA SUPRA
64MA71 Hardtop Turbo 2dr Man 5sp 3.0T
trade in price guide* $5,800 - $7,500
national average price - private sale* $7,100 - $9,700
price when new (RRP) $59,900
I'll die before I sell my car for less than $9700. The only figure that I believe there is the new car price.
On another note.... What's the deal with the ma71???? I thought my car was the ma70. 
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I Supported Toymods
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:43
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Sounds like we all should get our cars privately valuated... then bash the insurance companies and make them accept an "agreed value"
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Location:
Brisbane, QLD
Registered:
February 2003
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Location:
Northwestern Sydney
Registered:
August 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:46
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Good to see that TA22's are still worth about half their original show room price 
That's good resale value
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2003
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:48
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heh heh.
Mind you that means I would just have to pay more for insurance..... 
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:50
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I got shafted!
1977 TOYOTA CELICA
RA23 Coupe LT 2dr Auto 3sp 2000
national average price - private sale* $900 - $1,900
price when new (RRP) $6,558
I paid 3500 for mine
I got a bargain for my manual tho
1976 TOYOTA CELICA
RA23 Coupe LT 2dr Man 5sp 2000 (June onwards)
national average price - private sale* $800 - $1,900
price when new (RRP) $5,378
paid 600 for it 
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:04
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The Glasses guide is heaps expensive to purchase... If anyone has access to a copy I wouldn't mind knowing what it says about my car
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I supported Toymods
Location:
melbourne.victoria.austra...
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 06:11
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woooohooo.
my celica cost me $700
with NO rust
red book reckons $700 - $1700
wonder what it would be worth with the 4AGE conversion?
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 06:28
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at least 750 I'd say 
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 10:19
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how crap! it doesnt even take into account canberra cars! 
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 12:00
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WOW 
my car is almost worth more now than when it was new!!!! pity mines a shitbox 
1969 TOYOTA COROLLA
Coupe Sprinter 2dr Man 4sp 1100
national average price - private sale* $700 - $1,700
price when new (RRP) $2,217
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Location:
Ballarat, Victoria
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 12:13
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red book is full of shit, right guys??
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Location:
Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 14:30
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1995 HOLDEN APOLLO
JP Sedan SLX 4dr Auto 4sp 2.2i (Aug onwards)
average kms 135,000 - 165,000
trade in price guide* $4,800 - $6,200
national average price - private sale* $5,900 - $7,900
price when new (RRP) $28,750
Yay.
Mine has 72,000 km's though.
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Wed, 08 October 2003 15:48
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least it even lists your cars
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Location:
Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Thu, 09 October 2003 01:47
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| Jag7799 wrote on Thu, 09 October 2003 01:48 |
least it even lists your cars
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Heh, yea. I know for a fact that the RACQ doesn't even know your car exists either. I tried to get a quote for one once and they had no idea what the gz10 was.
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Thu, 09 October 2003 02:00
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yeah its fucked.. NO-WHERE knows what my car is.. makes life hard haha
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
August 2003
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Re: Book value
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Tue, 14 October 2003 05:17
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1994 TOYOTA CELICA
ST205R Liftback GT4 2dr Man 5sp 4WD 2.0T (Apr onwards)
average kms 115,000 - 140,000
trade in price guide* $24,900 - $28,400
national average price - private sale* $27,600 - $32,500
price when new (RRP) $81,680
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1992 TOYOTA CELICA
ST185R Liftback GT4 Rallye 2dr Man 5sp 4WD 2.0T
trade in price guide* $9,400 - $11,300
national average price - private sale* $10,900 - $13,800
price when new (RRP) $45,460
2 years sure makes a difference. Different beasts I know.
I wonder if they take into account the rarity of a car? The dealer section probably has the real prices so they can sucker us public into under selling our pride and joys. My 0.002 cents.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Book value
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Tue, 14 October 2003 08:21
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Re the St185R - thats pretty much spot on ..
i got mine ( a st185R <- thats what it says on the id plate - 1990 , 192k on the clock - with minor mods - straight and very clean ) for 11K - talked down from $12500.
I was pretty happy with that
Btw - what does that R stand for - anthing specific ?
ive heard a few different stories re the R, RC and CS's after St185 model numbers.
totoal curiousity here and off topic
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
August 2003
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Re: Book value
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Sat, 18 October 2003 07:15
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The R in ST185R means right hand drive.
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Sat, 18 October 2003 07:42
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Whats the go with these figures? where do they come from? and what can you do to avoid insurance companies coming up with "market values" which are total crap...
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Okay, first thing first. Insurance companies DO NOT set 'market value'... consumers do. Red Book and Glass Guide are independent guides comprised of data on ACTUAL sales of motor vehicles by consumers.
The reason that insurance companies use these guides is to stop people bitching about payout figures - the companies do not set the figures - they just work off the figures in the guides they are furnished with (for a fee) by these companies.
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Bull Crap......
1989 TOYOTA SUPRA
64MA71 Hardtop Turbo 2dr Man 5sp 3.0T
trade in price guide* $5,800 - $7,500
national average price - private sale* $7,100 - $9,700
price when new (RRP) $59,900
I'll die before I sell my car for less than $9700. The only figure that I believe there is the new car price.
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Think about how much you paid for your car. Just how far wrong are the figures? I think you're the one who was the wrong perspective.
People seem to base the value of their car off the sum total of their parts, or what other people advertise theirs for. If you were to believe that, my car is worth either $25k (my purchase price plus work I did to it) then my Supra was worth $15k (what I originally advertised it for). Why is it that it was for sale for 3 months and I only had one genuine buyer, and I ended up selling it for 2/10ths of fuck all?
A car is only worth a figure if someone has the money and pays it. And that's where these guides get the figures - the ACTUAL sales.
For anyone who is interested, the Red Book figures are artificially low, and the Glass Guide is generally a more pleasing figure. In my experience, though, many Glass Guide figures are vey high compared to the real world.
If someone wants to make up a list of cars for me, I have access to the latest Glass Guide so I am happy to do some quick research on your cars.
I should also have access to a Motorcycle one, but I think that is a little out of date because I don't really work with that side of the business.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Book value is BULL$h!7
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Sat, 18 October 2003 09:54
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Cheers for the R info !
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