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Does AE85 Exsist
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Thu, 09 October 2003 16:12
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Hi ....
Very stupid to ask but ... one question
I got a cantonese verions of Initial D... and in the Initial D do any of you people still remembered the fatboy's car .. a close friend of the main charater in Initial D.
Apparently my cantonese version saids that... that fatboy's car is an AE85 ... an older verion of levin / trueno ...
I have no idea . The whole point of this is the ask :
"IS THERE SUCH A THING CALLED AE85???"
regaurds
Siggy
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne.victoria.austra...
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June 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Thu, 09 October 2003 21:47
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NZ got these with the 3A if memory serves...
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Thu, 09 October 2003 23:20
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Yup. The Aus spec Sprinter is basically an AE85.
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Thu, 09 October 2003 23:25
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I was under the impression that the AE85 is the coupe version, while the liftback everyone is familiar with is the AE86. Not that I'm an expert on such things...
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 00:37
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Ok so the aus spec one is ae85 why do people still call it an ae86 in australia for their aus spec lolz weird...
Sig
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 01:08
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The Aus-spec Sprinter is an AE86. That's what's printed on the firewall, so that's what it is!
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 01:20
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Yeah, Aus spec Sprinter has AE86 printed on the firewall, but it's basically an AE85...
AE85 had the drum rear and 4A-C amongst other things.
AE86 in Japan had the disc rear and 4A-GE.
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GoldCoast/Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 01:25
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Norbie: The Coupe and Hatch are both still considered AE86.
I think it was something to do with the engine being different.
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July 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 02:41
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The Hachi-Go or AE85 exists ... contrary to what others say, it has a slightly different and weaker chassis. Perhaps the big difference is the fact it had something like a 3TC engine, even less powerful than the 4AC.
"US Market AE8X SR5 and GTS are both designated AE86 for a good reason.
Both have the same uni-body so Toyota needed to get only one set of DOT crash certifications done on the cars, all USA frame is based on the AE86. SR5 on the equipment list however closely resembles a AE85 in Japan, where it came with similar features of less sporty list of equipment.
UEO's car is a AE85, which is structurally less rigid with less reinforcements and certain panels thinner or missing altogether.
Used as it is, it's a much less capable uni-body than that of a AE86, but given the fact that Ueo just based his race car from this frame, he does know that it's also lighter, and reinforcements can be planned and implemented to his specs rather than a pre-existing one. Again, with proper planning and lots of funding, much can be done and the resulting car can hardly be called neither AE86 or 85, but a custom framework which just happened to use the AE85 frame.
From a dinner and long conversation about his project cars, (yes he can go talk forever about his 3 AE86's!!) reveals that pretty much nothing on the car is an AE86...except that his projects always value a naturally aspirated 4A-GE based race engines, and framework that resembles an AE86....perhaps that's the secret to Super AE86's and I guess we can call those projects the 2003 Spec Ae86..."
More info here:
http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46148
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 03:51
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Kewl.
Although I'd like to challenge the validity of the 3TC comment... It'd be a TE85 if it came with a T-series engine...
You might've been thinking of 3A-C?
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May 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 04:02
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Dodgy: When you say uni-body man... do you mean MONOCOCQUE (sp?)
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October 2003
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 04:10
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yes, they do. i live in nz and i used to have one. they came in all models (trueno/levin, hatchback/notchback). have got a s**tty 3a-u 1458 cc carby slow piece of crap. not much power but i did manage to drift it in the wet  . they have got an open diff, k50 gearbox, drum brakes on the rear. thats about all i can think of off the top of my head.
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July 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 05:50
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| Nark wrote on Fri, 10 October 2003 13:51 |
You might've been thinking of 3A-C?
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Could be ... just know it was a '3' something engine, not even a 4AC.
Speedcore, not my words but Moto P's from Club 4AG. That guy has contacts and the means of getting in touch with all the D1 Grand Prix drivers. He is good mates with Akira Iida who owns an AE86 built for $100k - for that price, you get one hell of an AE86 with a one of a kind Group A spec 20 valve engine. Talk about a 'real' Takumi.
Doubt it's a monococque - Ueo's car still uses AE86 panels but the doors are fibreglass or something. You actually see the doors flex out leaving a 5cm gap between the body & door whilst the car is going sideways in those OPTION videos. 
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Melbourne
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November 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Fri, 10 October 2003 08:02
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The aus spec sprinter is DEFINITELY an ae86. A lot of people have this misconception that it is an ae85.
The chassis is different, as haro already highlighted. Ae86s have mcperson struts. ae85 does not. the 86 sports a 4a and t series engine and gear box mounts. The aus spec has this. THere is simply no way that it is anything near an ae85. (with 3au and k series gearbox).
However, one can be forgiven for thinkin the aus spec is an ae85 in the fact that.
1. People have said the car is underpowered.
2. It's got an open diff (like the ae85)
3. The interior and fittings is of an ae85.
4. The car looks like an 'un-panda' levin (like itsukis), and so those whoever watches initial d seems to think anything levin is ae85 (until they watch second stage wataru  ).
The ae85 and ae86 are not older or newer. They are parrallel models. The exterior and interior panels and bits are EXACTLY the same.
rock on.
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May 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Sun, 12 October 2003 13:31
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Had a look on the Data Plates of the 2 Corolla coupe's in the Museum at Bathurst, both were AE86'ers. So we had Coupe and Liftback both with AE86 designation.
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Toymods Social Secretary
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July 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Sun, 12 October 2003 13:53
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why is there so much talk of a cartoon as being fact about a real car?
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Melbourne
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Sun, 12 October 2003 15:23
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By the way, there are such things as ae85 truenos.
They did come in two tones, though not the popular panda or black/red.
bottom line, ae85 was just the budget model of the 86. It's for people who wanted the looks, but didn't want to shell out for a hachiroku.
rock on.
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November 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Mon, 13 October 2003 15:38
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Ae86s have mcperson struts. ae85 does not. the 86 sports a 4a and t series engine and gear box mounts.
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WTF!?!
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Perth
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August 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Tue, 14 October 2003 11:55
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yeh i have a ae85 trueno.
it had the 3au auto in it originally.
az
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Location:
Lynnwood, Wa USA
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Finland
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November 2002
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Wed, 15 October 2003 12:42
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I dont think that there was ever anything in the Corolla, Sprinter, and Trueno market without McPherson style suspension setup.
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Doesnt some 110-series Levin (or woteva) have superstrut suspension?
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Wed, 15 October 2003 14:37
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Wow haven't been here for a few days ... my trend become so technical lol ...
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was adelaide now newcastle
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February 2003
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Re: Does AE85 Exsist
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Thu, 16 October 2003 21:24
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i find it unusual that toyota would make two seperate chassis for 86 and 85, surely it would cost more to run two seperate production lines, not to mention the extra engineering involved etc, as for front suspension, prob diff springs but thats all ill believe, the dead give away for an 85 is the clutch cable which can bee seen exiting the fire wall, near the brake booster, bar that everything else bolts in the same as an 86.
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