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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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use crown ms123 rear hubs and rotors (uses stock ma61 caliipers)
i just havent written the article yet 
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 14 October 2003 01:28
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Whhhooooowwwweeeee Now I can get a decent selection of mags. Thanks god Ford took a long time to realise that minimal offset is crappy in most suspension geometry terms. 
Thanks Ed, I was hoping that it was something really simple
Next question is, what year was the MS123 Crown, and how hard is it to get the parts ?
Front hubs are easy to change, but what are the rears like ?
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 14 October 2003 01:38
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You'll need to take the rear trailing arms of both the MS123 and the MA61 and get the hubs pressed off them. You'll then need to get the MS123 hubs pressed onto the MA61 trailing arms.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 14 October 2003 02:31
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Cheers for that Ed and Frank.
Now the fun part will be to find a MS123 and do some serious damage.
Anyone know of the location of one, particularly in Adelaide ???
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Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 14 October 2003 04:31
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This makes me very happy, I always see nice wheels on E-series Falcon. Namely Simmons with a huge shiney rim, and i always see them for sale in the trading post.
Now I don't have to fight to get the 2 remaining sets of 4x114.3 in a low offset. 
Big thanks to all who did all the leg work.
Daniel
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Tue, 14 October 2003 05:59
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Here here.
Makes the availability of new or 2nd hand rims much easier !!!!
Now to find a damned MS123
Ed and Frank,
I am assuming that they (MS123)are IRS as well, so does the whole rear subframe need to be removed, or just the outer arms ?
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Michael B
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Tue, 14 October 2003 06:22
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Should just be the rear trailing arms (wishbone looking things), they should unbolt.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 14 October 2003 22:24
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Hi Frank and Ed,
Cruised around to our local friendly (if not expensive) Toyota wrecker, and lo and behold, a MS123. A late '89 model, and may be a Royale
They want $220 per rear swing arm (without discs), $45 each for the rear discs, and $75 each for the front hubs including discs, but will knock off $130 for cash, making it $550 in total. Good price ?
Also, does the whole swing arm swap over ? Rather than press the hubs out, does it or does it not fit ?
Also is the diff useable/interchangeable in the Supra ? Mind you the ratio is a bit high being a F282 (4.30:1)
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Tue, 14 October 2003 22:31
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the diff will be useable but its a single spinner not LSD.
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Tue, 14 October 2003 22:35
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Thanks RA40,
I realised it was a single spinner, but needed confirmation that it is a source of spare gearsets, as it may be handy swap for some hilclimb or track work as a welded centre 
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Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 14 October 2003 23:17
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On top of my earlier query re the price etc, I now have another couple of questions.
Having just fully read the full Tech article, I would like clarification on some points ;
- MS110 and MS123 fron hus - the same ?
- Are MS65's REALLY rare, or just rare ?
- To summarise : Use MA65 front hubs and deal with the disc offset one way or another and use MA61 bearings, or MS123 hubs and sleeve the spindle to take the MS123 bearings ?
Hopefully this amkes sense, as I want to clarify prior to spending money.
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Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:03
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Wed, 15 October 2003 08:24 |
They want $220 per rear swing arm (without discs), $45 each for the rear discs, and $75 each for the front hubs including discs, but will knock off $130 for cash, making it $550 in total. Good price ?
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crikey - remind not to go to that wrecker...
i paid $60 for the whole rear swingarm assemby inc hubs, but no discs or brakes
and btw - you DONT want ms123/112 front huubs, you want ms65 front hubs, these are the only ones that really work without modification.
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Also, does the whole swing arm swap over ? Rather than press the hubs out, does it or does it not fit ?
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no it doesnt just swap over - you must press the hubs out.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:06
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Wed, 15 October 2003 09:17 |
- MS110 and MS123 fron hus - the same ?
- Are MS65's REALLY rare, or just rare ?
- To summarise : Use MA65 front hubs and deal with the disc offset one way or another and use MA61 bearings, or MS123 hubs and sleeve the spindle to take the MS123 bearings ?
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- close but not identical - cant remember exactly
- rare, they are aound, just gotta go looking (ps i paid $40 for my pair of front hubs)
- correct... and also from memory (is it in the article?) you should be able to get away with using ms112 front rotors on the ms65 hubs and stil use the stock ma61 caipers..
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:15
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Hi Ed,
Thanks a lot for the info and extra clarification.
I thought the prices were pretty high, but good to get clarification on exactly how high (This is also the same wrecker that has a good MA61 that they are going to charge someone $2200 for a front nose cut, front guards and 4 wheel arch flares !!!!)
Bugger about the swingarms not being interchangeable 
I'll tee up with the missus to go have a search at our local pick a part wrecker to see what I can find.
I'm planning on doing a large brake upgrade (with Nissan 4 pot calipers) as well later, so the depth of the front hub disc mount is not really a problem.
I'd like to see what your mounting bell looks like for your planned discs. Keep in touch and write that article
Thanks again
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Michael B
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:28
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ive got a CAD of the mounting hat (bell) to run on the ms65 hubs, for use with Wilwood ultralite 32 vane, 310x32mm rotors (am using st205 GT4 celica 4piston calipers)
ill dig it up at home and post it later
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:34
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I bought my set of MS65 hubs for $40 (or was it $60?) I was lucky, some guy had been advertising Crown parts in the quokka for months.
I've got the CAD for the rotor, but I can't host squat at the moment...
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:46
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Looks like I'll have a bit of looking ahead of me, but I am in no hurry
Thanks for the help again
I'll look forward to the CAD file when someone finds it
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Michael B
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:49
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Whats your e-mail dude, I've got it, but Telstra is royally fucked atm so I can't host it...
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:53
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michael.bachmann@holden.com.au
Depending on what rims I put on, will depend on the size discs that I fit. It is likely that I will fit 17"x8" and 235/45x17's as they are readily available with a 94 load rating and they are theoretically only 0.9% bigger in diameter.
What are your's and Ed's plans ?
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 01:57
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16x8 (if i can find some cheaply one day)
225/50/16 or 235/45/16
can *just* squeeze 310mm rotors and calipers under them (depending on wheel design)...
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 02:00
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My plan is to initially fit my Rays on as well, they have 5-stud as well, together with ~290mm discs and Subaru 2-piston calipers. Time will tell, I'm still working on the plans for some of it
Later on I'm probably going to go for some 16x7" wheels, but 15" tyres suit my uni student tyre budget 
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Wed, 15 October 2003 02:08
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The mags I wanted to go with were Performance Superlites in 16x7", and I could get these in 4 x 114.3 with +12mm offset (so far priced at $240 per rim new), but the problem is that I have only found 1 tyre with a 94 or greater load rating in 225/50x16, and that was a V550 Yokohama for about $240 per tyre !!!!!!!
I personally have some 285 x 28mm Alcon discs and really schmick mounting hats (bells) to suit that would be more than ample with the 300Zx 4 pot calipers in 16" rims (can't insert a pic tho ????)
Sorry Nathan, can't open the file that you sent re the hats 
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 02:15
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Ed, what program did you make the CAD file in again?
Why do you require a tyre with 94+ load rating?
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 02:16
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youll need turboCAD to open it (its a CAD file)
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 02:24
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I'm keen to see some pics guys when you get your new rims on, should be pretty yummy
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Wed, 15 October 2003 02:32
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Hehe, oh, ok... I don't own an MA61 From memory the Celica XX was lower, my RA60 was only something like 86 going off the tyre placard and the XX was only a little higher.
I don't think you'll find something to exceed the speed rating, the load rating is a little stupid, does everyone here ACTUALLY have tyres with a load rating more than that?
OMG, he has returned!
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Fri, 17 October 2003 05:35
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Hey Ed and Frank,
I might have located some MS65 front hubs, for $25 each no less, but they are off a 1974 model, rather than '72 ? Is this an issue ?
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Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Fri, 17 October 2003 05:51
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Is the model number exactly MS65? If they are different they are likely to have a different revision number (the 5)
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Fri, 17 October 2003 05:54
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Not sure, I'm waiting for the guy to ring me back, and if it looks promising, I'll head down there on Saturday to have a look/buy if it is right.
So if it is MS65, then '72 - '74 is OK ?
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Fri, 17 October 2003 05:57
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Try to just work off the model number as opposed to the year. If Toyota change something mechanically they usually change the revision number.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Fri, 17 October 2003 06:17
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print off the bearing diagrams on my site and take a pair of vernier calipers with you - whatever the hell the hubs are off, verniers are the only way to see if theyll actually fit or ot
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Sun, 19 October 2003 22:18
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Hi guys,
Headed down to the yard on Sunday morning, and the sight of 4  , trhats right, 4 MS65's greeted me
First one had no hubs left , the second one had DRUMS  , but the third and 4th ones were complete , but not for much longer.
Now have 4 hubs at the princely sum of $11 each Will still have to double check the bearing diameters as per Ed's comment though, but they look OK
No MS123's though, but found another source for the rear hubs - guy reckons that he'll do the pair for $250 instead of the normal $300. Getting closer, but not quite close enough.
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Michael B
[Updated on: Sun, 19 October 2003 22:18]
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 20 October 2003 02:53
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Hi Str8 2.8,
225/50's are the recommended to keep the same rolling dia as the 225/60x14's. (only 0.9% difference in revs/mile).
The 225/55x16's are about 4.5% larger, and tend not to be as performance oriented.
Heaps of 225/60x16's are available as well, but most are typicallty 92 load rated - will attempt to get the engineer to include this in his calcs as aprt of the conversion
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 20 October 2003 02:56
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i see, cheers matey
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 00:52
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Hey Ed,
Finally managed to source my MS123 rear hubs for the conversion.
$75 each, and that is with the hubs pressed out saves me doing it !!!!!!
I have now got the front hubs, rear hubs, a spare MA61 front strut and MA61 Trailing arms, so here we go .....
Pored over the DBA catalogue last night and worked out a disc combo that should give me 330mm front rotors (28 or 30mm thick with curved vanes) and 294/300 rears.
BBK here we go 
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Mon, 01 December 2003 03:25
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noice!
i too have now sourced an ma61 rear end, and struts also (damn ra60 i dont think will work - too much offset, despite the camber)
what front rotors have you decided upon?
rears- i thought was a bit of a hassle considering the handbrake drum size. i was just content with using the stock ms123 rear rotors what di you decide upon?
let me know how you go getting the rear hubs into the ma61 traling arms. ive not dont it yet and look forward to seeing how it goes 
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 03:29
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I'll also be watching your progress with a keen eye. I'm buying a set of 5-stud wheels so I definitely need to do this conversion in the near future! I know where I can get MS123 rear hubs/brakes and I think I've found a set of MS65 front hubs so hopefully I'll be ready to go soon.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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noice!
what front rotors have you decided upon?
rears- i thought was a bit of a hassle considering the handbrake drum size. i was just content with using the stock ms123 rear rotors what di you decide upon?
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There is a variety of Rotors, but one of the main pairs is for the MA71 Supra and are DBA718A/B (I think, I have it all scribbled down at home ) My main constraint is to minimise machining/drilling of the rotor and to have the right thickness for the 300ZX calipers
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let me know how you go getting the rear hubs into the ma61 traling arms. ive not dont it yet and look forward to seeing how it goes
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Bugger, I knew there was something that was going to suff me up  Normally the DBA catalogue lists them as internal drums when they are, but didn't and the thought raced through my mind as I was searching. Not having had a good look at the calipers, I assumed that they might actually clamp on the disc as per Mitsi Scorpion.
Back to the drawing board......
The rear upgrade was a nice to have to help balance the fronts, but if it is too hard, I'll just keep the standard rotors but get slotted ones.
What does Jim King do for his ?
I'll try and keep you posted
PS Ed, you mentioned that the MS65 hubs had a greater offset for where the front disc mounts, but from rough measurements, they appears the same as the MS65's ?
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 04:26
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in a word(s), "brake bias adjustment valve"
disc offset?
i cant excatly remeber, sorry
re: rear handbrake drum, i think youll find the ms123 rotors are the esiest option, and if youre keen, just upgrade the caliper
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 04:34
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MA61 has a 167mm internal drum hand brake. The Celica ST205 rear rotor is 170mm and the Mercedes 500SL rear rotor is 165mm. It's quite easy to just get the MA61 internal drum shoes radius ground to 165mm.
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Mon, 01 December 2003 04:57
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Thanks for the info Mr Tomato !!!
If anything, I prefer to keep things standard as it saves on cost and hassle, but then again, how often do you replace handbrake shoes ?
I'll have another study of the DBA catalogue again
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 05:56
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Oh, you won't find that info in the DBA manual. That came from my trusty Vernier calipers.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Guys I've done the conversion and I've been driving on it for about a year. I have to say the front is no problem whatsoever but the rears I'm not happy with. Because of the extra width of the ms123 drums it narrows down the purchase on the studs and it also doesn't fit quite right on the handbrake side of things. It also makes the calipers hard up against the disc because of the extra width and I had to space mine out about 1mm to stop the handbrake shoes from locking the rear wheels in place. I'm going to order some ma61 rear discs from DBA and ask that they drill them in 5x114.3 stud pattern as this is the only way I know that I can eliminate these problems. DBA will do this won't they?????
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Mon, 01 December 2003 10:34
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Those prices are ludicrous. I paid about 1/3 of that for a COMPLETE rear end from an IRS Toyota - the whole damn lot!
There is an MS123 locally (Brisbane) but by the time you pay postage it will be quite expensive anyway.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 11:53
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MA61 rear rotors are only available as 4 x 114.3mm. I tried getting some as undrilled blanks abut 18 months ago with no luck. DBA informed me that they only come as drilled rotors.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 14:04
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Ed,
I did the conversion as you suggested and it all goes together ok in relation to the bearings and the hubs etc. The problem lies with the crown discs being a greater depth than the supra ones. They go on but I had to put some washers in to space the disc off the hand brake shoes otherwise it would lock it up. This spacing then pushes the disc onto the outer side of the brakes caliper(just). The greater depth of the crown discs givess you a lot less threads on the wheel studs which can be cured by fitting longer studs but for me that means getting it all pressed off again which means new bearings $$$. Basically it gets them on there and it's 5 stud but it's not as good as getting supra discs in 5 stud which would solve everything. However the fronts are 100% so no one should have problems there. I hope you don't think I'm being pedantic but the clunkiness off the handbrake and hearing the rear brakes operating is a bit annoying. If I can't get DBA to drill up some 5 stud I think I'll go to a custom set up.
Rich
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Mon, 01 December 2003 20:37
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Rich,
Thanks for the feedback on this, it will help us all out a lot. It is great to have a pioneer somewhere along the way
Will definitely look at longer studs before putting it all together.
Regarding the rear drums, does anyone (particularly those that own a MA70) know if the rear discs have small internal drums for handbrakes and if so, what size ?
Gianttomato : One of ther reasons why I didn't look at the Merc and Celica rotors for the rear is that of the stud pattern issue. Having to redrill rotors or try and get them blank is a PITA. If you can get it in 5 x 114.3, then it is easier from there already
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Gianttomato : One of ther reasons why I didn't look at the Merc and Celica rotors for the rear is that of the stud pattern issue. Having to redrill rotors or try and get them blank is a PITA. If you can get it in 5 x 114.3, then it is easier from there already
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Mercedes uses 5 x 112 PCD. 0.65mm can be solved with file. I have considered Mercedes rotors especially Vito rotors which look suitable. I have RS-50 front hubs.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 02 December 2003 00:40
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Mike,
the DBA part number for the rotor I was considering was DBA285. They are from a W140 series 500 and 600SEL. The spigot hole is 67mm - identical to the MS123 hub requirement.
As Jayem stated, the Merc PCD is 112 x 5, so all you need to do is enlarge the stud holes by 3 mm and the rotor is a direct fit.
However, the internal drum diameter is 165mm and about two thirds of the way in the drum diameter becomes a bit smaller. This will require modification of the internal drum shoes. Firstly, you will need to radius grind the shoes down to a diameter of 165mm - easy. Secondly, you will need to reduce the width of the shoes so that they are able to work within the 165mm drum section of the rotor - this is also easy but requires a degree of fucking around. I would not machine out the step - it is there to add strength to the hat.
In the end, I decided my underpowered 4M sedan didn't need 330 mm front brakes AND 300 mm rears, so I just settled on the vented MA61 rotors redrilled to suit.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 02 December 2003 03:04
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You can still use the original caliper at the rear with the Merc rotor! Don't let the 4 mm worry you.
If you look at your MA61 caliper, you will see that it splits into 2. What I have done on a separate occasion is get a spacer made to make split the 2 halves slightly wider. In this case the spacer will need to be 4mm thick (22 - 18 = 4) The construction of this spacer is very simple as there need only needs to be a hole to allow the fixing bolt to go thru (there are no fluid channels). I had 4 spacers made and it cost me a total of $20. I also used slightly longer high tensile bolts and got some pad securing pins made.
At the front I used Mustang Cobra 330 x 28mm rotors with AP Racing CP5200 4 spots. It pulls up OK.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 02 December 2003 03:53
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Oh, cool (re the rear caliper).
The Mustang Rotors were another one on my list of possible candidates.
I'm not surprised that it pulls the car up nicely !!!!! What problems if any did you encounter with the brake balance ?
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Michael B
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Tue, 02 December 2003 03:57
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None. I fitted an Tilton adjustable brake bias valve into the line to the rears. It is illegal to have such a valve fitted in cabin, but it's OK to have it mounted in the engine bay. Obviously I removed the factory one.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 02 December 2003 04:07
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Front rotors:
Corvette C5 (DBA067A and B) is another rotor you should consider. I never researched it heavily but the the other one that looks good (on paper anyway) is the Lancer Evo V, VI, VII front rotor (DBA4418).
Some of the HSV stuff looked promising too, but from memory it needed to float on top of the hub rather than be bolted to the back, necessitating longer studs.
Keep in mind that anything over 300mm in diameter comes with a rather hefty price tag. Research your options! Digicam, Verniers and a little notepad will take you a long way.
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 02 December 2003 04:17
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and I'll bet those AP racing calipers were bloody cheap too 
why not just go the whole hog and grab the 6-spots?
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5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
