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I supported Toymods
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 Driving lights legality NSW
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Wed, 15 October 2003 12:36
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I just spent about an hour on the RTA site.. i don't think i found anything that helped - but its got to be the most confusing website in the western world, so i cant be sure. 
From what I can gather, they are just a driver certified thing, and the only restriction on the legality of driving lights (NOT fog lights) is that they must be wired so they can't be on unless your high-beams are on? I've seen stuff about 600mm apart, 300-700mm off ground, but i think that's fog lights only.
Can anyone confirm or deny these allegations?
cheers,
Nick
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Wed, 15 October 2003 13:05
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My VX Calais has driving lights from factory.
If driving lights were illegal, do you think GMH would be supplying them on standard cars?
I think common sense must come into play if a direct law on the RTA website can't be found. If you have driving lights that cause accidents because they are so bright they blind oncoming drivers, I think the police might show some interest in your setup. Other than that, they seem to be a fairly standard accessory.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Wed, 15 October 2003 13:21
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you can have extra 'driving lights' hooke dup to your high beams, but high beams are generally illegal to use in built up areas..
the issue is that many ppl have the low mounted 'driving lights' hooked up to their low beams, and they create too much light that strays toward driver eye level.
LOL, there is an issue about the legality of either falcon or commodore 'driving lights' on one of the last models... they are actually too bright to be parking lights, and too low to be headlights, so can only be called 'driving lights'.
a number of ppl have been booked for having them on, even tho they are woired up from factory to go with the low beams.
the manufacturer had said that they would not accept responsibility for tickets issued for the lights....
afaik, low beam can consist of only two 55w lights, and high beam is meant to be limited to 60W per globe (so those 90-120W globes sold at K-mart are in fact illegal)
anyhoo,
Cya, Stewart
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Wed, 15 October 2003 13:28
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But in theory you would need a new relay to run those higher wattage globes.
Independantly switched driving lights are illegal.
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I supported Toymods
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Gawler, SA
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Wed, 15 October 2003 13:40
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Parents Calais have had quite a few warnings about having the driving lights on even though they came standard with the car. Just because they came on the car doesnt me your allowed to use them, according to the police anyway...
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February 2003
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Wed, 15 October 2003 13:44
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i think a lot of folks confuse 'driving lights' with 'fog lamps'. One is a spot light, the other is a coloured, wide-angle flood lamp with minimal vertical dispertion.
In Qld, only 'fog lamps' can be wired to power up on low-beam - but should only be used in rain/fog to increase safety and visibility (of your car and objects on the road). they're not be used in general driving conditions.
i'm not sure how many of youz folk drive around the burbs with super bright fog/driving lamps on, but it pisses me off. They produce massive amounts of (dangerous) glare. Most of the lights wired up as 'fog lamps' are just cheap-as-shit halogens floods from supacheap/kmart/other.
Seeing as a lot up of drive sportz cars with seats lower to the ground than usual cars, we're already more likely to be blinded by pooly adjusted headlghts - please don't add to that light pollution with irritating mini-floodlights.
charles.
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Sydeny
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Wed, 15 October 2003 14:56
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Just briefly. These lights you talk about are not illegal to the best of my knowledge, its just when they are used at the wrong times. I have been told that its not an offence to have these lights on during the day, but they will attract a fine if used at night.
The offence is something about the lights dazzling other drivers and this is obviously more so at night. I think most of the people who drive around with these lights on, would be for looks only. And I agree, I think they look good when on. But not at night.
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Thu, 16 October 2003 01:57
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Anyone who drives with fog lights on when there is no fog deserves to be shot. Worst offenders imho, excel drivers. The roundy excels that where a dime a dozen at one stage have rear fog lights that the idiot drivers don't even know exist, and more then 50% of them I'd say have them on with their low beams. Makes it freaking impossible to see when the have their brakes on when you're following them 
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Thu, 16 October 2003 02:17
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why use any lights at all when its not dark? 
you see people driving around with there lights on during the day and think what a fkn tool.
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Toymods Club Treasurer
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Thu, 16 October 2003 02:29
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What's the problem with driving with lights on during the day. My car is silver & when out on the highway, its almost invisible without some lights on (usually my fog lights).
There are stats that prove it is safer.
I always have my front fogs on, mainly because the headlights aren't that good & I like to be able to see where I'm going. Plus I make sure they're aimed properly so as not to blind others.
Spotlights, driving lights, or high beam are not illigal to use in built up areas, just in the vicinity of other vehicles.
I agree with the rear fog light pain. My car has one but it doesn't have a permanent switch (ie when lights are turned off & then back on, the rear fog doesn't automatically switch back on) I usually "flash" mine at offenders after I've passed them. I think the only success I've had with this method was from a BMW driver.
Says something about the mental capacity of Excel drivers. 
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Thu, 16 October 2003 02:35
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Do you seriously think it makes a differnce to visability during the day?
Unless its real early in the morning and the suns just coming up or its starting to get dark at night i cant see the point in having them on, ohh well each to there own (im not starting a debate here)
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Toymods Club Treasurer
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Re: Driving lights legality NSW
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Thu, 16 October 2003 02:44
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Green & Silver cars are the worst to be seen during the day because of shadows & reflection of sunlight.
It mainly occurs on the highway where you're travelling at high speed through trees.
Around town its pretty pointless though.
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