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have honda finally made a second decent car?
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Tue, 21 October 2003 01:13
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http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/0310_hscpr eview/
successor to the nsx apparrently - I dont know what the world is coming to when honda puts out a decent sports car
all I want to know is - where is the supra mkV ?
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Tue, 21 October 2003 01:35
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thats really cool
but i dont understand u tho, they have been building civics for years...
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Tue, 21 October 2003 01:52
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he's a comedian!
I like the front, but not sure whats going on down the back end, looks alittle funny from that angle imho
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Tue, 21 October 2003 02:10
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To answer the question, no.
We all know what a POS the NSX was.
The first incarnation of NSX was available with auto. In a Modern Motor magazine from the time, we were intrigued to find that the auto NSX was in fact 0.1 second slower over the quarter mile than a V6 VN Commodore. These times were not from a direct head to head test but merely times quoted from 2 different tests in the same issue. The Commodore was nearly $180000 cheaper (new VN Commodore 30000, new auto NSX 210000). $180000 buys a lot of suspension mods.........
It is hard to believe that this vehicle will be some giant leap forwards. Look at the S2000.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 02:13
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Honda HSC?
Sounds like a Japanese high school exam.
I prefer NSX, Sounds more like a rock band.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 02:18
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"it dont cure ugly!"
guess the quote 
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Tue, 21 October 2003 08:59
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has anyone got any hints on the Mk5 Supra ?
ive heard V8 mentioned - not 2J ?
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Tue, 21 October 2003 09:02
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Its likely to have a V8 although if it wants to go GTR bashing it might need turbo(s). Would be awesome if it was as sexy as the Mk4, maybe I can buy my first new car 
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Tue, 21 October 2003 09:33
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Whats the bet that the " excitement team " at toyota australia dont pick it up - in favour of a Sportivo Avalon with a bigger wing - and 15 inch " sports wheels "
F*Ckers at toyota have No idea how to get an exciting car to Australia since about 1994 ( group A wrc gt4 st205 - the last AUSTRALIAN delivered toyota hero car )..
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Tue, 21 October 2003 09:39
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If Nissan brings in the GTR which they're planning to as their "world" icon car, then hopefully Toyota Australia wont have a choice
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Tue, 21 October 2003 09:57
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The 37th Tokyo Motor Show opens to the public on Saturday, October 25,
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That's when the Mark V is unveiled.. toyota's keeping it real hush until then.
To all you honda haters.. stupid civic owners have tarnished their name, they brought variable timing to the consumer market and their vehicles handle brilliantly and they do all this without forced induction.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:02
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| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 19:33 |
Whats the bet that the " excitement team " at toyota australia dont pick it up - in favour of a Sportivo Avalon with a bigger wing - and 15 inch " sports wheels "
F*Ckers at toyota have No idea how to get an exciting car to Australia since about 1994 ( group A wrc gt4 st205 - the last AUSTRALIAN delivered toyota hero car )..
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I just have to say that I agree 100% with this post. Toyota Australia have been on crack for so long it is so hard to tell they are serious. Just like the latest rally bred Toyota ads (all with the above GT4s running gear grafted in) are all bullshit so are most of the thinkers at Toyota Australia. No wonder Nissan is just going nuts in the sub 80k sports class.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:06
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Id happily have a Integra type R - or a Civic type R - they seem pretty neat little weapons, and my Ta22 had honda seats ( meeeega comfy ! ) - BUT i loathe the type R wannabe's - they So tarnish the image of honda !
honda should create an " anti ricer " league with mitsubishi - and rid the world of plastic monstrocities !
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:07
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toyota should never have stopped focusing on rally and going to F1.. the consumers havent really seen the benefits of it.
pissed me off 
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:11
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Excactly - the current celica in WRC gear would have slayed the others , and looked the part ..
that body Screams " give me 3sgte and all wheel drive "
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:23
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| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 20:11 |
Excactly - the current celica in WRC gear would have slayed the others , and looked the part ..
that body Screams " give me 3sgte and all wheel drive "
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amen brother, but i guess im preaching to the converted..
the Mark V better be real special or fists will be flying (not that i'd be able to afford one anyway  )
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:57
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| speakafreaka wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 19:57 |
To all you honda haters.. stupid civic owners have tarnished their name, they brought variable timing to the consumer market and their vehicles handle brilliantly and they do all this without forced induction.
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Thankyou for being a Toyota lover that also likes Hondas and what they stand for!
Classique71: As for creating a "anti-ricer" league..........watch this space......... the G/F civic will be being unveiled early next year.
She is pissed at other honda civics with chromes and altessa's trying to race her in their Cxi. Its funny to watch from my Starlet when I sit behind her and watch her hose off ricers, both from the honda and mitsu stable, guys in V6 commies and 2 BA's.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:34
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| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 19:22 |
If i see one type R sticker though - that gets thrown out the window !
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C'mon, at least let her off if she gets a B16B Civic Type R engine
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:45
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Ahhh !
but does that mean , if i get a st205 WRC group A motor for my Gt4 - i can put " group A stickers " on it ???
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:49
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As long as it has the go to match the show. Your car is likely to handle better than a factory ST205 Group A, and it'll have the better engine, personally I think you've earnt it.
Its not as if you've just stuck the stickers on without doing something to warrant it. I don't mind small tasteful stickers if they're there for a purpose...like people who fit a small TRD badge cos they have an actual TRD performance mod (ie. LSD) have earnt it, whereas people who've fitted a TRD oil cap dont
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:58
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Hmms - it would be interestng to see if mine Could out handle a group A - its had enough $$'s thrown at that department ..
Re motorwise - well it Should have more poke then a group A by works end - and it will have a trd Shortshift kit 
CAn i have a TRD sticker , to put next to the " koni improved " one on it now ..
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Tue, 21 October 2003 12:34
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Thats what I meant, with that suspension and tyre package it should out-handle a Group A. The only thing that may let your car down would be the driveline...doesn't the Group A ST205 have a tricky LSD diff?
I think it would be safe to say a small TRD badge would be warranted if you had one of their short shift kits.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 12:41
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Asked neal bates Atomotiove about that same question - te rear diffs are IDENTICAL in the aus spec gt4s , and the group A's
tehior front diff has a different ration , that comes with the shorter range group A gearbox ..
Im getting one of these BTW - as soon as it becomes available from a friend ..
So in all - ill basically have upspecced group A running gear , but in the standard st185 widebody shell
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Tue, 21 October 2003 12:43
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And you will have yourself a Group A eater An ST185 would weigh less also right?
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Tue, 21 October 2003 12:51
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Actually - it weighs more than a 205 and a 165 ..
About 100 odd Kg ..
Im trying to trim it down a bit .. reckon so far ive shaved about 50kg + off it with the group a bumper ( alum mount bar instead of steel ) and lighter alloy wheels ( at least 5kg lighter per corner )
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Tue, 21 October 2003 12:55
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as for group A eater - i know of 3 of those group A's that ill still play second fiddle to in this club
Anhar , Justen , Gary
Still - i dont mind having a tough as nails up there with em st185
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Tue, 21 October 2003 13:11
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I hope the new supra will be something "better" than this.
Seems too sophisticated, too clean and otherwise pretty impersonal.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 13:22
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These are the ones ive seen.. i dont think it will look anything like it, and im hoping its going to be a lot different from that batmobile concept ugly thing at the motorshow
Im hoping for a 3UZ-GTE in it.. but ill probably be disappointed.
As toyota's flagship supercar, it should be equally as outrageous as the V35 skyline GTR, and the above HSC.
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Tue, 21 October 2003 13:52
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the Mark V better be real special or fists will be flying (not that i'd be able to afford one anyway )
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yeah AND so that the Mark III comes down in price haha
I have been constantly disappointed with toyotas offerings of late. They make such reliable cars with good quality engineering, but always in australia especially, the cars fall far short of crossing the line into a truly fun and innovative car.
They have rightfully been accused of the modern manufacturer of automotive whitegoods.
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Wed, 22 October 2003 00:18
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has anyone seen the concept for the toyota "super sports"... was in a hpi mag ages ago.. it looks pretty nice.. sorta like a lambo
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Wed, 22 October 2003 01:49
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its true what they say, history repeats itself
looks like insurance and consumer idiocy is going to be the modern day equivalent to the petrol crisis in the mid 70's that got rid of all the american muscle cars.
i mean c'mon how can u compare a naturally athsmatic 3.5 litre V6 to a VVT-i 2JZ-GTE?
JZA80 = last of the japanese muscle cars? anyone agree?
shopping list for future
1x post 97 JZA80 RZ
1x spare 2JZ-GTE
1x spare getrag
1x garage to hide it all away in
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Wed, 22 October 2003 02:00
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Apparently the first nsx was brillant. I read an article in the Motor mag the other month and they were saying that it is still one of the best "super cars" around.
But on the topic of the Supra, it had better be good. It's pretty hard to get better than the mkIV. But we will have to see.
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Wed, 22 October 2003 02:09
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Toyota needs to aim the Mk5 Supra at the GTR and not the 350Z, THEN we might end up with a decent one. I wouldn't even mind if it had a vvti 3UZFE.
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Wed, 22 October 2003 02:23
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if its in the same market as the 350z then ill lose all respect for toyota
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Wed, 22 October 2003 02:26
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LOL nah no Type R sticker for her, sorry to dissapoint you guys but the car will have no SHOW just GO..... that is how she wants to spend money on it!
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| SPEEDCORE wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 12:26 |
LOL nah no Type R sticker for her, sorry to dissapoint you guys but the car will have no SHOW just GO..... that is how she wants to spend money on it!
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speedy - sounds like she has her head screwed on right
good luck with the mods!
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 12:09 |
Toyota needs to aim the Mk5 Supra at the GTR and not the 350Z, THEN we might end up with a decent one. I wouldn't even mind if it had a vvti 3UZFE.
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couldn't agree more. toyota have always aimed the supra at the Z series, with the ma61 going head to head with the 280zx, the ma70/71 with the old 300zx, and the jza80 with the z32 300zx.
i want a gt-r killer
also what you said about ricer stickers: i agree as well, if' you've got a mean car (ie GT-R, JZA80 etc...) and it does have the stuff your stickers suggest, then good... same for ridiculous and fancy bodykits, go is more important than show...
which can be made example of when i race some excels and lancers with body kits and they barely even flog me....(they win tho)...
and i really hope they dont fuck up the front of the new supra. its gotta look fat, like the mkIV.  \
/end rant
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Wed, 22 October 2003 03:58
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ive got nothing against nice bodykitted cars..
but when a muger sticker goes diagonally up the car and the text is about 20 inches high and its a stock civic.. .welll lets kill them all... lol jokes
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Wed, 22 October 2003 05:19
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| speakafreaka wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 21:22 |
These are the ones ive seen.. i dont think it will look anything like it, and im hoping its going to be a lot different from that batmobile concept ugly thing at the motorshow
Im hoping for a 3UZ-GTE in it.. but ill probably be disappointed.
As toyota's flagship supercar, it should be equally as outrageous as the V35 skyline GTR, and the above HSC.
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I don't mind the back and side of this, but not the front 
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Wed, 22 October 2003 05:20
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back and side look tanky.. front looks like shit
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Wed, 22 October 2003 06:21
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side looks like a slightly squashed mk4 crosed with one of those hyundai coupe things with all the weird angles - but I kinda like it
needs to be a bit more sleek tho
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Wed, 22 October 2003 06:23
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it's prolly wide as, but from the front it looks like it needs to be wider, lower, and push those lights further to the extremities of the car
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Wed, 22 October 2003 07:19
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they should just make it look exactly like the AB Flung kit for the mk4 supra.
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Wed, 22 October 2003 08:33
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 12:09 |
Toyota needs to aim the Mk5 Supra at the GTR and not the 350Z, THEN we might end up with a decent one. I wouldn't even mind if it had a vvti 3UZFE.
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NO GE ONLY!
theres no way im letting toyota put an economical head in their flagship sports car!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 08:40
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lol, AMEN BROTHER!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 08:46
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Ok thats fair enough. A GE head would be the shit, the thing you have to realise that the FE UZ's aren't to be put in the same category as the other ones for power output
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Wed, 22 October 2003 08:48
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but just imagine how insane they would be if they were
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Wed, 22 October 2003 08:50
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Hell yeah
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Wed, 22 October 2003 11:12
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look at this:
oh dear, its the 350z, or is it the new V35 skyline?! yuck.
the new supra needs a BIG MOUTH and COOL EYES... and needs to be FAT... like this bodykit:
and yeah, something like the ab-flug supra.
a 3uz-gte would be niiiice
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:57
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the abflung made me wet my pants when i 1st saw it... awesome shape and would flaw the 350z
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Thu, 23 October 2003 01:23
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yeah, not bad isn't it
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| gtman wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 11:23 |
yeah, not bad isn't it
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Its absolutely beautiful. I reckon it would kill everything looks wise
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| gtman wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 11:23 |
yeah, not bad isn't it
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yuk! looks like a retarded platypus from 1989
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| Billy-Mason PI wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 13:02 |
| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 12:10 |
To answer the question, no.
We all know what a POS the NSX was.
The first incarnation of NSX was available with auto. In a Modern Motor magazine from the time, we were intrigued to find that the auto NSX was in fact 0.1 second slower over the quarter mile than a V6 VN Commodore. These times were not from a direct head to head test but merely times quoted from 2 different tests in the same issue. The Commodore was nearly $180000 cheaper (new VN Commodore 30000, new auto NSX 210000). $180000 buys a lot of suspension mods.........
It is hard to believe that this vehicle will be some giant leap forwards. Look at the S2000.
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And the VN wasn't a POS?
Can a VN do 270kmhr? NO! It couldnt, and if it could i would fall to bits anyway.
I would have to think your comment above as one of the most uneducated loads of crap I've ever read.
Did you know that there is more to car than accelerating quicky in a straight line? For e.g. handling, grip, aerodynamics etc
How you could even write a comment comparing a heap of garbage (VN) to a supercar (NSX) is beyond me.
Did you use your brain when writing that comment?
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hahahahahahahaha! billy doesnt know who hes talking to. thats gold! 
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quote]How you could even write a comment comparing a heap of garbage (VN) to a supercar (NSX) is beyond me.
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Did you use your brain when writing that comment?
NSX a super car? i think there POS or is that my evil honda hating dark side coming out again
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 13:27 |
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 12:10 |
To answer the question, no.
We all know what a POS the NSX was.
The first incarnation of NSX was available with auto. In a Modern Motor magazine from the time, we were intrigued to find that the auto NSX was in fact 0.1 second slower over the quarter mile than a V6 VN Commodore. These times were not from a direct head to head test but merely times quoted from 2 different tests in the same issue. The Commodore was nearly $180000 cheaper (new VN Commodore 30000, new auto NSX 210000). $180000 buys a lot of suspension mods.........
It is hard to believe that this vehicle will be some giant leap forwards. Look at the S2000.
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And the VN wasn't a POS?
Can a VN do 270kmhr? NO! It couldnt, and if it could i would fall to bits anyway.
I would have to think your comment above as one of the most uneducated loads of crap I've ever read.
Did you know that there is more to car than accelerating quicky in a straight line? For e.g. handling, grip, aerodynamics etc
How you could even write a comment comparing a heap of garbage (VN) to a supercar (NSX) is beyond me.
Did you use your brain when writing that comment?
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hahahahahahahaha! billy doesnt know who hes talking to. thats gold!
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.... explain to us who dont know what u mean by that
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