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4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:21
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i will be doing this project and i was wondering if anyone has done something similar or if anyone has and tips or tricks!! thanx in advance!! 
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:46
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why on earth would you want to put a 1.6litre engine into a car built with a 2litre? especially when there are engines ranging from 2 - 4 litre that are available 18R-G, 1G, 3S, 1JZ, 1UZ etc
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 10:54
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not only that the power to weight ratio will be crap
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:03
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I have to agree with the guys here - Youd relaly be better off looking at say a 1gge or a 3sge swap - if you want to retain NA, or source an 18rgeu ( twin cam efi )
It will rev yes - but its really not the best suited for the car IMHO..
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:31
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how much heavier is a t series than a r series anyway. i dont suspect much.
oh and i wouldnt let bigworm see u all bagging 4age in ra celicas hehe.
Daniel
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:33
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Correct me if im wrong but isnt the ra28 a bit heavier than a ra23 ?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:43
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What would make the RA28 that much heavier than an RA23? Its not as if there is a huge difference in the wheelbase and I can't imagine it being that much heavier.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 11:49
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As i said - correct me if im wrong 
The hatch *may* weigh a tonne compared to say the boot on the coupe or something ..
thats why i asked ! Ive seen bigworms ra23 - as sweet as it is - though havent seen it perform ..
I have - though - seen an 18rgeu and a 1ggte ra28 perform , and both were very brisk!
lowering the capacity of the motor seems a good way of stuffing up power to weight - UNLESS the 20V in question makes consiereably more HP then the other motors mentioned ..
Also - id be taking a longshot here - but wouldnt an 18rgeu be easier to install ( same applies for a 1g ) then a 4ag ????
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Gippsland
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October 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 12:36
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wow!!
its just that i found a cheap 20 valva and i cant have anything to fast cos there a restriction for P platers in vic!!
i looked at a few 18rg's and they all needed recos which would result in me spending more money that i want to!!
what sought of kw does the 3sge put out?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 12:37
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Personally I think that a 1GGE would be a nice option.
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Colac, Victoria
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Tue, 21 October 2003 22:40
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talk to Allan, he can put you onto a friend of his in Vic with a 1G-GE in an RA28.
they may not spank hard like a GTE but they will definitly still make the car fun to drive.
also check my tech article HERE
and my 1G-GE soundsHERE
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Turramurra, Sydney.
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 01:37
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Call me biased, but I don't reckon it would be too bad. My 16v 4AGE goes as hard as an 18R-G, and putting a 20v in will do wonders for the power to weight, 120kW with a much lighter engine & g'box package! Not to mention your new 50:50 weight distribution.
Research any mods you do to it & make sure they're going to work & are cost effective, & I don't reckon it would be too bad at all, although you'll definitely need an upgrade in a few years.
But otherwise it would make a great P platers car.
It would be original too.
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Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 03:31
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rob_ra40---> that engine sound is wicked man!
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 03:41
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thanks 
i need to make some new sound grabs, when those were recorded i had the noisy lift pump chattering away (at the start) and a noisy axle bearing (just hear it at the end)
all has been replaced now.
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 03:48
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RA28 is about 50kg heavier than a RA23. The only difference between a RA23 and a TA23 is the engine weight. Maybe 20kg. I woulf think a 4A would be a fair bit lighter than a 2t.
Like bigworm I am a little biased, but definitly not towards a 4A, If your going to go to all that trouble, put the motor in that you want.
There is a fair bit of work in getting that motor into an RA28. you need to sort out gearbox and sump issues. The distributer will be poking out through the firewall and will need to be relocated.
They are a nice light motor, so handling shoud be improved and the power ain't too bad for a little motor. Bigworms celica goes really well for a 1600, but he is also running an aftermarket computer and squeezes it pretty hard. I think you will find that he has come to the conclusion that he needs a hefty power increase though.
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Gippsland
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October 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 06:22
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yeah!! i will have to see what i can find!! i found a sight with a 1gge in a ra40 and it looks like my number one choice!! i thought the power to weight with a 4age 20v wouldnt be that bad!! they have more power than a 18rg!! but yeah the 1gge looks like it will go good and they are considerbly cheap!!
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Gippsland
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October 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 06:35
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what parts will i need to get to fit a 1gge!!
like:
clutch
brakes
gearbox
etc!!
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 06:56
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 08:40 |
also check my tech article HERE
and my 1G-GE soundsHERE
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read the tech articles they will answer your questions!
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Gippsland
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October 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 08:39
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ok thanx!!!
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adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 09:36
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two things, do you NEED to replace the engine or are you just after more power? and the other thing is how much longer do you have on your p's? most engines suggested other than 18rg would take a whole lotta stuffin around to do, and if you're just gonna go turbo when you get off p's then perhaps wait, and in that time you can wait for the right parts to come up and really research what you are doing so as to have as little time off the road as you can
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I supported Toymods
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Toodyay, WA
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July 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 11:35
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now heres a novel idea...
1MZ-FE
3.0l of all alloy V6...
Makes about 140kW...
They come in the current Camry, and also the new RX330 Lexus 4wd uses the 2 or 3MZ-FE, but i dont know if its front or rear wheel drive bais...
so a gear box might be a bitch!!
but if your laws are like NSW you can only fit 3.2l of motor in your '28...
I was looking into this conversion, 1stly with the 3VZ-FE (old camry motor) but decided that i dont care about it anymore, and that the 1UZ-FE is for me...
Screw the law!!
Cam
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Gippsland
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October 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 12:49
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lol!! well i am only 16 but me and my dad are getting the car ready for when i turn 18!! and i have to replace the engine AND i want more power!!!
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 22:09
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20v in that.?? will go no wheresville.. slowly at that 
get yourself a 1ggte... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
now that will get you moving.. at 18 with no driving experience tho... probably get you quickly into a grave... so dont do that actually...
Go the 18rg if your learning..
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Gippsland
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October 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Fri, 24 October 2003 00:12
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like i sadi before!! i cant drive frced inducted cars on my p's!! and i dont think it will put me in a grave ive been racing cars at my local hill climb since i was 14!!
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Fri, 24 October 2003 00:23
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the 1G-GE aint such a bad engine and would be a better engine to use now if you plan on upgrading to a 1G-GTE later down the tack.
If not I would look at putting in an 18R-GU. At least then you can keep the original mounts and gearbox. You just need to wire it up and fix up linkeages and fuel. An 18R-GU will be cheaper easier and more than likely perform better than a 4A-GE.
Although Cams idea with the V6 would be a ripper.
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Fri, 24 October 2003 09:21
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i looked at the 4A-GE 20valve silvertop into RA28 conversion a fair while back.... and basically passed up on the idea after the mounting costs were taken into consideration.
Even if you CAN get the motor cheap, there are a couple of expensive things that will need doing:
# Dizzy - anthony kellam has a kit which converts to DLI, but then you need coil packs
# Water - all the outlets are at the rear, need to move them
# Intake - need to have it converted to RWD
# Engine mounting - engine mounts, crossmember, gbox x-member, tailshaft etc
# EFI fuel setup - surge tank, lift and HP pumps
# Thermofan
# EFi wiring
# Exhaust
So even if the motor IS cheap, you have at LEAST $1500 worth of shit to do AFTER you buy the motor! And then you will really only have performance a "little" better than Joel's RA23, which co-incidentally gets around 55rwKW and does a 17sec 1/4mile.
I'm getting around the same level of performance as his 4a-ge powered RA23 with my late 18R-GU (11111-88253 head) powered RA28..... and that conversion cost me all of..... $700! ENTIRELY!
Think about it
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Fri, 24 October 2003 09:22
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P.S. im not trying to dissuade you from doing it, personally i would LOVE to see it done... but i would like for you to know what you are getting into first, and where your costs will lie.
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Sydney
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June 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Fri, 24 October 2003 16:27
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hi sorry to talk about a hole new topic.
but seen you guy know so much about the RA28.
I new need to know what kind of suspension set up do there have.
Front and rear.
I know what the RA40 is like cause my mate own 3 of them.
But I really need to know how good does it handle.
I really want to built one for the trach. I have not got a choice of engine as yeah. I we are working on a 18RG with F9 haltech in a RA40 at the monment. so it any one have any good site on the RA4O or the 18RG can you please let me know.
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Sydney
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June 2003
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Fri, 24 October 2003 16:34
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oh yeah one more thing.
diff fot the car.
Would I be able to find a LSD diff to it straight into a aus spec RA40?
and what about brake as where. front ad back.
Thank
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 4AGE 20V in RA28!!
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Sat, 25 October 2003 06:34
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RA28 has same suspension setup as RA40
u can buy a TRD 'T series' LSD for about a grand but for that money you are half way towards a diff conversion. search the forums F series and G series rear end upgrades have been covered muchly on here.
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