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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UF engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 05:13
 
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the actual engine code is 1UZ (1UZ-FE) not 1UF
yep it can be done
yep it can be registered
nope its not a stupid conversion
if its a specific RA65 celica then u should be fine with your driveline. when u get the bellhousing mate it to a w58 gearbox and your existing F series diff will be able to handle the power fine.
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:00
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thatd be a tight fit wouldnt it?
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:47
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nope, its only 4cyls long 
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UF engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:49
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i did a search before and found someone who was in the process of putting a 1UZ into a R28 and was gonna PM him for more information but apparently this forum wont allow me to do that ?? Maybe cause im a newbie ?
Anyways really looking for some help with finding somewhere that does this type of conversion, drive in , dump ya money, pick it up complete.... sort of thing..
and how much?
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UF engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:50
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if you dont have any of the parts, then youd be looking at 5000 abs min,
2000 or so for crown majesta cut (only one with separate engine tranny ecus)
400 bell/h
450 fly wheel
450 decent clutch
500 or so for w57/8
500 min or exhuast
misc 500 for belts/oil/plugs/leads/filter
300 or so for engineering
this is providing u run original ecu, afm etc, and you dont have to upgrade your brakes.
add many many $$$ for those 2 things
so $5000 abs min, prolly more like $7000 for happily tuned beast with good aftermarket ecu
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UF engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:51
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 15:13 |
if its a specific RA65 celica then u should be fine with your driveline.
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which specific RA65 celica are u refering to... ? sorry maybe i missed something
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:51
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drive in drive out - gimme 10grand and i'll do it for you!!
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UF engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:52
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| Cressida Supra wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 16:50 |
if you dont have any of the parts, then youd be looking at 5000 abs min,
2000 or so for crown majesta cut (only one with separate engine tranny ecus)
400 bell/h
450 fly wheel
450 decent clutch
500 or so for w57/8
500 min or exhuast
misc 500 for belts/oil/plugs/leads/filter
300 or so for engineering
this is providing u run original ecu, afm etc, and you dont have to upgrade your brakes.
add many many $$$ for those 2 things
so $5000 abs min, prolly more like $7000 for happily tuned beast with good aftermarket ecu
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Thanks heaps thats exactly what im looking for, a price.... Now to find somewhere that will happily do it for me... Of course i would have to negotiate a price..  cheers
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 06:54
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| Cressida Supra wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 16:51 |
drive in drive out - gimme 10grand and i'll do it for you!!
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was hoping to find something a bit cheaper than that......
but will take that as a first quote ... hopefully find something a bit cheaper....
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 07:10
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Drive in drive out, $10k is ridiculously cheap for a job like that. Engine conversions are hell expensive, especially when you're paying some other poor sucker to do the hard work for you!
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 07:19
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heheeh, i thought so too, but i was gonna wait until he got an actual quote
did i forget to mention that it will be done in my back garage with a kincrome tool kit, and arc welder, and my dicksmith soldering iron???
no SST's for at least 10kms
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 08:31
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Add some more for a suitable efi fuel pump too. Re-yoking and cutting the taishaft, or complete new tailshaft too.
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 10:11
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then pretty soon you'll realise you want an LSD in there - so that will add some more
but it would be a nice conversion, 1uz is nice and light, pretty short (like the ra65 engine bay) and pretty wide (like the ra65 bay)
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UF engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 12:12
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maybe you should tell them your mate (me) has a jza80 one
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 12:30
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youre wrong Greg, your box is actually out of a very rare 5spd 2JZGE crown.
sorry, had to be a smartass.
MR Enforcer engineering did the 1UZ MA61 i was checking out, they could prolly shed some light on ease/ cost of the conversion.
cheers
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Thu, 23 October 2003 23:56
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I thought JZA70's and MA70's had R154's, the JZA80 has some sort of Getrag box?
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Fri, 24 October 2003 01:21
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| Skip wrote on Fri, 24 October 2003 09:56 |
I thought JZA70's and MA70's had R154's, the JZA80 has some sort of Getrag box?
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Nope they have different gearboxes depending on weither they are turbo or non turbo...
As you said JZA70 / MA70 turbos had R154's and the Getrag box you speak of is the V160 / V161.
MA70 non turbos had a W58, JZA80 non turbos also had a W58 although it is slightly different from the MA70 one (has a bigger input bearing / input shaft).
Cheers
Wilbo
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Fri, 24 October 2003 01:41
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That clears things up pretty well, thanks wilbo. Is there any difference between 1JZGTE R154s and 7MGTE R154s? Ive found quite a significant price difference between the models when getting prices off wreckers.
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Fri, 24 October 2003 01:49
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AFAIK, there is no difference between the 2, but the 1jz ones about about 50% more expensive
i'm putting this down to the fact that they have a JZ bell/h, and therefore are worth more
maybe?
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Fri, 24 October 2003 04:20
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Yeah I have found they are worth about twice as much as the 7M box.
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Fri, 24 October 2003 05:50
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so anyone know of any garages that would do this conversion ?
(warantee would be nice)
Would like to ring them up and find out the costs involved..
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Fri, 24 October 2003 05:58
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u have to tell people what state you are in.
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Fri, 24 October 2003 06:14
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Fri, 24 October 2003 15:58 |
u have to tell people what state you are in.
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Victoria, but if interstate was cheaper i would be willing to make the journey....
basically want to know if the cost would be rediculous and not worth it....
1100kg car with a 4L V8 with a 5 speed manual would be quite a lot of fun
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Fri, 24 October 2003 07:16
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For what reason do you want a workshop to do it? Is it a time factor, a major lack of know how or no tools?
I know people who have done successful conversions with poor mechanical knowledge to begin with, me included. You learn sooooo much as you go along, and there is nothing like the feeling of driving the car after you have done all the hard work yourself. Plus the sh*tload of money you save.
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Fri, 24 October 2003 07:20
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| Skip wrote on Fri, 24 October 2003 17:16 |
For what reason do you want a workshop to do it? Is it a time factor, a major lack of know how or no tools?
I know people who have done successful conversions with poor mechanical knowledge to begin with, me included. You learn sooooo much as you go along, and there is nothing like the feeling of driving the car after you have done all the hard work yourself. Plus the sh*tload of money you save.
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Total lack of know how.
No backyard to do it in.
No time to do it.
Like the idea of getting it done right the first time..
Would love to do it myself but i have to be realistic
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Fri, 24 October 2003 07:54
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| Cressida Supra wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 15:19 |
no SST's for at least 10kms
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Don't forget SST #1..the hammer is almightily useful 
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Fri, 24 October 2003 12:02
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The no place to do the conversion is a major problem, always takes alot longer to complete than you think it will too
Getting a workshop to do it doesnt always mean it will be done right the first time, you should probably make sure the workshop has a good reputation for engine conversions, ive seen some bodgy stuff done before, especially if they underquote then cut corners to save money.
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Sat, 25 October 2003 00:15
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| Skip wrote on Fri, 24 October 2003 22:02 |
The no place to do the conversion is a major problem, always takes alot longer to complete than you think it will too
Getting a workshop to do it doesnt always mean it will be done right the first time, you should probably make sure the workshop has a good reputation for engine conversions, ive seen some bodgy stuff done before, especially if they underquote then cut corners to save money.
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Very true, Thats why im trying find out from you more experienced poeple where to enquire...
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Sat, 25 October 2003 03:56
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Can someone drop some more names of reputable conversion places ???
Anyone?
Really interested to find out if this is worth while... (money wise)
or i could just buy a R33 gtst like everyone else
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Sat, 25 October 2003 10:56
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| drizt wrote on Sat, 25 October 2003 11:56 |
Can someone drop some more names of reputable conversion places ???
Anyone?
Really interested to find out if this is worth while... (money wise)
or i could just buy a R33 gtst like everyone else
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Dont do that Dude!!!!! You should at least get a 1JZ supra or soarer, much better!!
I would help with a good workshop if i didnt live on the other side of the world.
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Sun, 26 October 2003 09:45
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| drizt wrote on Sat, 25 October 2003 13:56 |
Really interested to find out if this is worth while... (money wise)
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The answer is NO, almost certainly not. You don't do engine conversions because it's cheaper or better than buying a fast car in the first place; you do it because you want something unique.
If you just want a fast car, buy one. Simple as that.
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Sun, 26 October 2003 12:24
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ditto norbie!
Mate going fast aint cheap. My conversion is gonna cost around $12k and thats doing most myself!
To give you an idea...i went, out of curiousity's sake to place that builds race engines, to give me a quote on building my engine, including the cost of parts like lifters, roller rockers, valves etc. Cleaning, assembling. $9084 - thats including my complete bottom end minus pistons and lifters, heads and most hardware.
Thats so i would have the complete thing minus a complete exhaust system! Parts have cost abou $5k on top of that. So i've decided to do everything myself, with the help from my father.it woul'dve saved me in the vicinity of thousands of dollars! Can you see why people on here learn a lot about motors and cars before they even start to tare down and assemble a motor!
as noribe said. make sure you really love the car before you take on such a big task. Otherwise buy a fast car.
Blake.
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Mon, 27 October 2003 00:08
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Sun, 26 October 2003 23:24 |
ditto norbie!
Mate going fast aint cheap. My conversion is gonna cost around $12k and thats doing most myself!
To give you an idea...i went, out of curiousity's sake to place that builds race engines, to give me a quote on building my engine, including the cost of parts like lifters, roller rockers, valves etc. Cleaning, assembling. $9084 - thats including my complete bottom end minus pistons and lifters, heads and most hardware.
Thats so i would have the complete thing minus a complete exhaust system! Parts have cost abou $5k on top of that. So i've decided to do everything myself, with the help from my father.it woul'dve saved me in the vicinity of thousands of dollars! Can you see why people on here learn a lot about motors and cars before they even start to tare down and assemble a motor!
as noribe said. make sure you really love the car before you take on such a big task. Otherwise buy a fast car.
Blake.
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Can you tell me more about your car ?
Sounds interesting
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Mon, 27 October 2003 00:09
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ok heard back from engine conversion place and seems like you guys were spot on ....
to fit the engine and box $1500
need a supra 5 speed and a bell housing flywheel and clutch for the 1uz $2500
tail shaft $500
rad and acc $900
wiring aftermarket ecu $500
ltx12 ecu 1350
tunning $450
diff conversion $2500
fuel sys $900
so thats just over 11 grand and then i would have to buy the engine for say $1500.
So total would be around 13 grand....
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Mon, 27 October 2003 01:27
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They seem a little enthusiastic with the pricing there...
-Fitting the engine and box is the easy bit providing you have mounts etc.
-It shouldn't cost that much for a Supra box, as you already have an RA65 I'd be inclined to use that (its probably a W55 or W58). The manual conversion parts wouldn't cost as much as they say, the parts themselves are ~$850 plus shipping from CRS and you'd have to factor in about $450-500 for the clutch.
-As you've retained your original box (or even if you must get a W58 or the like) your original tailshaft will fit fine.
-I don't know exactly what they mean by rad and accessories, but I'm getting my original radiator triple-cored for about $350, I don't forsee any problems happening with it.
-The wiring and tuning sounds about spot on.
-What diff conversion are you planning!? Admittedly you're likely to need an LSD (which from a MA61 Supra would bolt straight in) but as long as you aren't someone who is going to try to break their diff, the F-series will be fine.
-What are they planning for the fuel system? I could understand a helper pump if you're having troubles, but the fuel system in the RA65 is essentially the same as a MA61 Supra and their pumps would be more than capable of a stock 1UZFE. Even an aftermarket replacement pump wouldn't be that much.
The other things you have to price up are all the engineering and registration fees. What I'm trying to say is that no, engine conversions are never cheap, but if you shop around and do your research, you can save your money and not buy things you really don't need.
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Mon, 27 October 2003 01:29
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any reason they dont want to wire up the standard ECU?
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Mon, 27 October 2003 02:30
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yeah i wondered about the diff conversion myself.. i simply requested an lsd and they quoted $2500 .. seems excessively high to me...
Everywhere i enquire they all say a ecu change is a must, apparently the stock one is a pain in the ass for a manual conversion
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Mon, 27 October 2003 02:53
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ohh man the performance shops want to rip u off big time
$2500 for a diff upgrade u dont need, hahahah tell them to get a clue then hang up on them.
the RA65 has a F series diff and at most u will need to spend is $250 - 400 for a LSD out of a MA61 supra
thats assuming u even want a LSD as the existing F series single spinner diff u have is up to the task. the diff is not a priority expense for you.
as for the ECU thing, there is a model of 1UZ where the automatic transmission control unit is seperate from the engine ECU, in which case will make it the easiest of the lot to wire up.
just be very weary when it comes to workshops doing things for you, and try and run everything past us (read: toymodders) before u make big decision.
Workshop = wants to take your money 
Toymods = wants you to learn and save u money
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Mon, 27 October 2003 03:12
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The Crown Majesta engine you're going to need (because of the front sump) actually has the separate ECU/trans computers as far as I can gather.
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Mon, 27 October 2003 07:16
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If you're paying someone to do it, you absolutely won't get it done for $8k. I wouldn't even consider doing an engine conversion if I had to pay a workshop to do it for me. Do it yourself, you'll learn heaps and the satisfaction when you drive it for the first time can't be beat! I don't care if you don't have much mechanical knowledge; this is exactly how you learn.
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Mon, 27 October 2003 07:36
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spot on norbs
you will need more than 8 grand to get it done by someone else.
and i am about to embark on about the same project, but it will be done in spare time and in the shed here at home for the purpose of saving money , money that is better spent elsewhere on my car and not keeping some ripoff mechanic in business, i haven't done a conversion this big before , but fuc#it you wont learn if you done put the effort in
nathan
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Mon, 27 October 2003 07:39
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Mon, 27 October 2003 13:53 |
now to start with i have to buy a half cut for say around $2,000
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wouldnt u be hard struck to find a 1uz 1/2cut for 2k,
ive only ever seen em for more like $2800 
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Mon, 27 October 2003 09:03
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Im with jcmf (FOR ONCE)you are getting ripped and one could do it yourself much cheaper. Make it easier on yourself, buy an MA61
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Tue, 28 October 2003 01:18
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Come on peoples, give me the names and possibly websites of conversion companies, I DONT CARE if they are interstate, im willing to drive for the right price....
Anywhere in aus, well maybe not WA
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Tue, 28 October 2003 03:06
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Try Toyospares in Melbourne...
On what Norbie said, I'd add this:
I had most of my conversion done by others/a workshop, as I have no tools, very little time, and not much hands-on knowledge. I did do some of it, and learn't a fair bit during the overall process, but, given my time again, I'd sit back, take a LONG time to get everything (including the required tools) together, and have a go myself...If nothing else, I'd have saved a LOT of money. If I eventually go manual with it (about the same time I notice pigs flying around our house), I'll get the 'box, pedal box, clutch and associated hardware, plan to have the car off the road for as long as it takes, and do the damn thing myself...
If you do everything yourself, you will also immediately know where to troubleshoot it if/when things go wrong down the track, as you'll know what was done, and what may (potentially) break...
My 2c.
Good luck with it.
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Tue, 28 October 2003 03:10
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I looked in to puting a 1UZ into my '84 Celica-Supra a while back. I talked to some workshops about wiring up the ECU (I'm an electrophobe  ). Seems nobody wants to touch these ECUs - too complicated, they all say. Everyone trued to talk me into going to talk me into going aftermarket management. Also, while some have 'seperate' ECUs for engine and transmission - I'm not sure that you can simply ditch the trans. computer and run a manual - the engine ecu might still want to limp.
And on the DIY vrs workshop issue. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Do as much as you can at home and then take it in to get the hard stuff (like exhausts) done and fix any mistakes you've made. That's what I tried to do.
Good luck with the conversion - I think it's a brilliant idea (though I'd drop it into a Celica-Supra rather than Celica).
cheers,
Justin
JZA61
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Tue, 28 October 2003 03:35
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I'm afforded the luxury in my case of "simply" throwing a manual at it, as mine runs after-market management as is. (In fact, it also runs the original ECU to control the transmission...). It's more time/cost, and the ubiquitous "I can't be stuffed" factor, which preclude the manual swap ATM, much as I'd love it.
The multitude of sump/ECU configurations used with the 1UZ makes them a bit "arcane" in some respects, but they are becoming much better understood, as more and more people are experimenting with different setups...
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Tue, 28 October 2003 04:35
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Go have a chat to Toyospares in Bayswater, talk to Matt (guy with the beard), tell him 'that idiot Michael with the turbo sprinter' sencha  If you want you can come over my place and take a look at a half finished 1UZ conversion involving a Crown half cut/HZ Holden. And the standard ECU WILL run a manual trans if you want it to, you just plug in the auto trans ECU to put the check engine light out PM me if I can help you at all..
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Re: 1985 celica <- 1UZ engine swap ???
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Tue, 28 October 2003 05:35
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Thanks heaps guys. I'm doing all the Research now instead of diving head first into something and spending too much money...
All this stuff is helpful....
hmmmmmm doing it myself sound like it would be crazy fun.... just gotta find somewhere to do it.... will talk to some of my mates and see if they are interested
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