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can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Thu, 30 October 2003 17:04
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ok..i'm not sure about whether this topic is covered before..but i'll just give it a go..
i'm thinking of a 4ag 86kw conversion on my ae86..
what i wanna know is can a 86kw engine would be able to produce enough power to drift? assuming that it has lsd and a 'good enough' suspension setup..
let me know..
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Thu, 30 October 2003 21:21
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YES, its not as easy as a turbo'ed car but it can be done.
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 01:32
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4ac's can slide in the wet, so im sure an 86kw could do it, failing that you need tourque, so maybe ze just food for thought
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 02:32
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Some ppl have no idea.
First of all the 86kw 4age acctually puts out 97 kw's the only 86 kw 4ages are the aust delivered ae82 ones.
Second of all... power isnt really needed for drift, a well set up sprinter with decent clutch and susp along with a good drive could be drifter all over the place with just a stock 4ac in the DRY.
yes ive seen it done.
i think my video's prove that u dont need hp to drift ok.
http://www.meggala.com/simondrift.htm all with a stock un opened 4age.
s
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 03:05
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Simon, well done! that is a most impressive display. What are your suspension specs? Do you have a lsd in that car?
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 03:27
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i know he has lsd
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 03:30
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bigport = 97kw
so is the small port 1 86 and ae82?
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 03:57
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Simon... what about the Aust. delivered AW11's... all 86kw, all bigport.
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 05:59
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| truenosedan wrote on Fri, 31 October 2003 11:30 |
bigport = 97kw
so is the small port 1 86 and ae82?
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No, smallport is 100kw
bigport japspec is 97kw
bigport aus spec is 86kw
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 06:48
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wat advantages tat an bigport 4ag will have if a 100kw block is put in it?
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 10:59
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higher compression to start with...
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I supported Toymods
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Fri, 31 October 2003 11:33
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check out bill's site
www.billzilla.org.au
hes a smarty pants!
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sat, 01 November 2003 06:31
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its all about the tuning.
Jap engines are tuned to run on 100Ron fuel where as aus engines are tuned to run on 91Ron
aus 100Kw tuned on 96Ron and higher comp.
Depending on skill u can drift in any car. Remember drift isnt just power slides u can brake drift use shift lock, handbrake, Feint and Lift off.
Just ideas.
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sat, 01 November 2003 13:05
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Where can i find a big wide space to practice besides industrial area...
and i dont wanna get troubled with pigs and all...
just a big wide space for me to spin my car around...donuts or whatever..
in SA btw..
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Sat, 01 November 2003 14:43
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Phwar...... man you live in Adelaide and you are asking us where there are places to practice your drifting?? I thought SA was the place to be re: drifting events....
Just keep it off the streets man.......
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sat, 01 November 2003 17:16
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i'm in adelaide but i dont know SA that well yet
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Launceston, Tasmania
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sat, 01 November 2003 22:36
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In an old wheels magazine i have from the late 80's it has the 1st gen mr2 listed as 88kw and the ae82 twincam listed as 86kw. what's the difference between these engines?
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sat, 01 November 2003 23:00
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surely when equiped with a set of dodgy 165's/155's even a holden sunbird could "drift".
as far as adelaide goes, talk to the guys at jms and see what day of the week they go out to port gawler (go cart track, but after you sign over your soul they let you take your car out there, has plenty of run-off area and is a very tight track, so good to practice drifting).
matty.
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Sun, 02 November 2003 07:40
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matty: so they do have practice session which is not the Drift event rite?
i was told that car owners need to be in a car club in order to use the track...what club should sprinter cars join?
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sun, 02 November 2003 08:13
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so my JDM ae86 trueno will make 97kw on Premium-ULP?
sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!1
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sun, 02 November 2003 08:33
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Paul, go to an industrial area b4 hitting the track
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Sun, 02 November 2003 10:29
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truenosedan: industrial area arent really safe from the cops...the only time to go there would be at night..i rather pay for a track rather than paying for the fine..
plus..i dont wanna date the curbs..
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sun, 02 November 2003 16:37
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u need 4ag + lsd/locker before worrying about going out drifting
cops to some extent dont really care about people drifting in industrial areas as the people who do it are ussually only endangering themselves and not the general public.
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sun, 02 November 2003 23:27
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[quote title=ae95 wrote on Mon, 03 November 2003 03:07]u need 4ag + lsd/locker before worrying about going out drifting [quote]
LOL!  , thats a myth, ill show you some video footage of 4a-c and a fucked open wheeler just to prove u wrong, but you are right it does help sooooo much as i have driven both
satoshi, go to an industrial area man, i go out quite often ( when it rains ) and i have never had an issue, just have you r wits about u, dont stay n e where for too long, and if heaps of people rock up thats your cue to leave you ll be fine, plus if you rock up to a track and cant do a thing i would be embarrassed, learn at your own rate, not with 3,000 people looking on
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sun, 02 November 2003 23:37
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| threegeese wrote on Fri, 31 October 2003 13:05 |
Simon, well done! that is a most impressive display. What are your suspension specs? Do you have a lsd in that car?
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thanks dude, yeah i have a TRD 2 way lsd, sure helps.
My susp is what makes the car a drifter, its got coilovers, all the right bets and settings, its really quite different to drive then a stock ae86.
JDM Bigports make 97 kw's
Aust delivered 4age with bigports make 88 kw's due to timing and ron changes.
sure a 4ac with open diff could "drift" but are we talking aout 4-5 multiple corners linked up? doubt it. 4age stock with lsd and susp would do this.
even a 4ac with the susp + lsd would be a tough drifter if driven by someone with half a clue 
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Sun, 02 November 2003 23:46
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| ae95 wrote on Mon, 03 November 2003 03:37 |
u need 4ag + lsd/locker before worrying about going out drifting
cops to some extent dont really care about people drifting in industrial areas as the people who do it are ussually only endangering themselves and not the general public.
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Just make sure you have third party property insurance 
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Mon, 03 November 2003 01:37
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in adelaide drifting in an indutrial estate is asking for trouble now.. as some of the well known spots u will quite often find patrols going aroujhnd every 15 mins or cops stakeing out car parks.
take it to a track
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Mon, 03 November 2003 03:45
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I tried drifting in the wet first at slow speeds and gradually get faster and better each time i tried.
Propably the most important thing is to feel the car as you give it a go, get the feel for the car, find out what works and what doesnt.
Remember that different surfaces have different grip levels, especially in the wet. More power maybe needed or less power depending on the situation.
Get a feel for the car first, the things it likes and dislikes then progress from there.
And before you know it you'll be up there with the best of them.
Steve
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Mon, 03 November 2003 06:27
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In an old wheels magazine i have from the late 80's it has the 1st gen mr2 listed as 88kw and the ae82 twincam listed as 86kw. what's the difference between these engines?
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Difference probably has something to do with the exhaust set up. Im assuming the MR2 is a fair bit shorter.
And if the 86kw 4AGE's are 97kw in Jap spec, does that mean the local 100kw 4AGE's are more powerful in jap spec?
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Mon, 03 November 2003 06:34
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If you just wanna learn the basics dirt roads are perfect for practice, no need for power, no need to worry about cops.
just watch out for ditches if you have 40 series tyres like I did.
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Mon, 03 November 2003 10:50
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skaney your paint is mint, y would u go to a dirt road!! my paint is fucked an i wouldnt do it, lol,
yeh it is true cops to chillin the jms car parks from time to time, advice be careful, or find new spots!
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Mon, 03 November 2003 11:18
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heh - i find it hard enough to break traction in my Gt4 even to get it to wiggle unless its belting down rain or theres oil on the road..
PESKY awd and good suspension and sticky tyres ..
Grip is my emeny !! 
Ahh sand/gravel .. Sand ill be able to slip a little .... NOOOO!! traction!!! - My foe !! pesky AWD AGAIN!
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Wed, 05 November 2003 06:30
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Getting back to 4ag power. Is there red tops and blue tops that can classify what power they put out or is this in accurate
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Re: can a 4ag 86kw ....
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Wed, 05 November 2003 07:00
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haha truenosedan. Yeah I get asked that alot. I love driving through mount crawford more than anywhere else, the only chips I have gotten so far was accidentely from my mate infront of me.
Oh and I bent one of my 17s pretty bad over the weekend. Stockys on the rear now until I get my minilites 
...hoping it rains tonight
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