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Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Mon, 03 November 2003 11:32

I am contemplating buying some rims for my sprinter and the fronts have an offset of +25mm. The rims are 7" wide. Will handling suffer....? Whats the best offset to look for....? Will the tyres rub on my struts....? Any other info will be appreciated..... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Mon, 03 November 2003 11:38

i ran 17x7 on mine with about the same offset okay but rubs around tight coriners and a bitch when parking.. other then that fine, but watch your dif and your gearbox [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset

Mon, 03 November 2003 11:41

bootheman wrote on Mon, 03 November 2003 19:38

other then that fine, but watch your dif and your gearbox Laughing

Damn quick reply. This bit went right over my head tho....

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Mon, 03 November 2003 11:50

well due to now the size and the weight of the rims, u are gona do damgee, i did when i came on boost the dif and tail shaft would snap. run some shitful tyres cos thier alot cheaper thehn a dif or a gearbox [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Mon, 03 November 2003 14:59

Thats a bit of a defeatist attitude, ..., at 25mm on a 7" rim, they're gonna rub! That offset is more appropriate for a 5.5-6" rim [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Mon, 03 November 2003 21:22

what will happen to the diff and the gearbox fitting those wheels i just don't understand Eddy [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 00:49

the diff and the gearbox thing is a load of crap spilled by ill informed idiots. im not sure if they are reffering to the 7 inch wide rim? in which case they would be running 195 wide rubber... many sprinters do this including mine without blowing diffs or gearboxes im not sure if they are reffering to the +25 offset which increases track? well i have more track front and rear on my car then most ae86's owners do and guess what.. no diffs or gearboxes blown.... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 01:08

Id just like to add my 2c's.. now i dont have a sprinter, ive got a gz10 soarer that has the same offset as old sprinters (+20)... ive got 17x7's on it and it doesent rub or scrape no matter what i do... and im running 235/45/r17 tyres aswell dunno if thats any help [Updated on: Tue, 04 November 2003 01:10] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 06:12

Standard Sprinter offset is 27mm. My 7" wide rims with 205/45/16 tyres fit on my Sprinter with no worries. The offset on these rims is 17mm negative (ie, the mounting face is closer to the face of the wheel than the back). [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 06:18

I ran 16x7's with 25pos offset. Only a slight rub against the strut tower (thats not the strut but the body). I also ran 205/45 tyres. I havent had any wheel induced problems with the diff or GB by running the larger wheels. My problems were a result of the torque I was putting through them and the hard life they had lived Just my 2c Denis [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 06:29

OK, clarification on offset. My understanding is positive offset occurs when the wheel mounting face is short of the median point of the wheel, ie the wheel has a greater percentage of the wheel in front of the mounting face than behind, and vice versa for negative offset. My reason for taking this approach is, we all know FWD cars run large negative offsets by design (usually around -40mm) and their mounting faces are pushed out to the outside edge of the wheel. By error of assumption, everyone assumes a RWD runs positive offset as that is what everyone says, but the fact is, most RWD still run negative offset, just less so than FWD cars. To see true positive offset on factory wheels, look for something like a Porsche rim, these run positive offset from the factory, and have deep dishes in the rim due to this factor. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 06:37

I thik you have it back to front. Positive offset is towards the outside edge of the rim, negative offset is back towards the inside edge of the rim. E.g. a "deep dish" rim runs low positive (10 - 0) or negative offsets. For example, the stad Aus sprinter wheel is 13x5 with 27pos offset. If you measure from the back of the rim to the mounting face you will cross the middle of the rim and travel a further 27mm. FWD's usually run large POSITIVE offset rims - 30mm positive and greater. HTH Denis [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 07:46

I can find definitions for both types of description. I have a feeling it may be a European/American definition difference, with my definition matching the American definitions. Can anyone else shed light on this, as it regulalrly pops up in my conversations? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 08:15

This is a brilliant link......... http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbibles/index.htm l?menu.html&tyre_bible.html So will my tyres rub or not........?? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 08:21

Hey buddy, From experience i can say that 15 x 6.5 with 205s @ +20mm works very well. The offset is not enough to do any major damage, they fill out the guards wonderfully and actually feel easier to turn without any hint of contact at lock or on bumps. Also puts a fair amount of rubber on the road Clint knows this too PS sorry about the foto's clint i cant find the cameras bastard connection cable . [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 09:48

For 7" wide rims, you will need zero offset for a Sprinter. Any positive offset will make the wheel sit inward. Why not try Datsun rims instead? They are guaranteed to fit with no probs: [Updated on: Tue, 04 November 2003 09:50] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 10:37

my rear wheels...14 x 7.5 -4 offset JUST fits without scrub.. and i mean JUST [Updated on: Tue, 04 November 2003 10:41] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset

Tue, 04 November 2003 10:44

eeer daz, positive wheels stick OUT not in more, too much negitive offset and wheel/tyre hits struts or inner gaurd.

too much positive and u hit the outer gaurd.

Dodgy_Haro wrote on Tue, 04 November 2003 19:48

For 7" wide rims, you will need zero offset for a Sprinter. Any positive offset will make the wheel sit inward.

Why not try Datsun rims instead? They are guaranteed to fit with no probs:

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl6ii7/Dat3.JPG

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl6ii7/Dat4.JPG

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 10:53

err simmo u sure? http://www.usacomp.com/Offset.htm [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 10:59

Positive offset is how most factory wheels are designed. The wheel center is moves the wheel closer to the vehicle, therefore moving the tire closer to the vehicle, helping to tuck it under the fenderwell. This means the wheel rotates on its axis. Negative offset is how most aftermarket wheels are designed. They move the center of the wheel away from the vehicle. Therefore, moving the tires away from the vehicle, and increasing the turning radius. Rather that spinning on its axis, it swings on its axis. There are several inherent flaws with this, while they may be unavoidable. Increasing the offset puts more leverage on the lugs, which means you can break them easier, but it also increases the stance of your vehicle to help keep it more stable. The swinging affect means more lift is needed to avoid rubbing. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 11:07

now im confuised... the way i had it worked out was the total oposite to that.. i even have 5 sets of wheels down stairs in varying offsets ranging from -17 to +10 and the +10's stick RIGHT out the gaurds.. they are a 8 inch rim also. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 11:18

There is no difference in the way aftermarket wheels and factory wheels are measured, they are all measured as the distance between the centreline of the wheel and the mounting face. In a positive offset the mounting face is towards the outside of the car, too big and you'll be rubbing the strut and too small (depending on the car and the width) it'll touch the guards. In a negative offset the mounting face is towards the inside of the car, too big (in the negative direction) and you'll have the wheel rubbing on the guard. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 11:22

exactly BOOOOOOOOYAH! btw boys > working tech support sucks arse [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 11:49

so +25 on a 7 inch rim is going to be too much. something closer to zero will be more appropriate....?? so front wheel drive cars actually have huge ammounts of positive offset.... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 11:51

It would be too much on a Sprinter. FWD cars and new RWD cars usually have a large positive offset. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 12:50

as far as im aware your only meant to fit rims with same or larger offset then ur car i.e if you have +20 offset then u can fit +25 rims.. and ur not meant to go the other way.. and i think the legal limit is adding 25 to ur offset ALL new cars are positive offset running around +40 somewhere offset confuses me.. but thats some stuff that i know [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 12:53

There is no rule with what your offset can be, providing you aren't interfering with the body work or suspension and you dont increase or decrease your track by a certain amount. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 12:57

its all so fucking confusing [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Tue, 04 November 2003 13:38

I've never had a measuring instrument but I believe for a Sprinter you're looking at somewhere between 12 to 15 for 6.5" wide rims. For 6" wide rims, something greater of 18 or so and for 7" wide rims, zero offset is ideal. Not sure about 8" rims as you can hardly find those here. Anything which has a positive offset of 30 and above is definitely a FWD wheel. To answer the initial query of this thread (and as Simon said), the best way of finding a suitable alloy is to try the wheels on your car first before buying. You may come across some which will fit and spin freely but still sit a little inward from the fender: However, there are rims which are dead giveaways as to whether they fit or not, like the 3 piece Enkei's in the sale section - 30 above positive offset meaning they are FWD wheels. On a Sprinter, did someone mention SPACERS? [Updated on: Tue, 04 November 2003 13:39] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset

Tue, 04 November 2003 14:47

gabe wrote on Tue, 04 November 2003 16:15

So will my tyres rub or not........??

OK, regardless of offset definition, yes 25mm on a Sprinter will rub on the chassis rail, definately on the front, probably on the rear, and if the offset is the other way, definately on the guard.

My 16 x7's with 17mm fit in snugly, but I wouldn't want any more. I've also had 16x8's on a RA28 celica back end with an offset of 5mm and with 235/45's, the just squeezed in, but the guards were rolled quite tightly.

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Wed, 05 November 2003 11:16

i thought wheels just had to be round? i know mine are are the fit really well... they even roll too!! [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Thu, 06 November 2003 01:19

Yep, I've tried em all, ..., triangles, squares, pentagons, hexagons, septagons, octagons, nonagons, decagons, ..., circular stuff works the best! [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Thu, 06 November 2003 01:56

Ideal offsets for a Sprinter, i've calculated these myself, they set the wheel up the same distance from the strut as stock. Going either way 5mm won't change your clearance, but it may be the difference between fitting 185's or 195's But they will fit, more important that you get the fronts correct otherwise you'll rub the strut and get some nasty handling. Width Offset 5.5 +27 6.0 +20 6.5 +14 7.0 + 8 7.5 + 2 8.0 - 4 The factory Sprinter wheel has +27 offset, but for a 5 inch wide wheel. Tarago's have a 5.5 inch wide rim with a +27 (the same wheel as a celica RA60 but i had a tarago so i'll refer to them as tarago wheels) MA61 get the 7.0 inch wheel with +8 offset. These fit Sprinters and won't rub if you don't get overboard with rubber. Daniel [Updated on: Thu, 06 November 2003 02:52] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Thu, 06 November 2003 02:25

Your offsets are back to front. Aside from that it looks to make sense. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Thu, 06 November 2003 02:55

Amended, thanks for pointing it out, to many numbers in this head. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: Sprinter with 7" rims and a +25mm offset	Thu, 06 November 2003 04:58

[quote title=c2888 wrote on Thu, 06 November 2003 12:56] Width Offset 5.5 +27 6.0 +20 6.5 +14 7.0 + 8 7.5 + 2 8.0 - 4 Does this mean that these are the right figures. [Report message to a moderator]

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