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Can a Cressida Handle?
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Mon, 03 November 2003 23:04
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As per title.
Can it?
How much will it cost to do so, if not?
Or is this a total lost cause?
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Mon, 03 November 2003 23:08
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ive found my old mans MX83 handles quite well for standard suspension, i hazard a guess that putting a little money into it you could make it handle exceptionally well.
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Melbourne Eastern Suburbs
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October 2002
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Tue, 04 November 2003 00:20
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Ok lets be specific......MX83 vs MA61
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Tue, 04 November 2003 00:23
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Anything can be made to handle given the funds (Look at the Porsche 911 - engine in the worst possible place in terms of balance). You might be surprised just how well you get the Cressida to handle just with good shocks and stiffer springs with matched sway bars.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Tue, 04 November 2003 00:35
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The MX83 chassis and suspension is remarkably similar to the MA70. With a bit of careful planning there's no reason you couldn't make it handle just as well as an MA70, and we all know they can handle pretty damn well!
Of course in standard form they're nothing special, but they were built as a luxo-barge so you can't really expect razor-sharp handling right out of the box.
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Bayside Melbourne.
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May 2003
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Tue, 04 November 2003 01:53
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They handle pretty good with standard supsension set up but the thing that pisses me off is the slow steering... 50 thousand turns lock to lock! I enquired about getting it changed to make it a little sharper like the Supra of the time, I was told $2500+  
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Perth
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September 2002
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Tue, 04 November 2003 04:03
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with wider tyres and rims, stiffer suspension, it should almost be the same
ma61 vs mx73 would be closer tho
weight is closer, size is closer
but mx73 have longer wheel base, but prolly worse weight distribution
i cant really comment on the handling, coz i never drive other cars hard
all i can say it is out handes my dads prado  (funny bout that)
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Balranald
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May 2002
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Wed, 05 November 2003 11:33
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| mrsmart wrote on Tue, 04 November 2003 11:14 |
Some of the old toyota fans down here tell stories of racing against commodores up the mountain in brand new mx73s. They had to get out and wait for the dunnydores to catch up, to keep the competition alive!
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As soon as I saw this title I thought I HAVE to post something up about the time I raced a brand new Commodore up a mountain one day....and I read your quote Mr Smart and had a great 
I rememebr racing a new Commodore VS at the the time up the Burring Bar mountain and back down again (prior to the speed cameras) in a MX73 and it was like a Sunday drive. The car had 168,000k's on it and all the driving was on poor roads and the shocks were SHAGGED and had old tyres on but still went around the corners perfectly! The poor Commodore was at one stage in the lane next to me with smoke POORING of the tyres and he was really fighting the wheel and i probably could have gone faster but wasn't the most confident driver.
They go great for such a luxury car with heaps of weight.
Oh and SIMDOG....is it possible to make steering heavy like the Cressida? I thought the steering was great in it...unlike the Soarer that is far too light and responsive..........it's hard to keep in a straight line!
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Newcastle
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August 2003
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Wed, 05 November 2003 15:26
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The 911 engine is in worst position for balance point of view?
Please elaborate man.....
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Wed, 05 November 2003 19:55
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The 911 is intrinsically flawed and 40 years of engineering have nearly sorted out this shortcoming. The engine is located rearward of the rear axle. Effectively, when there is loss of grip at the rear, the engine's position results in it acting like a giant $200000 pendulum. The Porsche 911 is renowned for being rather tail happy, however as the years have gone by, the size and constitution of one's balls required to discover this have become larger and more steely.
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Perth
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Thu, 06 November 2003 00:34
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| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 06 November 2003 03:55 |
however as the years have gone by, the size and constitution of one's balls required to discover this have become larger and more steely.
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nicely said
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inventor of the leopard skin merkin
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i dont wanna know how you managed to come up with this
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Behind you
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May 2003
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Thu, 06 November 2003 00:45
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My Cressida (MX83 Grande) handles amazingly well for the grandpa car that it is.
Although it could do with some wider wheels and of a lower profile.
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Newcastle NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Thu, 06 November 2003 10:57
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Cressidas, like supras are a very solid car and have very good suspension for their age, with struts at the front and a complex multi link irs setup at the rear. Obviously they are set up soft as they are a luxury car but they are actually well planted, but a bit soggy in stock form.
I just fitted kyb shocks and 30mm lowered king springs to my mx83 a few weeks ago. Together with Bridgestone Potenza g3's on the factory rims it has transformed the car. The ride is firmer, but no worse than my wifes '02 corolla and it handles like a dream. The rear end is tied down really well, due to the multi link irs (in a 14 year old car, and holden try to pass it off as new technology!!)and it is almost impossible to lose the back around a corner (i'm sure a 1jz would fix that, i wish).
I just have to remember its a rear wheel drive and more throttle in a corner is good, unlike all the front drivers i have owned in the past.
All up the suspension cost me a tad over 800 bucks, but I fitted them myself.
I am really happy with the results, I have virtually been able to safely double my speed at the apex of corners, roundabouts while it still feels flat and completely in control.
My cressy is used for family duties so I haven't gone too stiff with the springs. I'm sure it would handle even better with lower springs and harder shocks than mine.
Hope this helps
Binny
[Updated on: Thu, 06 November 2003 10:57]
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Re: Can a Cressida Handle?
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Mon, 10 November 2003 12:18
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| binny wrote on Thu, 06 November 2003 21:57 |
..I just fitted kyb shocks and 30mm lowered king springs..and it is almost impossible to lose the back around a corner (i'm sure a 1jz would fix that, i wish)...All up the suspension cost me a tad over 800 bucks, but I fitted them myself.
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i have the same setup in my mx83, and i have to agree its a whole different animal.. although i had the springs and shocks put in seperately and it cost me just over $1300.. i guess you save when you do it yourself 
But youre right, a 1j does kick the back out nicely when you plant it.. i just wish i had a manual
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