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Thu, 06 November 2003 10:06
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After walking out of matrix revolutions last night i felt strangely raped..
Ive finished the game, watched animatrix, watched the first two god knows how many times and after watching the conclusion i dont know what to say. I'm a bit pissed that its over and i cant make up theories on what will happen next, but on the other hand im glad it was all tied up.
What did everyone else think?
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Thu, 06 November 2003 11:40
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I am gonna try see it, Fri nite.
I'll let you know what i think.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 12:49
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predictable.
everything pretty much goes back to the beginning.
only thing that was suprising was morpheus not dying, and neo having his eyeballs burnt out (which was cool/gross)
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Thu, 06 November 2003 13:46
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I thought it was awesome and liked the way they did what they said and finished it. The only sequel they could make from that would be crap because they answered all the little questions you had left over from the first two.
Predictable to a degree but that was inevitable, one way or another the war had to end. 
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Thu, 06 November 2003 13:48
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just got home pretty much after seeing it..
thought it was rather interesting with the whole sorta way neo fixed the problems..
the war seen in xion was fckn excelento tho!!!
but yeah.. i sorta left a lil dissapointed...
whats the deal with neo seeing wierd matrix stuff with his eyes burnt out when he is not actually in the matrix...
i think it left a whole lotta possibilities for another sorta series thing..
i think to understand it better ill see it again some time..
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Thu, 06 November 2003 22:42
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I saw it the day it came out at midnight(1st screening)
my eyes burn.. started watchign maxtrix(at movies) at 3pm
animatrix..
matrix
reloaded
revolutions
finished at 3 am
I liked it in some ways.. but in others it sucks
like neo should just turned into an uber hero and destroyed them all with his hands....
or atleast have "lived"
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Thu, 06 November 2003 22:52
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Yeah, I saw it last night. I thought the movie in general was awesome. The scene in the dock just blew you away. But I found the ending a little unsatisfactory. I was disappointed. It doesnt finish it off. It still leaves you wondering. I guess that might be what they were trying to do, but I still didnt like it.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 22:58
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now that I've slept....
I did enjoy parts of it - dock scene was awesome, hugo weaving got more facial expressions, they burnt out neo's eyes, which hides the fact that keanu is a piss poor actor
maint thing that irritated me was that I saw almost everyhting in the ending coming, but was feverently hoping they wouldn't finish it like that.
then they did.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:04
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I dont like the way that smith got defeated.. it was wimpy
... actually... it was terrible... neo shoulda slammed him lol
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:06
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that would have been crappy and childish
unpredicatable (coz I expect more from the wachowski brothers), but still crap 
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:16
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I liked it.
but im with alwaysRA23 how come he can do all that stuff in the normal world? There was a reason he could do crazy shit in the matrix..... but no real explanation for it in the real world.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:17
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That was the other thing I didnt like. The whole "lets back up 2 k's from eachother crash into eachother at 600miles an hour, then do it again". Ok it looked very cool, but there is a limit. I prefered the good old fisticuffs, close quarters, using the roof/walls/floors stuff.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:27
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(warning: lots of spoilers below)
Saw it last night (In Hawii). I thought it was great that 'Trin' died (all tooo slowly! Just die already!). Also Neo getting his eyes burned like that was cool, only problem I had with that was that it was a perfect shot. Both eyes, right across, didn't damage any other features. It should've burnt some hair or an ear too.
I'm still not sure why Neo died. When the Smith's were blown up they went back to the body they took, but not Neo's body for some reason.
The piloting scene was pretty good too.
The general was great.
It was very slow in patches (what was with the whole train station boooring bit?!) And why did they spend so long with the little indian girl? (The last ensign or some sutch?).
Cool action, booring other bits.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:31
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tell me about trin's death!
out cinema started getting bored, and whe she finally died a few people applauded that the scene was finally over!
the explanation for the real world effects, as I understand it, is that he still has influence over the source, whether in the matrix or real world.
hence he cant jump high and isn't really strong in the real world, but he can affect machines.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:45
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Who says hes dead? In that last scene where he's being taken away by the machines you "see" from his viewpoint...
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:47
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maybe i just like superman type heroes?
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:49
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Yeah I wasnt quite sure what to think of the Indian girl. If there was going to be another movie, I would say she was going to have a big part. That last line (or one of them)??
"I made the sunset for him".
That makes me think that she is a VERY important computer program. Perhaps even the source in the matrix? They were pretty intent on keeping her away from Smith. And also when she confronts Smith she says something like "they were right, you are an evil man".
I didnt mind so much Trins death. If it had of gone on any longer, I think I would have got sick of it.
Neo died because the way in which the machines killed him/Smith was basically to electrocute him. Pass a huge amount of current through his body (in the real world). So he HAD to die.
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Thu, 06 November 2003 23:52
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theres so gonna be a lead onto another movie.. or show.. or animatic or something
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Fri, 07 November 2003 00:04
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Yeah, how cool were the mechs. The other thing I didnt get was how the EMP worked. They could have just shut down all the systems for when the EMP went off, and then rebooted them later on (like what happened in the first movie on the ship). They didnt need to fry them all. Ah well.
I still think that Neo didnt kill Smith. The machins did. You saw that current going into him, and then he died. He was a computer program so that is why it was a cool way to die (all the white light).
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Fri, 07 November 2003 00:16
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yea Nark I commented about the EMP's at the end of the movie.... why the hell didn't they have a whole bunch of them sitting there and just blow them every now and then.....
ahhh well as you say it allowed for the great mech scene 
I see what your saying about neo having a power over the source, but yea it takes it into a more star wars sci-fi then a serious logical thing that could really exist and makes you think
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Fri, 07 November 2003 00:19
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if not inside.. why didnt they have the emp's as a defence mechanism sitting outside the docks...
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Fri, 07 November 2003 00:21
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| Caledwvech wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 11:04 |
I still think that Neo didnt kill Smith. The machins did. You saw that current going into him, and then he died. He was a computer program so that is why it was a cool way to die (all the white light).
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That "current" is why I think he hid in the Source and came back. I reckon he needed to do it. The machines don't have any control over Agent Smith and electrocuting his body would only server to destroy the one Agent Smith that was him. Neo needed to do it because he'd be aware of EVERY Agent Smith.
WRT to the EMP. I don't think they had time to shut down before the EMP went off. They weren't even sure if the ship was gonna make it.
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Fri, 07 November 2003 00:26
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Yeah good point about that Nark. But what I dont get is if the current/Neo affected all the Smiths, why didnt all the Smiths get affected when they were fighting? What was different this time??
True about the EMP's and no time, but remember he gave the order to "open the gates" So they knew it MIGHT happen. But even then he was resigned to losing all the systems and that was BEFORE the gates got jammed or whatever. There was time then.....
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Fri, 07 November 2003 00:49
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The Agent Smiths are each a different person so hurting one doesn't hurt another, but they are still linked together somehow. Notice how they never talk to each other but finish each others' sentences?
If he shut down the systems, he'd have no communication channels and no mechs will know what to do apart from shoot the nearest thing...
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Fri, 07 November 2003 00:54
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Hmmmm. Good point once again. So something electronic (such as a power surge) would affect them because it's a virus, but nothing else???
When they were talking about the doors (from memory it was then) there were only 13 mechs left. Surely all they would be dooing was shooting the nearest enemy anyway. But I can see your point.
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Fri, 07 November 2003 01:02
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| Caledwvech wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 11:54 |
Hmmmm. Good point once again. So something electronic (such as a power surge) would affect them because it's a virus, but nothing else???
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Not sure what you're getting at here..
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When they were talking about the doors (from memory it was then) there were only 13 mechs left. Surely all they would be dooing was shooting the nearest enemy anyway. But I can see your point.
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Not just the mechs though... The infantry wouldn't know when to reload the mechs.... All sorts of things.
Oh yeah, and about the girl. She was called the last exile. I think exiles are just programs that are meant for deletion but haven't been deleted yet. Like the keymaker, the vampires, and the ghoul twins.
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Fri, 07 November 2003 01:20
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They did talk to each other a little bit...
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Fri, 07 November 2003 01:22
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Only for comedic effect...
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Fri, 07 November 2003 01:34
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yea Nark I commented about the EMP's at the end of the movie.... why the hell didn't they have a whole bunch of them sitting there and just blow them every now and then.....
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yeah dumb as.... if EVER they were building defences for the machines you would think they would build EMP devices and have piles of them lying around rather than shooting bits of metal.
but hey, I enjoyed the scene as much as anybody.
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Fri, 07 November 2003 01:57
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| Nark wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 12:02 |
| Caledwvech wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 11:54 |
Hmmmm. Good point once again. So something electronic (such as a power surge) would affect them because it's a virus, but nothing else???
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Well, Neo was already dead by the time Agent Smith had is "white thing". And we know that the mind cannot live without the body and vice versa. Basically that is why I dont think it can be neo that killed him. But that is just me thinking.
What I was trying to get at was that why would the power surge affect all Smiths when everything else didnt? That is what I was thinking. A virus would be affected but power.
| Caledwvech wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 11:54 |
When they were talking about the doors (from memory it was then) there were only 13 mechs left. Surely all they would be dooing was shooting the nearest enemy anyway. But I can see your point.
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Not just the mechs though... The infantry wouldn't know when to reload the mechs.... All sorts of things.
Oh yeah, and about the girl. She was called the last exile. I think exiles are just programs that are meant for deletion but haven't been deleted yet. Like the keymaker, the vampires, and the ghoul twins.
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Good point about the infantry. Still doesnt make sense though. I would rather lose communication for some time and maybe lose some mechs than lose the whole dock. But that is just being picky. Loved it.
As for the girl, didnt pick that name up. But why didnt she get deleted then? How come she had the "power" to make a sunset?
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Fri, 07 November 2003 02:21
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thanks for all this to think about, and i just thought the matrix was an action movie!
sumtimes the fighting scenes are a bit to ohard to belive, like if neos so good, why is it so hard to destroy smith, then i realise wat the oracle was talking about when she said something about balancing the equation, so no matter how good neo gets, smith equalises himself to it, amazing!
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Fri, 07 November 2003 02:28
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Actually, never thought of it like that.
I always just looked at it like Smith is a computer program. It's pretty hard to kill one of those by strength of arms as such.....
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Fri, 07 November 2003 02:39
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see his strenght is dictated by the program itself, so its hard to think of a program getting better and better, it must be the most awesum artificial logic, simply amazin, and scary to boot!
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Fri, 07 November 2003 03:55
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OK, here's where it gets tricky.
Remember in Reloaded when they go to see the Merovingian in the restaurant, a man is being pushed away. He looks very sad and the Merovingian is in a great mood.
During the conversation, the Merovingian says that "Her time is almost up".
Now, watching Enter The Matrix will help at this point. The Oracle says: "Two programs that I trusted sold the termination code of my original shell to the Merovingian. For love. For the life of their child."
In Revolutions, the man is there again. With his wife, and child. And the Oracle has a new shell.
Interesting bit of trivia, the man's name is Rama-Kandra...
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In Hinduism, Rama is regarded as the seventh avatar of the god Vishnu and worshipped together with his companion Hanuman, the monkey-god who assists him in the epic narrative of the Ramayana.
He is the Prince of Ayodhya and is banished to a forest by his stepmother. While in exile, his wife, Sita, is kidnapped by Ravana, King of the Rakshas on Lanka (currently: Sri Lanka). Rama, along with Hanuman, rescued her, killed Ravana and becomes King of Ayodhya.
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I could draw parallels to him being the 7th avatar and Neo being the 6th One... Is the girl the next One?
Who knows, but it's fun to speculate!
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Fri, 07 November 2003 04:21
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Hmmmm. Interesting.
Also, isnt the lady (his wife) the lady that he gave that "special" cake to? Or have I got that totally wrong???
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Fri, 07 November 2003 04:29
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No, different woman. The cake lady was a blonde. Yummy one too!
Oh yeah, and....
Phoar!!
Shame this pic doesn't show the rest of Phersphone's dress!! 
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Fri, 07 November 2003 04:38
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Ah ok. Wasnt sure about that one.
I have thought about your theory Nark, and there are a couple of things wrong.
1. She was already able to control the matrix (the sunset). Neo was never able to do that, just manipulate the things he could do (that is the best way I can put it  ).
2. She already seemed to know a lot. Maybe it's just me, but there seemed to be a knowing look in those eyes. Neo never knew anything until much later on.
3. Neo is a by product of the machines matrix. The remainder of the equation if you like (think back to Reloaded). So that would make me think that there cannot be two of them at once.
That said, you raise some interesting questions. "who's time is almost up?" The Ocacle (he has great interest in her), or the girls. That dude being led away. Was that the time when he asked the Moravingian's permission to take her back. If he was after the girl, I dont think he would have granted that wish. However maybe he didnt know who she was.....
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Fri, 07 November 2003 05:03
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When they first met the Merovingian, Rama-Kandra was being led away after he gave the Merovingian the termination code for the Oracle's shell. This was the price he paid for the safety of his daughter.
That's why the Merovingian was in a good mood and why the Oracle was different in the third movie.
Remember when Neo first went to the Oracle, there were many kids there already (like the bald spoon bending kid). The Oracle collects kids that show power just in case that they are the One.
I've found a flaw in my Neo-hiding-in-the-Source theory... When Neo goes back to the Source the Matrix gets rebooted and recompiled... That's what the Architect was getting him to do when they met...
Although I find it strange that the Architect showed images of Trinity in trouble, thus making Neo choose the other door...
But then again, in Revolutions, the Oracle said that the Architect doesn't things like that... He just balances equations. Still logic would suggest that he shouldn't tell Neo that Trinity is in trouble at that point.
Weirdness.
Anyone else catch the pointer to balancing equations? What do you use to balance an equation? A matrix.
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Crap dude. I am only just following...... It's too late on Friday arvo after a big night to be trying to figure this out.....
Good point about the Oracle collecting kids. But why would she do it when the One is still around??? She couldnt have known he would die.
I dont think the Architect showed Neo Trinity in trouble to make him choose one. He seemed genuinely surprised by Neo's decision. But then again, I might be wrong.
Good point about the Matrix getting rebooted. However, is it really? Or are they just changing it from the way Smith had it. He said to Neo "you like my creation" or something like that. Was the source/architect just readjusting it back to what it should be (like they did in the first movie with bricking over all the windows)? You saw the deja-vu cat and everything. Wouldn't that disappear if the matrix was fully rebooted??
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Fri, 07 November 2003 05:41
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| Caledwvech wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 16:14 |
Good point about the Oracle collecting kids. But why would she do it when the One is still around??? She couldnt have known he would die.
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Maybe in preparation for the next one? Maybe in case she's wrong about Neo?
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I dont think the Architect showed Neo Trinity in trouble to make him choose one. He seemed genuinely surprised by Neo's decision. But then again, I might be wrong.
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Yes, he was surprised. He doesn't understand. But my point is that logic would tell you that if you want someone to choose to do something, you don't show them things that could make the decide against that decision!
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Good point about the Matrix getting rebooted. However, is it really? Or are they just changing it from the way Smith had it. He said to Neo "you like my creation" or something like that. Was the source/architect just readjusting it back to what it should be (like they did in the first movie with bricking over all the windows)? You saw the deja-vu cat and everything. Wouldn't that disappear if the matrix was fully rebooted??
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No, the whole point to controlling the One is to make him go to the Source so that the Matrix can be rebooted and recomipled with the code that he carries.
I think Smith was talking about the rain or how he'd changed the Matrix to suit himself.
The deja-vu was the code being changed. In this case, it was being changed back to normal to get rid of Agent Smith's influence.
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the last fight scene reminded me alot of a dragonball Z fight ..
i was expecting neo to go " super saiyan " - and kamayahaya Smiths ass
movie preference - the first still is the best - then second - then third ..
the Zion thing was pretty cool - well done - but it did drag out ..
The ship chase was sweet - very well done ..
They should have had more " on the ground " fights then in the air shit ..
Overall - i expect a 4th in some form
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Well I went and saw it last night and I can openly say that I thought it was a major let down 
I just felt that it lacked all the subtlety / originality of the first one, stuff Like "I know kung fu.." -> "show me" then a great fight scene (I felt there were no fight scenes that really live upto that in revolutions I feel)
The dock / the mechs were cool, but there were a few stupid things like why weren't there emp's at zion for protection?
Also I didn't really like the way neo could see in the real world / influence machines because he still had some connection to the source, what a joke, at least everything in the first two movies was mostly explainable. No explanation for the "link" was given :S
Agent smith was the systems way of balancing out the anomaly (neo), I guess the system keep trying to "balance" (ie get rid of neo) until smith just expand (much like you keep adding opposites until the equation balances) a value to cancel out an equation.....so when neo lets agent smith "take him over" they cancel each other out?
Also how come in reloaded agent smith cant fly (gives stupid look to his mates as neo flys away from the first group of agent smiths) and in this one he can?
Yeah anyway I wasn't real impressed, maybe its just my interpretation?
Oh and I originally thought that the little Indian girl was "peace" (the oracle saves peace...) but then I thought what use does a the system have with peace! So now I have no idea again 
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Oh and that little girl was just a rogue program who perhaps I think controlled the weather?
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| Nark wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 16:03 |
why the Oracle was different in the third movie.
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She was also different because the woman who played her in 1 and 2 died!
A little dissapointing as an induvidual movie but in context of them all not too bad.
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At least they didn't just try to pass her off as the same person in the third movie and actually came up with something to justify the different person.
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Yes that was actually rewritten throught the inital shooting of the movie. Some work had been done on scenes without her but discussing her and so had to be redone. Sad to have her die but there were a few less than impressed execs and writers at the time.
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| Caledwvech wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 12:57 |
Well, Neo was already dead by the time Agent Smith had is "white thing".
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I don't believe so.
As I said before, my theory is that he hid in the Source.
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What I was trying to get at was that why would the power surge affect all Smiths when everything else didnt? That is what I was thinking. A virus would be affected but power.
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I don't think a virus is a plausible explanation. He didn't double-click on any email attachments! hehe
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As for the girl, didnt pick that name up. But why didnt she get deleted then? How come she had the "power" to make a sunset?
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She was meant for deletion, but her parents made a deal with the Merovingian who smuggles her out via the Trainmaster.
Not sure what her powers were. Don't remember the roles of her parents so I wouldn't even begin to be able to guess. Didn't even know that programs could procreate!
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| wilbo666 wrote on Sat, 08 November 2003 09:39 |
Agent smith was the systems way of balancing out the anomaly (neo), I guess the system keep trying to "balance" (ie get rid of neo) until smith just expand (much like you keep adding opposites until the equation balances) a value to cancel out an equation.....so when neo lets agent smith "take him over" they cancel each other out?
Also how come in reloaded agent smith cant fly (gives stupid look to his mates as neo flys away from the first group of agent smiths) and in this one he can?
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You answered your own question in the paragraph before... As Neo gets more powerful (see how much faster he gets every time he flys?), Agent Smith also gets more powerful because the system is balancing itself out.
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Oh and that little girl was just a rogue program who perhaps I think controlled the weather?
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| Nark wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 16:03 |
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However, smith is growing in power because he inherits the strengths of everyone he clones himself to. His growth is not being controlled by the system. In fact, every one of the three controlling parts (architect, source, and oracle) are scared of his growing power. Certainly they would not be directing its growth to 'balance' Neo!
Other important questions that are hints we haven't understood yet: how did neo get into and interact with the matrix (the station) without being connected? They made a big point of emphasizing that, but did not openly say why they put that into the story. Surely it is a BIG clue to something.
And who is the Merovingian? There is more to him than just a regular program. Remember how he had vampires that were 'left over' from a previous Matrix. He has access at a level that is not affected by the rebooting of the Matrix. He is more important to the basic plot than just 'someone to beware of'. We need to think more about him.
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| Classique71 wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 19:37 |
Overall - i expect a 4th in some form
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rumour is that there will be another anime style collection of short stories depicting events leading to the end of the war from others points of view and something similar to "the second reneisance" showing what happens after.
Ive noticed in all three movies that there is not one thing said in the movie that does not have symbolism or meaning. Its sorta like reading that kids book, "the 11th hour". I wish i could be back in year 10.. it would be pisser to study the symbolism and dramatic tecnique in the matrix for the major english assignment.
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the only prolem i had was how they explained how the people can be free'd from the matrix in the last 3 sec's of the movie, but didnt explain it. "if they want out they can b free'd" ok wtf does that mean....
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i think what that is saying is that if the want to be free'd then the matrix will let them go from the system
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| RobST162 wrote on Mon, 10 November 2003 14:36 |
However, smith is growing in power because he inherits the strengths of everyone he clones himself to. His growth is not being controlled by the system. In fact, every one of the three controlling parts (architect, source, and oracle) are scared of his growing power. Certainly they would not be directing its growth to 'balance' Neo!
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Why not? It's a mathematical system trying to balance itself out...
For an absolutely great description of the REAL mathematics involved, check out this article.
http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=169_0_2_0_M
The whole essay is well worth the read really.
| RobST162 wrote on Mon, 10 November 2003 14:36 |
Other important questions that are hints we haven't understood yet: how did neo get into and interact with the matrix (the station) without being connected? They made a big point of emphasizing that, but did not openly say why they put that into the story. Surely it is a BIG clue to something.
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It's because he's connected to the Source. The Oracle said so when Neo met her again and asked her the exact same question.
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And who is the Merovingian? There is more to him than just a regular program. Remember how he had vampires that were 'left over' from a previous Matrix. He has access at a level that is not affected by the rebooting of the Matrix. He is more important to the basic plot than just 'someone to beware of'. We need to think more about him.
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The Merovingian is in charge of the flow of information. Kinda like the TCP/IP layer of an operating system I suppose.
He has the power (through the trainman) to hide exiles (programs meant for deletion). Any exiles that he sees that are useful, he keeps.
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Why not is because they are actively trying to destroy Smith's power. Although they are a computer system, they have developed wills which respond to the need for self preservation. They do not just react blindly.
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"It's because he's connected to the Source."
But is that a spiritual connection? It isn't physical. So the source has evolved past machine/computer to spiritual AND machine?
PS - how do you put quotes in that white box? :roll:
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Go <quote>insert text here</quote> except for replace all the < with [ and all the > with ]
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But is that a spiritual connection? It isn't physical. So the source has evolved past machine/computer to spiritual AND machine?
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Yeah, it's not physical... It's some sort of "thing"... This is the part I don't like about the films. It just..... *is*....
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Yeah, it's not physical... It's some sort of "thing"... This is the part I don't like about the films.
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