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RB30DET into TA22
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Sat, 08 November 2003 20:23
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I've heard its been done? And If anyone has seen or know someone with this conversion I'd love to see it. I'e always wanted to put a 6cyl in my Celica. What better than the turbo one in question. Any thoughts ppls?
Cheers
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sat, 08 November 2003 23:03
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RB series engines are quite big; it will never fit in a TA22 without major surgery, and of course there's not a chance of getting it street legal. And even if you could, it would fuck the handling. Stick with the 4-bangers.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 01:34
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yup norbies right ... Again ..
Stick with the 4 cyl brigade - sr20's fit ( seen it ) , ca18's would proabbly fit too though i havent seen one done
Your really better off looking at a 3tgte if you want power and turbo for a ta22 - its by far the easiest path ( bar turbocharging a 2tgeu )to get a boosted EFI motor into a t22 witrhout totally killing how it handles
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 01:37
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I've seen various V8s, JZ's, 1G's and others put into TA22s, and surprisingly some of them were legal too! Thing is, a rebuilt twin cam RB30 isn't exactly a cheap thing to do anyway, why not start with, say, a 3SGTE, which will still potentially give you 300+kw at the wheels, which is enough to frighten grandma when it's in a car that's constructed like a beercan. Just a thought  Also, I understand the RB engines are a bit longer than the Toyota sixes, althogh I haven't measured them myself.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 01:39
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention rotors 
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 02:24
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If you wanted to go 6 cylinder, the easiest 6 cylinder would be the 1g-gte. Would involve changing the current crossmember a little, or probably easier swapping to an R series X-member then doing the usual 1g-gte conversion as detailed under articles on this forum.
Not sure about the clearance in a ta22 though.. might need some firewall/nosecone mods to get it to fit? But it's been done before.
But you get more engineering/registration hassles with that.. The 2t-geu (has low compression, 8.4:1 standard) so can handle a turbo, or a 3t-gte is already turbo, either of these two fours would be the easiest, legal(ist) option.
Like what other people have said, i'd stick with the 4. (for now)
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 02:30
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Ok - bets start here to if he will listen to good advice 
* chuckles *
if i get another ta22 - id probably look at the 2tgeu turbo option - or 3t for definate .. Turbo's are my friend now ..
Though a nice quad throttle black/silvertop 4ag would be revvy and fun
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 02:33
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I tell you what: When i have photos of how small my 8 looks in the supra, you may be surprised, as itd fit in a ta22 quite happily with room to spare.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 02:44
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ive seen ythe same motor as yours in a ta22 ( 5 litre windsor )
while it was a straight line weapon - it didint turn all that well - too heavy up front ..
too big a motor for the car in my oppinion ..
you cant beat turbo 4's in a ta22
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 02:53
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yeah true that, though the 8's are small..they share the same weight as the 6's
Out of interests sake, my windsor weighs a little less than a 5me
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 04:02
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5me are giant boat anchors tho
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 06:08
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ok so it weighs about the same as a 7m 
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 10:07
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Windsor V8s are actually pretty small, but then again so are Commodore V6s! I've seen both in TA22s, and they fit quite happily. It's just a matter of what kind of engine rings your bell more than anything else - V8_MA61 is using the Windsor for his own reasons, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, even though *SOME* on here have had a good cry about it! Whether you use a rotor, turbo 4, 6 or 8 is entirely up to what rings your bell, really... Oh, and how much money you've got!
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 10:32
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im glad you mention my name in the comment you made then mrshin
I chose a v8 simply because:
-Massive low down grunt, shitloads of torque the stuff that makes you feel sick!
-Sound of one...you cant beat it!
-Quick, responsive power.
-Easy to work on
-Depending on what parts you choose to build it with, spares are easy to find.
- And massive potential. it can always be turboed or supercharged if such power is desired.
Blake.
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Sun, 09 November 2003 23:56
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VG30-DETT 
Although this is a pretty big engine would be awesome though.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 01:17
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I doubt it would fit between the strut towers... VG30DETT's are very wide engines, which is part of the reason you rarely seem them used in engine conversions.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 01:23
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you're telling me
trying to work on a 300zx is like a chihuaha trying to give birth to an alsation.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 05:36
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VG30's are very reliable...just not in the 300ZX situation where they tend to have mucho cooling problems due to being mashed in that engine bay!
That said, I'd much rather a JZ engine anyway.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 07:20
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Well i don't think you'll be getting a 1/2jz or 7m into a TA22. And as far as V6's go, I would choose a VG30 over a commondoor motor anyday. I hear what your saying about the width, as I said they are a big motor, but until someone measures it, it is just an opinion and they come real cheap on forums.
How about the camry V6. I don't know much about them, but might be an option if your after a bigger engine. With a couple of turbo's or a supercharger it would be very impressive.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 07:26
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For the TA22 you have a few options:
4A-GE
4A-GZE
4A-GTE
3S-GE
3S-GTE
If thats not good enough, go buy a freakin Honda 
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October 2003
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 07:35
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If you do decide on an rb series engine. go the rb20det. It is an extremely underated engine that drills the rb30det and keeps the capacity down for engineering sake. By the way a standard 2tg can come with 8.8 or 9.8 compression and the efi ones all had 9.8 as far as i know.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 07:47
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nah, I wont be putting an 6/8cyl in my car.
just wanted to see some pics of it really. Hey cool1 what about the T series engine? (2t,3t)
anyone know whether or not the EFI 2TGEU will definatly come with 9.8 compression? Will this still be able to cope with an SC12 Supercharger?
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 07:58
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The width issue with the VG30DETT isn't just the engine itself. Its more the location of the turbos and the manifolds that make the engine really wide.
How do I know? A guy from uni has a brother with a Mk2 Supra who's putting a VG30DETT in and is finding out the hard way.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 08:01
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Rb30's arent shy on power either brenton. My dad had an ex -pursuit vl commodore which had a garret t04, and it ran a low 13 (cant remember exactly) and put down somewhere around the 26-270kw figure...running 11psi. Bottom ends are bulletproof, but they are prone to cracking heads if they are cooked.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 08:18
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RB20s are in some ways the pick of the bunch if you want to leave the innards stock, but then some will argue that 1Gs are in fact stronger anyway, and I know they definately aren't weaklings... But once again, sixes do make the fitting process a bit of a challenge
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 08:20
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yeah..speak to kirk! He doesnt have much room left with a 1g, in an ra28..which from memory has a fair bit bigger bay!
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 09:14
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Mon, 10 November 2003 18:20 |
yeah..speak to kirk! He doesnt have much room left with a 1g, in an ra28..which from memory has a fair bit bigger bay!
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and helmans's yellow RA40 with 1G inserted (before i wrecked it for parts) was very snug at firewall, custom-mounted radiator and intake side
charles
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 09:30
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everyone seems to love 1g gte's in their celica's.. and why wouldnt they.. tt 6 to replace a n/a 4.. its gotta be good
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 13:37
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On a slight side note, I was having alot of my radiator fluid vanish into thin air, thought it might of been a H/G  cause I'd checked all the hoses etc. It turned out that there was a crack on the underside of one of my radiator hoses, and it was dripping onto a hope piece of the chassis and evaporating(thus no drips), anyway the point to all this is that I got my mechanic to pressure test the engine, he said it held 13psi for 2 hours no hassels, thats a good thing right? Theoretically that means I could run a Turbo @ 13psi without too many issues, I was considering whacking a hi flowed CT20 on my car, but I only want to run it at like 6-7psi....just curious thats all. I've got a 2T-GEU with a 88261 head.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 13:49
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not really - a pressure test is all well and good, but it doesn't test the effect of using all that air in the combustion chamber (with more fuel), the pinging that would probably result, etc etc.
*lots* of things to factor in
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Sydney
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 13:52
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Thought as much, I'm just glad it was some stupid hose and nothing more serious, dont believe I didn't see the crack  Anyway he seemed surprised that it held 13psi....
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Mon, 10 November 2003 21:07
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Alchemist, you will probably find that the mechanic pressure tested your cooling system which has nothing to do with the combustion chamber. Your combustion pressures will be considerably higher than that.
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Re: RB30DET into TA22
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Tue, 11 November 2003 07:16
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gold28 you could well be right but thats why I take it to a mechanic for stuff I dont understand Taken all our cars there last 10 years so I know it gets looked after.
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