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22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Thu, 25 July 2002 03:06
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Are you guys familiar with the 22RTE? Will it fit in the RA21 Celica?
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Thu, 25 July 2002 06:02
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man that would be a rocket, all that torque in such a small wheelbase car
if youve already got one, go for it, straight drop in
im not sure of the weight difference between a 18rc and a 22re but i bet it is minimal
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Thu, 25 July 2002 06:51
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With 135bhp on tap it won't be a rocket by any means. Sure the 22R-TE has lots of torque, which may come in handy if you're using your Celica to tow boats or something.
This engine will not fit in a LHD Celica, as the exhaust fouls the steering. These engine have a tiny turbo and poor manifold design anyway, so if you want a turbo 22R you're better off having a custom manifold made and putting a decent turbo on it. I wouldn't bother with a stock 22R-TE.
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Thu, 25 July 2002 07:21
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whoops LHD didnt think of that
hey norbie, the choice in motors over there is minimal and they have all that smog control shit, from what i understand 22re are plentiful and they have all the shops who make aftermarket parts for them, so they are cheap and easy to find....who cares about towing a boat you should know all that torque and power curve is changed simply by swapping a cam 
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Thu, 25 July 2002 14:40
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Thanks for the replies.
About the smog, restrictions & air control stuff, it only applies to cars that are '74 and newer. Luckily my car is a '73, exempt.
Right now my Celica has the stock 18R-C. Would the auto tranny from the 20R, 22R or 22RE fit into the 18R?
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Fri, 26 July 2002 07:04
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The 22R needs more than a cam to make it breathe properly. The cylinder head is actually designed to be restrictive to make good torque at low rpm. If you want to move the peak torque to higher rpm, you need to do a lot of head work. Basically, it's not worth the effort. If you're in North America and want a cheap power-up, I'd recommend the 20R - they're 200cc smaller than the 22R, but the cylinder head flows twice as good so they have a much better potential for performance applications.
All R series transmissions are interchangeable.
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Sat, 27 July 2002 04:47
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| Norbie wrote on Fri, 26 July 2002 12:04 AM |
...I'd recommend the 20R - they're 200cc smaller than the 22R, but the cylinder head flows twice as good so they have a much better potential for performance applications.
All R series transmissions are interchangeable.
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OK, cool. I'll try to find a good 20R later.
What parts would I need to do a tranny swap? I want to do a manual to auto swap.
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Sat, 27 July 2002 06:46
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You'll need the transmission, crossmember and pedal box. You will also need a trans fluid cooler (these are integrated into the radiator from the factory). From memory the tailshaft is the same length so you won't have to get that modified.
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Sat, 27 July 2002 09:27
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theres an old trick a lot of people have done in the OCC list and that is use the 22re block but with a 20r head the idea of this is obviously keeping the 2.4 litre capacity (as they say cubs are power) but using the 20r less restrictive head
also as a point of interest a majorly ported 22re head flows a lot better than a majorly ported 20r head...and the 22re uses fuel injection
i say swap the cam in favour of something bigger say 274/274 (11.04 lift) port the head, bigger injectors and use the supra 5mge air flow meter, swap computers and you have already doubled the stock horsepower (200+) all depends on the cam of course
im just waiting for mine to arrive then its off for a dyno run and a quick fly down the quarter mile, to see how we go
cheers
wayne
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Sat, 27 July 2002 15:52
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The 20R and 22R are old tech engines but are very reliable and are plentiful in the US. These engines can be made to put out 200+hp na and double that with turbocharging. The 20R and 22R engines produce good low end torque which makes them good a good choice for daily driven street cars. If your prime goal is power and speed then there are other engine choices which are probably better ie. 3SGTE and 2JZGTE. Check out these websites, they may help you out.
http://www.sdsefi.com/features/sept01toy.htm
http://www.well.com/~mosk/welcome.htm
http://www.lcengineering.com/home.htm
Dano
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Mon, 29 July 2002 06:39
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OK, good thing. I was wondering if the tailshaft(driveshaft here in US) was different. What about a torque converter? Would I have to get that too?
I do plan to keep it a street car.
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Tue, 30 July 2002 11:24
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im just waiting for mine to arrive then its off for a dyno run and a quick fly down the quarter mile, to see how we go
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should arrive very soon!!
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Thu, 01 August 2002 05:47
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Just throwing out another question. Would a 7MGTE fit nicely/easily in my Celica? Or am I dreaming?
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Re: 22R-TE in RA21 Celica?
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Thu, 01 August 2002 05:52
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It won't fit without moving the firewall. And even if it did fit, it would totally ruin the handling of a well-balanced chassis. M series engines are very heavy!
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