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Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 04:03
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Been through this before but wasnt answered very well,
so guys please help out
I want to get some 17's for me RWD RA65 celica.
1) what is the orig size on them 14" wheels 14x6 14x5 ?
2) hence will it be illegal to go 17x7
3) i realise that insurance may not pay your claims if you
crash.. tough.. (lucky i didnt have them rims on my car when
i did crash !)
4) will any 4 stud pattern mag fit any 4 stud pattern car ?
5) someone mentioned spacers - legal or not ?
Basically want to know if my car will drive well or not with 17's on them.. pretty much understand that it will be illegal to have 17s on it.
Oh also...I understand the offset thing - dont care... if it sits on the car - FINE !! 
Thanks guys
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 04:46
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The stock rims are 14" x 5.5"
As long as the offset is right, and you have the correct 4 stud ie. 4 x 114.3mm then they should fit.
As far as I know spacers themselves are illegal. I've heard though you can get spacers welded to the hub and get these passed by engineer which would broaden choices. Can anyone back me up on this?
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July 2002
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 05:02
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Spacers are definately illegal. Not too sure if they are welded if they are or not. As far as size goes i think 2" increase over stock is legal. So you would have to find if any versions of that model came out with 15" as standard to fit 17" legally. Check with state authority first tho to be sure.
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 05:04
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I think Draven's car came with 15" x 6.5", although I don't know if they were dealer feature or limited model...
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 05:04
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Spacers are legal in QLD if they are fixed to the rim! Should be the same in other states!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 05:11
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I've read that welding to the rim causes the allow to root up, wouldn't the hub be better?+
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 07:18
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Most of the time the spacer is'nt welded on! It should be pressed on! And as far as I know if you put a spacer on the hub you will need an Engineers certificate because you are making a part of the car non-standard!
I could be wrong, It would'nt be the first time!
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 25 July 2002 07:27
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Standard is 14x5.5".
Stud pattern is 4x114.3. There is another 4 stud pattern which is 4x100 so not all 4 stud rims will fit.
Offset does matter, a FWD offset will make your wheels sit in too far...
You might have to contact the RTA about whether 17x7" are legal. I've seen evidence that it's legal and also evidence that it's illegal but never bothered to research it too far.
Our front struts definately come factory with 15"s. And also 7" wide mags.
Not sure what size rims have gone on a live T-series rear axle, anyone know?
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June 2002
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Sat, 27 July 2002 00:10
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Hey, im putting MkIV Supra running gear under my celica ... does that then mean I will be able to run wheels 2" above celica stds, or supra stds? (I'm guessing I'll find out for sure when i get it engineered :/)
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Sat, 27 July 2002 13:35
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2" above the axle's maximum...
But going extra in width is dependant upon your car's weight from what I remember...
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Sun, 28 July 2002 02:35
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Hi, just adding abit of stuff i've heard. I read on the RTA website that you are allowed no more than 26mm wider than the largest optional wheel recommended by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle. The outside diameter of the WHEEL & TYRE is to be no more than 15mm larger than the largest optional wheel recommended by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle. And the track is to be no more than 25mm larger or smaller than standard. Where this comes into play with that 'PLUS 2 FITMENT' rule, i have no idea. Everybody has different ideas. I am trying to put 18's on my TA22 and everybody i talk to has a different idea of what is legal. Whether this is due to the fact that i live in the ACT and i have been talking to people in both NSW and ACT, i dunno. I have been pulled over with 17's on my car and the police didn't look twice at them. However they were looking for wepons in my car, so i think they may have had some other more important thing to do than just defect my car.(for once). Just look up any info you can find on ADR 24 and you may be able to find what you're after. (www.rta.nsw.gov.au)
No not all four stud cars are the same. There are many different four-stud patterns, however most japanese 4 stud cars are the same. I've put my 17's on everything from my TA22, KE38 corolla panelvan, Sigma, Datto 1600, Starion, Sprinter and many more. However Gemini's have their own stupid rare-as stud pattern, and Escorts are different again. Then you have italian fiat's and Alfa's, which i think are different again.
Offset is very important. if you just go grab some wheels off a front-wheel-drive Cordia, chances are they will fit on the back of your car, but will hit the front strut. And if you do the oppostie, the rwd wheels on a fwd car will stick out of the guards. But even if you can fit the 'wrong' offset wheels on your car without them hitting the strut or whatever, this is not recommended due to the high strain levels put on your suspension components.
Anyway, i'll let you go, and if anyone knows of a cheapish engineer who'll engineer 18's on a TA22, let me know please!
André
P.S Spacers ARE illegal no-matter what. Having to run spacers usually means you have the wrong offset wheels which will be putting excess strain on your suspension.
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Tue, 30 July 2002 12:41
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Just a another question.
It could be stupid, but just what is offset. I've heard it's not the stud pattern. Commonsense would dictate that it's how far the wheel sticks out from the hub, but how do you measure that and how would you know what wheels suit?
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A.C.T
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July 2002
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Lake Macquarie
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July 2002
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Wed, 07 August 2002 14:03
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So if i put new struts with bigger stub axels etc and bigger diff, can i use the wheel sises/wheel track that came with this equipment, or is it you just cant go over what the car originally came out with, and they dont care about the upgraded components?
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A.C.T
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Re: Who knows RIMS best ?!?!
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Thu, 15 August 2002 05:16
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pretty sure it's the axle's maximum. Go to the RTA website to find out. I would also like to know if anyone can tell me what struts to put into the front of my TA22 that will allow me to be able to get an engineers certificate for 18 inch rims? Any help would be great. Thanx in advance
André
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