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GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 18 November 2003 02:30
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I have an Aussie delivered ST185 GrpA 3SGTE for sale. Engine is immaculate and has had every Toyota service up until it's currently 130K km. Engine is stock but does have an Aussie Exhaust 3.5 inch dump pipe off the turbo. $1000 bare, $1500 with GrpA ECU.
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Location:
Newcastle
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August 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 18 November 2003 03:19
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Whats special about Group A in this instance?
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Location:
Canberra
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June 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 18 November 2003 03:37
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Well the air/water IC would be if it came with that  But really it would be the ECU in this case which has the higher fuel cut and is properly mapped to 17psi whereas the normal GT4 ECU isn't. I'm pretty sure the rest of the mechanicals are the same between the non and GrpA Gen II 3SGTE's. The turbo's can be a slightly different spec but again i'm pretty sure all the aussie ST185's got the same turbo.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 18 November 2003 08:22
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thats about it !
the blocks are identical - the head has slightly different Valve cutting - done by laser instead of otherwise i think, better ECU - the water to air intercooler + same turbo
Still a bloody good buy at 1500 peso's with the Group A ecu if its in such good order
A standard motor alone with ecu sets back over 2K at the moment thru the importers - and they aint even a Group A !
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May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Wed, 19 November 2003 12:38
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GRP A motors have a 55mm throttle body whilst normal GT4s are 50mm. They are interchangeable.
Anhar Khamas
GT4 Group A
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Location:
melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Wed, 19 November 2003 13:43
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so what are you actually selling? just the engine and ecu?
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Location:
Redbank Plains,near Ipswi...
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Thu, 20 November 2003 00:53
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I understand the Aust delivered GpA celicas are not proper GpA homologation cars--they were all sold in japan and europe, with us just getting a few bits of trivia. moslty, it was because the makers could not be bothered with recertification to ADR's. if you look at the FIA home page, they have a list of all the GpA homologation papers issued. if you buy these direct, or thru CAMS, you will find all the proper GpA mods detailed, be they sporting evolution, model upgrades or whatever
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Thu, 20 November 2003 12:55
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will u ship it my mate is lookin for a 3sgte group a
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Location:
Perth WA
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May 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Sun, 23 November 2003 09:11
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is this still for saler. could i get some pics??/
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Location:
Canberra
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June 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Mon, 24 November 2003 02:38
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Sorry terry but the 150 Carlos Sainz signature GrpA's brought to Oz are part of the 5000 homologation run and are identical to what you will find o/s (except where an o/s car is left hand drive).
Yes i will ship anywhere at buyers expense.
Team_weall i'll get you some pics asap.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Mon, 24 November 2003 11:37
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nods to justen - our " carlos sainz " gt4's are identical in every way to those overseas and in japan - bar for the name " carlos sainz " and the limted edition plating
In japan they were known as the "RC" models ( saw one today in fact - its IDENTICAL to look at bar badging to the one justen now has ( and its black ! )
we blessed with oz spec Gt4's also got the Steel shafted turbo's instead of the japanese ceramic ones - so mechanically ours are Better than the grey imports - bar for the fact they ahve a slightly more powerful ecu runing them ( 5kw difference in favourto stock st185 jdm over oz spec i think in overall power output due to timing curves and consideration for better fuel.
All st185 GT4's have the torsen type rear LSD unit - regardless of group a or not.
On the other side of the coin the jap cars got more fancy gagetry and electronics the oz ones had so they are a bit more piggy in the weight stakes ( im happy with a 10 - 20 KG weight saving not having electric seats/bum warmers - or fancy zippy back rear view mirrors Etc..Anyway - its still a bargain buy for anyone wanting a great strong Gt4 motor
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
August 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Mon, 24 November 2003 22:25
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| Classique71 wrote on Mon, 24 November 2003 22:37 |
On the other side of the coin the jap cars got more fancy gagetry and electronics the oz ones had so they are a bit more piggy in the weight stakes ( im happy with a 10 - 20 KG weight saving not having electric seats/bum warmers - or fancy zippy back rear view mirrors Etc..Anyway - its still a bargain buy for anyone wanting a great strong Gt4 motor
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Plus climate control AC & Factory Elec Sunroof  and the zippy back mirrors are great when you need that extra bit of speed (I thought they were an aerodynamic improvement for land speed records  )
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Location:
Redbank Plains,near Ipswi...
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Mon, 24 November 2003 22:34
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I dont profess to be a celica Gp A expert but was recalling what i was told when they were selling here new and competing internationally. I did have a quick squiz at the parts list and it shows the aust spec ECU is unique--this suggests some tuning differences. Can one of the GT4 experts confirm what rear diff they used on both 185 & 205 models--I was led to believe it was unique but a guy bought one to me recently to check over and it was just an ordinary 7.1" size torsen LSD, but the spline was not like any other toyota I have seen , otherwise nothing special at all by the look.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 25 November 2003 01:33
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The oz spec ecu's on standard gt4's like mine are lower rated than the JDM version - The group A is identical thru out the world . Standard spec 185 oz cars were detuned lightly to compensate for the lower octane fuels we run ( 95-96 ron ) - JDM ones were tuned to run proper 98 ron and get the benifits from it ( timing curve is a little different i beleive too )
Standard JDM and oz spec st185 ECU's were mapped for 13-14 psi boost limit , Group a's run 17psi on a higher mapping
As before this adequates to about 5kw difference at the wheels in favour of the JDM 185's
ive confirmed with neal bates motorsport ( neal himself ) that the Rear diffs in the oz spec Gt4 is exactly the same to the group A 185 and 205 diffs .. bar mounting points to suit the 205 body the rear diff setup are identical. he also pointed out that the autralian st185's got the steel shafted ct26's ( same as group A ) instead of the ceramic jobbies on the JDM
Hope that helps terry
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 25 November 2003 01:34
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BTW justen - would you sell the dump pipe seperate ?
Id be interested in that - if its still in good order + has the 2 sensor point things on it..
Otherwise ill be ordering a new one this week from Aussie Exhausts.
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
June 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 25 November 2003 02:54
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Sorry but the dump pipe is staying with the engine at this stage which is still for sale. Just drove up to Bathurst and back and she ran like a dream, 10km/l economy cruising thru the twisty back roads.
If anyone wants pics email me direct
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 25 November 2003 09:28
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NP justen - just thought id ask!
the 3sgte's are lovely on the highway - i averaged about the same on my trip to sydney
600 odd K from a tank no problems
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Location:
Perth WA
Registered:
May 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Thu, 27 November 2003 23:12
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dude i emailed for some pics a couple days ago u never got back to me. could u please email em to dweall@badmama.com.au im very interested and have cash available. im in WA but freight isnt a problem for me as i know a fair few truckies ect
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
September 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Fri, 28 November 2003 02:08
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Team Weall, Justen is off work at the moment until Tuesday. I just spoke to him and he asked me to get you to email him direct
at; SimpsonJ@epa.nsw.gov.au
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Ademelaide, SA
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Tue, 02 December 2003 23:49
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hey, just wondering, is this for sale still?
i'm VERY keen to buy it, and get it shipped to adelaide.
give me a call ASAP on 0418 999 346
cheers
steve
also PM'd you
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
June 2003
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Wed, 03 December 2003 01:46
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Hey all,
I've tried to send pics to all that emailed me direct but some kept bouncing. Kinda lost track of who's who with all the interest but if you haven't seen a pic you can assume you were a bouncer
It's not sold as yet but it's down to who come's up with some money 1st. Happy to take a holding deposit but if so consider it a definite sale.
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Thu, 23 December 2004 06:02
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have you sold it yet? if not will u ship and does it inculde the loom and ecu
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth, Western Australia
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Thu, 23 December 2004 06:13
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Fuck man, stop dragging up old threads - use the PM feature if you want to chase an old sale?!
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: GrpA 3SGTE FS
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Thu, 23 December 2004 07:14
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common man, cant you read the date??
stop digging up old threads.
LOCKED.
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