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Fri, 26 July 2002 03:44
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G'day all
I am in need of a new engine in my RA28 (77 Celica Liftback)
Do any of you know what other engines would fit without modification? I would like to put in say 2.4 EFI but am unsure what my options are.
Thanks
Peter 
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Tue, 30 July 2002 10:56
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I'd put an 18RGEU in it.
2L Twin Overhead Cam,
My mate has one in his RA28, Kicked Ass !!
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Tue, 30 July 2002 10:58
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2.4 EFI requires a computer, dont worry unless you have money to waste.
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Tue, 30 July 2002 22:46
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1g-gte 
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Wed, 31 July 2002 02:40
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Thanks Guys
Where would I find an engine? Is there somewhere I can get a reconditioned one? How much am I likely to pay?
Is an 18RGEU a reworked 18R?
Ive seen a lot of discussion on the 1g-gte can you tell me more about it?
Cheers
Peter
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Wed, 30 October 2002 02:30
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correct me if im wrong
but the 1ggte is a 2l?? 6cyl twin cam twin turbo
more work than i could be bothered with... need new brakes
diff.. maybe tail shaft and engineering
id go the 18rg
running twin webbers
sounds tuff goes hard easy to work on and cheap to buy,
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Re: Replacement engine for RA28 - what fits?
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Thu, 31 October 2002 05:37
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I got an RA28 with a 3t-gte.
Am on the coast also incase you want to check it out.
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Fri, 01 November 2002 06:35
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Hey alwaysra23, you got a funny idea of "goes hard"!!
UABV2, mate go for the 1ggte, bolts straight in (almost) and is worth every cent of the $ it costs to do.
The 1g will TRANSFORM your celica, I have seen it a number of times. Great engine for old celicas !!
Matt
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Tue, 01 April 2003 08:43
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I know the guy with the 18RGEU that Supraman refers to and the car friggin rocks, when it gets back on the road. 
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I have a AE92 seca but for what its worth, I know a few pweople with RA28 celicas so I know a little about them. IFor what its worth, I know of a guy who owns a RA28 celica and went and put a 1GZ GTE into it. Its the smoothest driving celica I have ever seen on the road. Goes like a bullet and sounds great. It all depends on what results you want and how much your willing to spend. A 3SGTE out of a GT4 celica would also be a great choice if your willing to spend a bit of money and want good results from it. I would love to modify a RA28 as a project car but no1 wants to give me 1 to play with.
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Fri, 11 April 2003 11:29
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so which ones the best, witht the most power and speed ???
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Re: Replacement engine for RA28 - what fits?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 23:32
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7MGTE or 1JZGTE 
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Tue, 22 April 2003 23:23
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DEfinently the 7MGTE or the 1JZGTE. Not sure how much work would be involved in this conversion though. Would make the car a real weapon if you could do it.
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Wed, 23 April 2003 04:50
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Does the 1jzgte bolt straight into a ra28?? What mods need to be done.?? Does it need to be engineered?? Does anyone know of an engineer??
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Wed, 23 April 2003 08:59
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I doubt the 1GZGTE would bolt straight in. New engine mounts woud need to be put in, even if you used the existing ones out of the front half cut if you were to get hold of 1. Apparently it is a pretty tight squeze in there but it will fit. Obviously being a twin turbo 6 cyl means a much bigger engine but a massive power output. Im not sure if this would mean upgrading your fuel pumps and you may even need a stronger rear dif. Power in a RA28 would be outstanding and it would give most cars on the road a run for their money. For this conversion you would probably be looking at around the $5000 mark if not slghtly higher. Thats for half cut and have it all professionally installed. I strongly advise and incourage the conversion though.
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Thu, 24 April 2003 02:48
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| rockguru wrote on Wed, 23 April 2003 14:50 |
Does the 1jzgte bolt straight into a ra28?? What mods need to be done.?? Does it need to be engineered?? Does anyone know of an engineer??
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Hellll NO!
Engineered: Hellll YEAH!
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Thu, 08 May 2003 06:18
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Antone know of an engineer on the Coast who can tell me abou this process??
Or can help me decide on an engine and the cost.
do the new RTA rules let you do this conversion
Ra28 - 1jzgte???
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Thu, 08 May 2003 14:47
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ROCKGURU----->
I know of an engineer. He engineered my Supra when I got it from japan. give me a call on my mobile, and i will give you his number. He is at Wyong.
1JZGTE......Dude, an excellent choice. I cant reccomend it highly enough. I personally know one member of TOYMODS who has done this conversion, CELICAMAD, and I am sure there are more. (his is an TA23 i think)same as your old one. Yes it is legal. Contact SUPRA mad for conversion price, or call me and iwill give you his email address. i have it here somewhere. He is located in newcastle.
see ya...
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Tue, 07 October 2003 09:14
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i am now thinking of a turbo upgrade for my 18RGU, i found a 18RGU HkS turbo kit in a Hot4's mag. Anyone know where i can get one. Does anyone have info on the 3sgte. Does it bolt straight into the 77 Celica, and how much is it for the conversion ??
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Tue, 07 October 2003 09:46
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As far as the HKS turbo kit goes.. good luck  these are near impossible to find still in good order, better off going the trouble of EFI and custom fabrication work, and getting a decent result and maybe some reliability. This could be done i think for about $3000 i guess, give or take a bit. <-- really unique and is still a 4-cyl 18R, so you can keep blowing as many W50 boxes and t292 diffs as you like...
1GGTE would be a good swap, as far as newer technology is concerned.. Decent power (good base potential), but still a little longer and heavier maybe so this could upset how the car feels at the front, and you may need to alter suspension setups.. Custom fab up the mounts, possibly move radiatior.. change exhaust over because 1G's have the exhaust/turbos on the opposite side to 18Rs.. Could be looking at around $2000 for the engine/loom&ECU, and itl be auto so you'll need to get a w57/8 and alter the gearbox mounts to fit maybe and shifter hole position if your unlucky.. $600 for the kit approx..
Could maybe do it all for $5500-6000, with you doing most of work..
Its a hard choice for the benefits, but i guess if i was going all out i'd go for the 1G for sure. Its such a smooth motor, would suit an ra28 perfect..( ahhh my dream  ) I was considering an 18R-GTE custom engine all rebuilt and stuff which would be pretty cool, but quite costly for the results..
3Sgte would be awesome if you have the patience and skill, because these motors are regarded as one of the best toyota has built, as far as 4-cyl potential goes. BUT they are a front wheel/4 wheel east/west motor so much custom work needs to be done to fit to a RWD celica/sprinter etc.. It has been said before by many respected board members that you should budget at least $10,000 for this swap if you dont want to skimp, and if you are an experienced modifier/electrician/welder/engine-tuner.
It would heed some nice power and could receive bolt-ons easily to gain more.
Hmmmmmm
it all sounds good, its just down to choice.. and what you really want to do. my rant for the month.
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Tue, 07 October 2003 10:16
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I can vouch for the 1GGTE conversion into a RA28 and I can also tell you it will set you back at least $6000 if you do 99% of the work yourself. 
In my opinion though it's worth every last cent  and when someone tries to tell you it will ruin the handling, don't listen to them. 
Take a closer look at some of the work that goes into the conversion here 
Cheers Kirk
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Tue, 07 October 2003 12:36
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my 2c
bang for bucks - you cant go past the 18rg - it bolts up - carbies - cand you can keep your other bits
on a greater scale - go the 1ggte - it by far would have to be " the engine " to put in a ra28 at theis stage ..
many forum members on here have done this conversion - all with pleasing results ..
A 3sgte would require alot of fabricating , and a 1jzgte would just be a bank budget nightmare .. I know of one guy who did this as well in qld - the car is a monster - but he worked bloosy long and hard , and had a good dent in his bank account after it was finished ..
1GGTE!!! you know you want it ( i do ! for my next classic )
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Tue, 07 October 2003 14:17
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FYI: the 1gz is the toyota 5 litre 12 cylinder race-bred monster
the 1jz is the 6-cyl (turbo) engine
if you want the simplest engine possible - go the 18R-G. little bit more complex (fuel tank, efi lines, etc) go the 18R-GEU (22R is a waste of time & money - I used to have one )
if you want BALLS and have money, the 1g is your ticket to happiness
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Tue, 07 October 2003 22:35
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WTF?!?!? who are these people giving this bum advice?!?!  what happens if this poor bugger goes out and buys an engine that wont fit in his car cause someone suggested it?!?!
1GZ is a 5litre V12 (umm no)
1GZ-GTE doesnt even exist, if it did it would be a turbo 5 litre V12
7M-GTE is totally wrong for a celica (its a BIG HEAVY 3litre)
1JZ-GTE should only be done by mechanically minded people
firstly work out how much your willing to spend:
if its less than or equal to $1000 then research about carbie 18R-G
if its less than or equal to $2500 then research about EFI 18R-G
if its less than or equal to $5000 then research about 1G-GTE
if its less than or equal to $10,000 then research about 3S-GTE or 1JZ-GTE
this all depends on how mechanically minded you are and how much work you can do yourself.
and as for the people giving crazy advice i suggest you not post at all
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Tue, 07 October 2003 23:15
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You tell em Rob!
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Re: Replacement engine for RA28 - what fits?
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Tue, 07 October 2003 23:29
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i m pretty sure that celica madwould of used the ra23 not ta23
as the ta23 is only allowed 2.4l boosted engine, cause it came with a 1.6.
also you have to remember putting a 1j or 3s into a car that was built to handle less than 100hp requires more than the engine bolting in, you would probably find most engineers will want the car seem welded, so thats another thing to look at.
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Wed, 08 October 2003 01:27
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Just to put some facts into this thread...
1G swap requires engine mounts, radiator modification, EFI conversion. That's about it.
No stuffing around with brakes and driveshafts or any of that nonsense.
It's virtually a bolt in swap.
The 1G weighs less than any of the R-series engines, so handling won't be compromised.
A Gen3 1G-GTE will put out about 125kW whereas an 18R-G will put out what? 70kW?
The 1G swap costs a lot more though, so it depends on how much money you have (or are willing to spend).
7M is a no go. They make about the same as a 1G and weigh a shitload more.
3S is if you have grand plans of big power. And have lots of money since the install is a lot more difficult.
1JZ, well, there's been big debates about whether it's too heavy. My personal opinion is that it is. It weighs 25kg-30kg more than a 1G so prolly close to an R-series but is a lot longer.
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Wed, 08 October 2003 01:56
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You're suggesting a JZ engine weighs similar to an R engine? You've gotta be kidding! JZ engines are big heavy bastards, just like a 7M. An 18R-G is heavy for its size but it's still much smaller than a 1JZ.
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Wed, 08 October 2003 02:02
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I said "prolly close"... 
Especially when you're talking about the 22R-E.
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Wed, 08 October 2003 02:24
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 08 October 2003 09:27 |
1G swap requires engine mounts, radiator modification, EFI conversion. That's about it.
No stuffing around with brakes and driveshafts or any of that nonsense.
It's virtually a bolt in swap.
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But wouldn't you be wanting to do these upgrades anyway, being as you'd be getting 2.5 to 3 times the power as the 18r? I know that come my conversion the brakes all round and new rear diff etc are all very high up my priority list. I don't like the idea of driving around with a much more powerful engine with the same pissy little brakes
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Wed, 08 October 2003 02:41
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New brakes would be a good thing on any car, regardless of power. Just because you change the power of the car, its not going to affect the braking (depending on whether the engine is heavier or whatever), stopping from 100 is still stopping from 100...you just got there a hell of a lot faster.
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Wed, 08 October 2003 02:55
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 08 October 2003 10:41 |
New brakes would be a good thing on any car, regardless of power. Just because you change the power of the car, its not going to affect the braking (depending on whether the engine is heavier or whatever), stopping from 100 is still stopping from 100...you just got there a hell of a lot faster.
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That's true but just thinking that when you double to triple the power you are going to get in situations where you need the extra braking power. Not that we are talking about breaking the speed limits or anything 
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Wed, 08 October 2003 03:16
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Anyone who installs a much more powerful engine is going to use that extra power on occasion, otherwise why would you bother? Using all that power means you're going to be much harder on the brakes in a real-world situation. Remember your car can accelerate to silly speeds much faster than it could before, and you'll find yourself hurtling into corners with more speed than you otherwise would have had.
BTW I'm speaking from experience here; I thought MA61's had pretty good brakes until I installed a 400hp engine.
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Wed, 08 October 2003 03:19
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This is where self-restraint comes into it Even the RA60 is capable of easily going much higher than the speed limit on most roads.
That said, a brake upgrade is always a good idea
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Wed, 08 October 2003 03:57
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I was actually talking from an Engineering Certificate point of view.
Plus, the RA60 brakes are pretty good in standard form. Don't know what the older Celicas are like though.
I don't quite have Norbie's 400hp to contend with, except in that dream where I'm also hung like a horse........
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:44
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Pssshtt, I'm making a point I understand totally what you're saying, but what I mean is that for me personally, even though I will own a fast car, I'm not going to be driving flat out and over the limit for most of the time.
Sure, bigger brakes would be GREAT for those times when you go spack I wouldn't drive like that all the time though if you understand me.
What I don't get is your point about acceleration, it only makes a valid point if you think every time you sink the clog you're doing it do accelerate far above and beyond the limit. Sure its going to get there a HELL of a lot quicker, and its going to be capable of going far beyond that very easily, doesn't mean you have to...
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:46
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Part of what I want is a car that is more than capable of belting up to the speed limit on any road faster than the flow of traffic...which is what the RA60 fails to do sometimes.
Sure we all go beyond that, which is where the brakes come in handy
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:46
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 08 October 2003 11:19 |
This is where self-restraint comes into it Even the RA60 is capable of easily going much higher than the speed limit on most roads.
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My auto ra23 can go much higher than the speed limit on roads too. 100 in a 40 zone, that's 60kph over!
but in all serioussness, it starts running out of legs at 110 and anything above 120 is just hold the foot down and eventually it will get there.... sigh 
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:47
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| gtman wrote on Wed, 08 October 2003 12:46 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 08 October 2003 11:19 |
This is where self-restraint comes into it Even the RA60 is capable of easily going much higher than the speed limit on most roads.
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My auto ra23 can go much higher than the speed limit on roads too. 100 in a 40 zone, that's 60kph over!
but in all serioussness, it starts running out of legs at 110 and anything above 120 is just hold the foot down and eventually it will get there.... sigh
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The RA60 is capable of 175kph, I've only done it a couple of times though...its not the sort of thing you do in normal driving
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Wed, 08 October 2003 04:53
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 08 October 2003 14:44 |
What I don't get is your point about acceleration
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What I don't get is this talk about speed limits.
Since when was that a factor in anything?!
I think you'll notice this acceleration thing when you're hammering it in the back streets. Short bursts with repetitive slamming of the brakes...
10 stops at 80km/h instead of 10 stops at 40km/h... You also have to start braking earlier 'coz you're carrying more speed...
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:01
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I can agree with everything said - except that my ma61 brakes never had any issues. sure, stopping from 140 isn't terribly pleasant or fast, but on old pac runs they used to perform fantastically.
not that I dont want some nice big 300+ rotors and 4 spots
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:02
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I know that dude Its cool, I said what I wanted. The arguments everyone are making aren't against each other, they're complimentary.
Sorry for the thread hijack dude...seriously, get a 1GGTE
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:18
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I don't think hi-jaching this thread is an issue as its around 15months old
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:27
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Nark has hit the nail on the head. If you're talking about stopping from a given speed once, bigger brakes aren't that useful. However in real-world situations you will find yourself nailing it between corners then stabbing the brakes, and I can tell you the extra acceleration from a 400hp engine puts a much bigger strain on the brakes.
The last time I went for a mountain run the poor brakes nearly melted, even though I rarely exceeded 100km/h. With the old 6M I never had such a problem.
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:31
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I know what you mean dude Thats why I want to upgrade my brakes
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:53
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did your XX come with rear discs? If not, you going to do that upgrade?
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Wed, 08 October 2003 05:56
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Brings back memories of a time when I drove to my cousin's house buried in some back streets.
Sat around for a while and then we decided to wash our cars (as you do).
When I sprayed water at my wheels, this massive cloud of steam came off the brakes!!
Thought I'd warped or cracked them for sure!
Man, they were hot!
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Wed, 08 October 2003 06:08
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Sure did If I upgrade the brakes though, I'll be putting a fresh set of rear MA61 rotors and calipers on, I don't think you would be able to get replacement discs for the solid ones on the back of the XX.
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 08 October 2003 15:26 |
Brings back memories of a time when I drove to my cousin's house buried in some back streets.
Sat around for a while and then we decided to wash our cars (as you do).
When I sprayed water at my wheels, this massive cloud of steam came off the brakes!!
Thought I'd warped or cracked them for sure!
Man, they were hot!
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I've had the brakes on my MA70 smoking before!!  we pulled over because we thought it was a fire under the engine bay , but it was the brakes - the disks were glowing a weird bluish colour even in sunlight, but with the EBC Green Stuff pads, the pedal never lost feel. I'm not that keen to do it again though (probably boil the brake fluid!!)
And adding my 2c even later than normal.... the more powerful the car, the faster your acceperation, the more you have to use the brakes. Being able to go from 30 to 100Kph in very little time means you're out of the corner quick, and into the next one before you know it. Even if you are travelling at the speed limit.
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Re: Replacement engine for RA28 - what fits?
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Wed, 08 October 2003 08:25
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seriously, most people dont have a spare $6000 nor the experience to do a 1G-GTE conversion for such a price. Heck i rekon it would be a challenge for me to do one!
For ultimate bang for buck - nothing, repeat NOTHING beats an 18R-G! I had mine in the car for under $1000, including buying the motor, new clutch and all the fluids etc. And i have just enough power to keep me happy and running the odd ring around some 4a-ge's.
For a further $600-800 i have dug up all the EFI gear for the motor also.
Personally i recommend going the 18R-G first. Save some bigtime dollary-doos, do lots of research, upgrade your brakes and diff progressively.... and then maybe look at the 1G-GTE. At least in the meantime you will have a decently powered car, and have gained the experience and knowledge required to topple the 1g-gte conversion with ease.
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Replacement engine for RA28 - what fits?
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Wed, 08 October 2003 09:06
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Karl's right on the money. Engine conversions are difficult and/or expensive. I wouldn't want to tackle a 1G conversion as my first project - it's a much better idea to start small. My first one was a 2T-G into a TA22 and I worked my way up from there, learning as I went. Sure it wasn't the fastest car around, but I got immense satisfaction from doing it myself on a uni student's budget!
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: Replacement engine for RA28 - what fits?
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Wed, 08 October 2003 09:56
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ditto that.
im now up to my 2nd 18r-g replacement.. soon to takle a 4a-ge into a AE71, and then to tackle custom EFI setup on my 18r-g.
Im working my way very slowly!
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