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Distributor Vacuum Advance Fri, 26 July 2002 11:37 Go to next message
i heard that with cars that run webbers you should disconnect the vacuum hoses to the distributor and run without them does anyone know if this is correct or not?
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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Fri, 26 July 2002 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I'd be interested in hearing about this! I have a webber on my TA22 but I still have the vacuum hose connected!

I dont see what removing this would do, apart from making it pretty shitty to drive!
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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Fri, 26 July 2002 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well from what i know is you adjust the timing with it disconnected and leave it disconnected with all the pipes blocked off and its meant to improve power in the higher rev range except i just want to know if its true or not
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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Fri, 26 July 2002 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
In the higher rev range (under load), your vacume advance will not be working anyhow, so it does not effect max power, and was never ment to. The vacume advance improves take off torque, when the throttle is only partly open. Its best to leave it on I think, as the vacume advance should improve drivability. People that take it off don't understand what its for.
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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Fri, 26 July 2002 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
To what I know - Jonny has it right here.
OEM engine configuration will produce far stronger vacuum levels than twin setup of tuning carburetors do. This is due to fact that in OEM setup we have 4 cylinders sucking up the vacuum. With twincarbs we take vacuum outlet from only one cylinder bore - hence giving us weaker vacuum levels. (note - especially evident in engines with long duration cams).

This leads us in a situation of of vacuum pod on the side of dizzy not getting appropriate vacuum levels to operate properly. Depending on application it may work partially, but hardly ever as well as originally.
We could of course compensate lack of vacuum level with a more sensitive vacuum pod, to make vacuum advance work again. Trouble is to find such vacuum pod unit.
In competition use engines hardly ever get to see miniscule/partial throttle openings, hence removing vacuum advance system will not have any negative downside to it.

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Just off top of my head. If one could carefully open up OEM vacuum pod, remove the spring inside, have it cut a touch shorter, and assemble unit back to airtight condition - we would be on our way to restore vacuum advance function with twin carbs.

I dunno about performancewise, but definately vacuum assisted ignition advance will have a positive impact on cruising fuel economy.

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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Fri, 26 July 2002 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
They are some good thoughts 5K. Maybe if we got vacuum off more than one carbie? this would even the pulses and give more vacuum. I have a standard ballance tube on my 2TG, and it is running nice. Can I connect the vacuum advance to the ballance tube for full manifold vacuum? Or does the distributor need vacuum right at the throttle?
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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Fri, 26 July 2002 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message

I have read that there are two types of vacuum advance dizzy arrangements. One works with full vacuum advance (i.e. vacuum outlet is from well below carburator butterfly). The other has no vacuum at idle, but even a slight throttle opening will open up vacuum outlet port, and vacuum is led to distributor.
The latter is more common.
No wonder why on Dell'orto and Weber carburators have vacuum outlet _above_ butterfly when it's at rest position.

Without knowing your distributor type, I feel confident saying your dizzy does not like any vacuum at idle.

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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Sat, 27 July 2002 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i have a 2tg and the diaphragm on my vacuum advance is punctured where can i get another one?, can i get a new one? no vacuum advance makes the car less responsive at take off, a rougher drive at low revs. Although at full throttle your dizzy will advabnce anyway, so this is only annoying at low revs.
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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Sat, 27 July 2002 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I had the same problem. I used a good diaphram off a 18R-C or 4K distributor, and if it wasn't quite right I machined some part off it on the lathe, and cut and filed other bits to suit. It works, but I'm not sure how much it advances with the low vacume off one cylinder. I will go and see now.
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Re: Distributor Vacuum Advance Sat, 27 July 2002 08:57 Go to previous message
im having the same fun at the moment with mine - 45 mill webers dont have any vaccum hoses or anythitng off them to draw vaccum for the distributor advance anyway ..

best way to overcome issues here i believe is to get the dizzy regraphed - and mechanically advance your timing to some degree ..

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