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I supported Toymods
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 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Mon, 24 November 2003 10:08
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What is the most power you can screw out of a 1g with stock internals I will be running a EMS duelsport computer.
Also what is the flow rate of the stock gen 3 injectors
Thanks ben
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Mon, 24 November 2003 10:14
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not sure of power handling
but i'm pretty sure the injectors are 220cc
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Mon, 24 November 2003 10:25
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Thanks dabid 
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Mon, 24 November 2003 16:33
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220cc? is that all? That's like the size of the 4age?? (but then 1ggte's got 6 cylinders right? so 1320cc all together? But a 3sgte's got 430cc x 4 = 1720cc? Is that why 3s has more power?)
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 25 November 2003 07:09
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Each cylinder of a 1G is smaller than 4A and 3S cylinders.
Thus the small injectors.
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 25 November 2003 10:05
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Gen 3 are 245cc
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 25 November 2003 11:04
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Thanks guys
as for the power i will find out next weekend when i get her on the dyno I am hoping for about 200-250 at the wheels if I can get any more ill let you know
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 25 November 2003 13:46
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yeah 245cc sounds closer maybe, as total 1470cc compared with 1720cc for 3SGTE, as late 3S is about 40kw more power right?
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 25 November 2003 22:36
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On the dyno, I've only seen a 6kW difference between the Gen3 1G-GTE and a 3S-GTE. Not sure what version 3S-GTE it was though.
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Wed, 26 November 2003 00:54
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but is the 3S running 4WD at the dyno?
but I think there's a big difference in different 3S versions, think the ST205 has the most power, but it could be just the turbo, I don't know much
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Wed, 26 November 2003 03:30
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No. FWD Rolla.
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Wed, 26 November 2003 04:07
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which in itself could be the reason it put out 6 or so kilowatts more.
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Wed, 26 November 2003 04:43
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Wed, 26 November 2003 11:28
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I assume you mean 3S as being the one that is FWD? Then it must be some older 3S, since the RWD 1G has less wheel hp than the FWD 3S, that probably mean they have the same flywheel horse power? And 1G is about 150kw right? but the ST205 have 178kw?
so the 3S must be old versions? (or the 1G actually have more power?)
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Wed, 26 November 2003 11:38
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sorry just done a search..
http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/toyota.htm
turns out the early 3SGTE is actually really the same power as the 1GGTE and it's 142kw, so late 3SGTE have 36kw more, but I wouldn't why
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Wed, 26 November 2003 22:06
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basically the st205 3s-gte has the same power(almost identical) as the 1g-gte, though I think with a few slight improvements the 3s puts out a little more HP because it does it a little bit more up the rev range. but the 1g will have more torque through out the rev range.
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Wed, 26 November 2003 22:53
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Another thing you'll find is that since the 1G-GTE was always marketed as the low-power version of their performance/luxury cars, there may be some fudging of the power figures for marketing's sake.
One the dyno, the 1G-GTE puts out the same as a 7M-GTE and 1UZ-FE. Figure that one out..
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Thu, 27 November 2003 00:47
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but they always put the 1g into heavy cars for a little 2.0l motor.. so it was always the slower motor option, but put it in a car the right size and it's great.
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Fri, 28 November 2003 00:14
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Hey I heard a story about an HKS stroker kit for a 1G, bringing it out to 2.5 litres. When you combine it with their big single turbo and external wastegate and good management, that should be a screamer.
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Fri, 28 November 2003 00:22
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I thought it was 2.4 litres, and you loose some of the reviness of the 1g.
having not driven one or even seen one, I'm not gunna say that is certain though I have heard of a standard 1g (2.0L) being revved to 9,000-9,500rpm so even with the stroker kit it may stil be capable of the 7,200rpm rev limiter.
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Fri, 28 November 2003 00:25
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Yeah, it's 2.4L from increased stroke which means it won't rev as well.
Should have more torque though, not only from the capacity increase, but the stroke increase too.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Fri, 28 November 2003 12:46
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I put the car on the dyno next week I am hoping to run about 15-18 psi boost and acheve 200-250 rwhp hopefully 
That's with standard internals and turbos
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Fri, 28 November 2003 21:17
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14.5psi gives you 200ish rwHP
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Sat, 29 November 2003 01:40
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| Nark wrote on Thu, 27 November 2003 09:53 |
Another thing you'll find is that since the 1G-GTE was always marketed as the low-power version of their performance/luxury cars, there may be some fudging of the power figures for marketing's sake.
One the dyno, the 1G-GTE puts out the same as a 7M-GTE and 1UZ-FE. Figure that one out..
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Wouldn't this have allot to do with the drive train? IE wouldn't a 1G manual box and celica diff, be less resistant than say my old MZ20 Auto soarer?
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Sat, 29 November 2003 05:39
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Thanks bugman.
So whats this 1g club That your a member of and how do I join
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Sat, 29 November 2003 07:55
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its not a club as such, its more what youd call a cult, anyone can join, but if you become a member, just remember that you must live by the rules and you must die by the rules 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Sat, 29 November 2003 08:12
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Where do I sign up 
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Mon, 01 December 2003 05:09
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| rvrolla wrote on Sat, 29 November 2003 12:40 |
Wouldn't this have allot to do with the drive train? IE wouldn't a 1G manual box and celica diff, be less resistant than say my old MZ20 Auto soarer?
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I've seen many 7M-GTEs put out about the same amount of power. They were all manual too.
Another point to note is that the 1G-GTE responds better to increased boost than the 7M-GTE. New design I suppose or better ECU or something like that.
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Mon, 01 December 2003 09:02
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Hi nark
What power did you get out of your 1g
Do you have pics of your car.
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Mon, 01 December 2003 23:12
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I got 128.4kW (0.4kW behind a 7M-GTE MA61 running 10psi) at the SAS dyno and 124.8kW (exactly the same as a 1UZ-FE MX83 auto) at the CAS dyno.
It's a stock Gen 3. Only mods are air filter and 2.5" exhaust.
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May 2002
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 02 December 2003 02:02
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I've currently got a 1G-GE in my GA61 Celica XX. Sorry for the thread hijack, but how simple would a conversion to a 1G-GTE or 1G-GZE be? Would it be worth my time just working the 1G-GE (Maybe aim for a 10,000rpm redline? lol)
Thanks
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 02 December 2003 02:08
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It goes along the lines of, remove 1GGE, swap 1GGE sump and pickup over to 1GGTE, install 1GGTE, get new exhaust, fit intercooler, wire up.
They don't get much simpler.
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 02 December 2003 02:15
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A very tempting upgrade for next year!
Would the 1G-GTE have the torque to pull my big GA61 around?
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 02 December 2003 02:17
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Haha, your GA61 is far from big. It will have ample torque to pull it around.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte power & injector flow rate
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Tue, 02 December 2003 11:30
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Sounds good nark
But hopfully with the EMS computer ill smash the 7m nugget
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