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Castlemaine Vic
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WA
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 08:28
 
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hey twincam,
well i got a GA70 with only few mods but find it quite good.
- 3inch catback exhaust and 12psi
You'll see plenty of ppl knocking back the GA70's because of a supras weight and only having a 2 litre engine. But its not all that bad. Apprantly the 1g-gte has bullet proof internals so if you got the money whacking a big turbo on it would be ideal, due to the fact the the current c12's are quite small.
plus there are hundreds of 7m supras floating aound so having a 1G makes for bit of individuality.
also u should beable to pick up a GA70 quite a big cheaper, especially older ones, which makes it more attractive
let us know what ya get, good luck
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 08:32
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one word - JZA70
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Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 08:36
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jza70, thats the current shape yeh?
if so, some of us are not made of money! and like the look of the older supras 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 08:37
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Nope, same shape as all xA70 Supras, but with a 1jz-gte
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Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 08:45
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Few thou more than 7m models, but there are already a fair few in the country, some being sold 2nd hand (2nd owner in aust) already.
But I've never really looked into it
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 08:50
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When I was test driving cars before settling on the Soarer I did. I came to the conclusion that a worked 1G was about as quick as a stock 7M but needed to be revved a lot harder to get the same performance.
I don't think the 1GGTE was available in any car here so parts could be difficult.
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WA
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 09:11
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yeh jza70 would be ideal but 99% are auto's...
i got my ga70 manual this year is schmick condish for 8 thou. by the time you put the cash ya saved compared to buying a 12 grand ma/jza70 into the 1g i rekon it would be fairly quick indeed
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 09:16
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Yeah, well, it depends on what he wants
If he mainly wants the look of an A70, with a bit of power, then def manual 1g or 7m, but if he really wants power, then get a 1jz, manual or auto, and if auto, convert to manual later
Its not a huge cost considering the extra amount of fun it is
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 09:17
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What about an MZ20 Soarer?
You get the 7MGTE, all the luxuries you could ever dream of and something that's a little bit different, but not different enough to make parts a nightmare.
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Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 09:25
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well its either a ma70 or ga70, not not any jza's (unless ones comes buy cheap!
can a 1jz be easily fitted in to either a MA/GA 70 ?
all im after is what gets the most power, with the least spent on it, something around the 200-230rwkw id be happy with.
if both motors were stock, and you had a few thousand to spend, which would get get your bank for bucks with?
or which is stronger ti work with later down the track if i want more power out of?
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Brisbane
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WA
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 09:43
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well stock you will get more power from the 7m. i think it's quoted at 250hp compared to the 1G's 210 ( at the flywheel these are).
so i guess it depends how you intend on modifyin it... i not too sure how strong stock internals of 7 m are but have heard 1G's are very good.
i guess it comes down to wots availble for what price...
goodluck
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Brisbane
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Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 10:09
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600kw is a damn lot! can anyone verify this?
im leaning towards the GA70, only because its almost 3g cheaper.
or is the extra 3g worth that littler bit extra satisfaction down the track?
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Brisbane
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 12:23
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A reliable 600hp out of a stock 7M bottom end?
Sorry. No.
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Brisbane
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 12:30
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I swear I read somewhere someone was getting 600hp (probably at the fly) out of a 7M.
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 12:40
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Apparently pistons are the limit on the stock 7m bottom end at about 450hp at the engine and the stock (non counter balanced ???) crank lets go at 800hp
check 7mpower.com
1G-GTE is rare compared to the 7m and will struggle pulling a heavy MA70 around off boost at a decent speed so fuel use maybe more!
I'm happy with my MA70 
Allan
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WA
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 13:27
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and i'm happy with my ga70, jsut need bigger turbo...
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Brisbane
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 13:38
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And I think I'm happy with my MZ21... let me do more than 150k's before I can pass judgement tho... I'll be able to give more feedback after I've got the head gasket fixed.
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WA
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 13:42
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hahah, yeh should be all shcmick then though for ya...
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 13:45
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Well, I'm using nothing but the best parts, so we'll see.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Wed, 26 November 2003 22:16
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| 2Lsupra wrote on Wed, 26 November 2003 20:43 |
well stock you will get more power from the 7m. i think it's quoted at 250hp compared to the 1G's 210 ( at the flywheel these are).
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1G-GTE puts out the same power as a 7M-GTE on the dyno.
The difference is the torque that's available with the 7M due to 50% more capacity.
Once moving, a GA70 should be able to match (and prolly beat due to better revving) an MA70. But puttering around town, I think the MA70 is the correct choice. 2.0L pulling 1700kg (or however much they weigh) isn't the smartest idea.
| 2Lsupra wrote on Thu, 27 November 2003 00:27 |
and i'm happy with my ga70, jsut need bigger turbo...
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That'll bring the boost on later and make driving around even more of a bitch unless you want to be on boost constantly.
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Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Thu, 27 November 2003 06:55
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| twincam_ke20 wrote on Thu, 27 November 2003 17:17 |
is it possible, with out to much ease to slide a 1jz in to a MA/GA70?
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Yep. Buy a jza-70 half cut (anywhere from 2K - 4K depending on condition and gearbox). Take everything out of GA/MA70 engine bay. Put all the jza-70 stuff in. Wire it up. Everything will bolt up but depending on your ma/ga70 you may to widen a hole in the bodywork to put the powersteering cooler through.
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I supported Toymods
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Thu, 27 November 2003 06:58
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If, as you state, you can get a GA70 for up to 3grand less, then prolly get that, but definately look into getting a JZA70
Otherwise, with that 3 grand u saved, you can get an LSD (if it dont already have it, check the firewall), and a JZA70 front cut.
Everything is interchangeable, and engine swaps don't get any easier, especially if you are running stock ecu.
Now, if you get a manual GA70, and you want to keep the manual (lets assume for a minute you buy at JZA70 auto front cut), then you can spend an extra $1000-$1500 on a 1JZ R154, or you can buy a W58/2JZ bellhousing
I am assuming here that you can run an auto 1JZ computer, without the auto connected (I know that you cant for a 1UZ, but I dont know for JZ series)
It basically comes down to you.
Get the GA70, put a big exhaust and a bit FMIC (things you can swap over to a different motor later) and then see how she performs
You may be more than happy with the results
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Castlemaine Vic
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Thu, 27 November 2003 07:15
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Yeah, its a hard decision
No3 looks like heaps of car part dents, but looks 100% factory (cept rims)
No2 looks best interior, but no radio (best mags too)
No1 has shitty clarion tape, original steering wheel, avg mags, but other goodies (boost guage, turbo timer etc)
buuuut, number 3 is 3.5g cheaper
find a JZA70 cut and chuck it in (tho, the MA70 manuals are R154)
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Fri, 28 November 2003 09:05
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My mate has a GZ20 Soarer and while its not super-quick (GTTL version, lotsa goodies) its definetly a nice cruiser.
As Nark said, in a flat out match a healthy 1G could probably get close to a 7M, but it would feel a little sluggish driving around slowly. As for having to work it hard to get around town, thats not true persay, the 1G isn't a 3l engine, but its not exactly gutless either.
For the record, a GA70 Supra should be under the 1500kg mark, whereas an MA70 weighs in at 1575kg.
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WA
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November 2003
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Re: 7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
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Sat, 29 November 2003 04:16
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yeh thats bout right,
weighed my GA70 the other day,
1500 exactly with spare wheel and jack and crap removed (make up for petrol in car)
what kinda things can any one recommend on doin to get that weight down a fair bit more?
while still retaining trims and stuff...
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Brisbane
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July 2003
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7M-GTE vs 1G-GTE
