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icon4.gif  Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Tue, 09 December 2003 00:04 Go to next message
heyas ..

Im in a pickle

I need some pictures of Gt4 engine bays ( st185 preferred ) that are running a map sensor setup instead of AFM

also to 205 owners - can they help put with suggestions on how they did it + pictures please

As my progress thng says - WolfEMS are swapping over my ecu in january at this stage - and their setup makes the AFM redundant -so im having to turf the lot + replace it with pipe and filter only!

I need some picture guodes to give me ideas on how the direct piping from turbo inlet to Airfilter goes , and what people have used to " Box in " their cone filters.

being in the country some help on where to get the silicon piping to join the tube + turbo together would be appreciated - no one locally stocks these ( melbourne ?)

Also how they got around the battery if it was still in place. Id like to keep this in the engine bay still if possible - so suggestions of a smaller battery with similar cranking power to the stock one ( delcor , oddessy ?) would be appreiated

Much help appreciated - ive got 4 weeks to complete this buildup before the ECU project starts

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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Tue, 09 December 2003 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stu i can't help you with the diagrams but the silicone tube and clamps ect to connect it all together with can be got from meridian motorsport 9553 4200 pretty sure they would be able to get it to you if not to me and i can get to you.

bear in mind this stuff is sold by the inch. not cheap.

i think also purple pig sell the shit as well. not sure on price though.

get yourself an odessey. my little baby odessey cranks my 4AGE over and over and over and took a long while to go flat - best is its 95% recharged in ~30 mins which is handy for engine conversions/doing this level of work - and its nice and small - meridian also have these and can look after ya

hope this helps aye.
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Tue, 09 December 2003 06:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cheers greg , I had a good look at it and a chat to one of the local autopro guys - he's suggested keeping the existing airbox as is - and using a better panel filter with it _ then adapting some mandrel bent piping between it and the turbo to maintain a semi " stock " look to the system .. wise words imho - seeing that aftermarket computers mar i think Motec and autronic are " not approved without ADR "

less attention drawn to it under the engine = less hassles with the boys in blue

Re the oddesy - i need something with about 460 - 500 cranking powahs - i may still look into it - just to get a little more space in the engine bay ..
what does yours put out ?

cheers for the heads up in the silicon hose - i only need 10 - 15 inches tops for the lot.

ps: wanna help me make up the cold air induction to the box Wink

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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Tue, 09 December 2003 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
remember that time I sent you that article on that black GT4 with the grpA bumper, If you still have that there is a pic of his induction setup with a map sensor, if you don't I can send it to you again.
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Tue, 09 December 2003 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hmm - i think i do have that still .. ill check ...
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Tue, 09 December 2003 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aye stu there is always that corrugated flexy/bendy hose (i have a meter of it at home - about $30 IIRC)that might be ok b/w the turbo and the airbox - although i think from memory its 3" ID

agree 1000000000000%
airbox is definately the way to go with a good k&n although the TA22 has a k&n pod due to space requirements (and not having to worry about emission crap with LPG i can LEGALLY run a pod)

i think my odessey is 270cca. IIRC around $220-240
whyfor u need so much cca?
its only a 3sgte not a 427 chev motor!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

um, NO aftermarket computers are ADR approved at all dude. not even motec (unless they run the clubman program which is locked and cannot be changed - clubman was ADR'd with motec remember)

yeah can help with the airbox. i don't spend much time on ICQ namely on MSN messenger now dude, so PM me if you wanna?


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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Wed, 10 December 2003 01:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cheers on the bendy pipe - that might come in handy - ive got to measure the outlet size of the ct26 anyway - or if you know of the dimension of piping i need - that would be handy !

re the battery - the one in it is an n51eb - basically an eb falcon battery Smile BIG bastard .. Im only going by whats in it at this stage re cranking amps . Im not 100 % sure what they came out with standard , though the cradle for it is huge ..

I think i will stick with the airbox - it seems to be the most sensible thing to do for the cold air induction setup ( seeing theres the groundwork for it already under the wheel arch )

All i need is a good panel filter + that bit of pipe and im set ..

I guess once agains straightest possible path is the best ?Re PM ill handle it that way for any other dicussion - though if you can spare a saturday/sunday between now and mid january - the extra spanner and second head to nut things out would be appreciated to get the cold air induction happening !

If eve 80% of it is done im still ahead for the ECU swap Smile Re the ECU legalitys - i guess its a case of having it well tuned , and not having it on second switch mode around town ( ie the flame belching rich running power mode on the second setup ) hehe - the other should be tuned well enough to pass emissions tests anyway , and i think thayt only once has the EPA been to colac to play nasty farts ..

The B and S boys and Commodore bogans are a greater chance of getting pinged then me regardless Wink

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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Wed, 10 December 2003 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stu i dunno what the size on the outlet would be - at a guess i'd say 2" (50.8mm) but thats only a guess - some of the gt4 boys on here would know for sure.

that expensive blue shit pipe stuff has like 2" to 3" adapters ect so no probs there.

well the odessey batteries are a shload smaller than the massive ford and holden v8 ones but put out similar CCA ratings - so expect to save some space (and weight)

do stick with the airbox. for "copper open the bonnet to have a look at stock motors" sake. any idea on what it flows like/if it has any major restrictions?

reading this AM that st205 injectors are a better bet if you're going to be making big power. also forgies for the 14psi plus..

got the ta22 back lastnight so will be flat out on that over xmas/jan. let me know aye

um, if its running rich, then, it won't be making power. will just be belching black smoke.

and yeah down your way the B&S utes for sure - esp the ones with the illegal spotties and bundy stickers and CAT mudflaps dragging on the ground in their HZ utes with checker plate side steps (no em well from my way mate). don't spose the local constab would worry about an st185 floating around...



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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 01:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
re turbo inlet - ill figure it out or find out off toyota somehow .. or just get off my arse and measure it myself

re battery - well ill check into the oddesys to see if theres a smaller sized battery with around the 350-400 crankers output - Might need the power yet for the stereo if i ever have money to spend on that!

im looking forward to the 2 stage setup - that second click should be interestng to say the least ..

At the moment its running rich with the fuel pump running as it is - so the fuel black smoke from the back under boost is a given atm .. Just cant wait to be able to utilise the extra bang thats already getting thru in raw fuel unburnt - better tuning shuld help this !

And nods to the B and S utes - their a f'ing joke - no mufflers , no cats on the more modern VS commo utes , etc etc - and illegal aerial, mudflaps, bull bars.. So yeah - one burbly gt4 wont draw much attention by the constabulary if i be good around town, when they are rolling nearby.


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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 07:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
good and bad news ..

bad news - my aircon Condensor seems to be fooked - got to get a new one and its not gunna be a cheap thing to replace ..

Bugger .. real bugger - no decent aircon for summer..Oh and i got a speeding fine today - 63 in a 50 zone .. Merry Xmas Sad


good news - K and N and its clone J and K or something like that both have panel filters for the st185 i can ise and the zorst shop can cater for the metal tubing i need to get made up between turbo and airbox ....

other good news - my dump pipe goes in tomorrow .. Smile
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey Stu,

Ive still got my aircon setup (minus compressor) sitting here, so if you want my condensor and any other A/C bits lemme know....

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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 10:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anything you could spare would be handy - but mostly the condensor/unit it comes in . that seems to be the source of the problem ... Mines either pinholed or corroded by guessing - the rest of the setup is in great order

if its in good order - id be interested - though id need to get it tested to see if its not a common st185 fault - if that was cool ?
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Another couple of things ;p Stassio one of the gt4 yahoo group is running a non-afm setup with the battery sitting in a cradle on a custom swaybar...

The AFM is gone and the filter sits in the corner that the battery normally does... You will also notice that if you remove the battery, airbox, airbox feed pipe that there is two sizeable holes through the panel into the void that is between the passenger front guard and engine bay...

There is also another box in that viod that acts as a cache (puter lingo) of air for extra air when you go WOT. Anyways if you wanted to use a pod filter you could make a box to house it where the battery resides and have the air picked up from inside the guard and down to the hole in the grp a bumper for a driving light Smile

Well that was what I was guna do with mine so Smile
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Try a radiator repairer for the condenser. They should be able to help as I've had them repaired before. But since you're coutry.....
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/gt4-modified/ vwp?.dir=/Puffys+GT4&.src=gr&.dnm=old+setu p.jpg

above is a bad photo of what my engine bay use to look like, it might give you an idea. The odessey battery worked like a charm. I later changed the stainless induction for silicon as it was absorbing way too much heat from the radiator and turbo.

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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Your welcome to have it tested.

My aircon never worked but I never had it re-gassed or checked... There was no gas in it when it was removed...
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Thu, 11 December 2003 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Puffy: can you post that pic somewhere else? I'd love to see it, but can't access it from that yahoo group.

Classique71: Odyssey make a pretty flat looking 350CCA battery that you could mount on its side (they are a sealed cell battery) and there would be room for the air intake in front of it. Its about the dimensions of the standard GT4 battery, but half the height, so on its side might work well.

I've had the airbox out of the car to analyse the flow, and I reckon if you cut another breather hole underneath and feed it some fresh air from the fender (get rid of the resonator box in there), then it would flow as well as one of those custom jobbies that you see people making. I really agree that a stock looking airbox is the best way to go. The pod filter is the first thing coppers look for.
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Re: Need pictures + advice! - Map Sensored Gt4 Inductions! Sat, 13 December 2003 02:03 Go to previous message
Cheers for all the advice guys Smile

Necros - ill have a look at that condenser buddy - PM me your PH number again if you can please and ill arrange to come up and grab it soon

Puffy - the photo link didnt work dude - though i would appreciate the picture if you can either post it up on here - or email it to me

Spectral - My current airbox has already got a hole in the base of it - previous owner took a nice saw to it and ciout ut about a 50mm hole in the bottom of it ..

What im planning on doing is similar to what was on the
"K1ano Gt4" though his pictures were not very clear ..

ie remove the resonator , and then use the left hand brake induction on the group a bonnet - to piping , thru the 50 odd mm hole it exposes up to the airbox from the side, or underneath ..
Should be quite effective to get air in there , and have a semi ram effect at speed into the box ..

Im gunna have to look at it soon - need to get a free weekend when im not working or have other commitments to open up that area. ( silly season is apon us )

It should be pretty straight forward , Flexi hose should duct it up ok underneath . Ill replace the panel filter with a K and N unit or equivelent then use an adaptor to mount either the silicon pipe / stainless pipe between the turbo inlet and airbox ..

The local zorst shop thinks they can help me out with the piping

On a secondary note - got the Dump pipe on and midpipe on yesterday ..

After a shitload of cursing and cutting the guys were finally able to get off the old shit and replace it with the new with a few minor issues , that now have seemed to have sorted themselves out

Car seems to be alot smoother on boost - less brutal ( ie none then a sudden WHACK! ) - and also seems to come in earlier and spool up quicker than before ..the dump pipe was only held on by 3 of the 5 or so bolts meant to be holding it on - one had sheared off , others had come loose - si i was loosing alot of exhaust gas thru that and the leaking exhaust manifold ..

it no longer makes a pht pht nose on idle - which is good too ! so all seems to be going well so far ..

Should be keen to see what figures the better flowing dump pipe makes - over the 113awkw it got at the treads with otherwise fucked exhaust
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