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ae86 vs ae82??? Wed, 17 December 2003 13:36 Go to next message
hey guys what would win in a race? ae86 twin cam 4age big port with mild mods like port and polish,shaved, etc and tweeked up suspension vs an ae82 with pretty much the same motor and mods? and this isnt only in a drag but racing around corners,roundabouts etc????


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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Wed, 17 December 2003 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
depends on your driving style i'd guess.. FWD vs RWD...

RWD will have more traction around tight corners i would guess, whereas FWD would understeer when powering thru roundabouts...

RWd has more traction due to transfer of weight to the rear etc....
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 02:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I think an ae86 would win in a straight line. Less FWD traction problems and I think they are a fraction lighter as well. I wonder if the gearbox ratios are much different?

ae82s are still a classic car though (for a souped up shopping trolly)
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 03:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
'racing through round abouts' hehe Smile

I agree with the above BTW. Personally i would go the RWD over a FWD anyday.
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 06:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah i prefer rwd over fwd aswell but i dont mind some fwd or though you cant have as much fun in a fwd than rwd...eg(donuts,drift,etc) but thats my opinion....
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 06:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I thought less power would be lost through drive train dissapation within a FWD compared to a rear wheel drive.

Only if you can correct traction problems.

Also, it depends on your driving style aswell. I know some sick ass front wheel car drivers that would leave most RWD cars for dead with his type R.
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what bout sick arse rwd drivers??? i reckon a 4age ae86 would leave an type r for dead...
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
my money would be on the sprinter ..

maybe less power to get to the ground - but the handling aspects seem more refined ..

plus you can hang out a sprinter in a more controlled manner Wink
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
more power to the ground in a ae82, a ae86 would make up for it in traction wouldnt it???
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thats what i meant - sorry Smile

the sprinter , though less powerful at the treads at a guess due to drivetrain losses - would be able to monster out of corners BETTER than a ae82 , that possibly would understeer and spin with power down ..



Who knows - line up a ae82 , and a sprinter - near some round abouts - and time which one does it better ( at safe legals speeds of course Smile)
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lined up with a ae82 rolla. Not gonna name names. Both are fairly close. But i'd still have to say that the sprinter still is faster off the line, straight line speed, corner speed. Plus has way sexier shape to it. Corollas are a fun shopping trolley. Cute but doesn't quite appeal to me.
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you'd be suprised with a type R.

The acceleratin is blistering. The car handles like it is on rails. Pretty hard to lose control. Very very good handling car.. (that's why it's a classic, it breaks the myth of a FWD being poor handling)..

Around the corners, it canes without no countersteering.
In terms of a 4age 86 beating a type R, I don't really think that its a match. The type R VTEC will totally cane. Not that I am dissin sprinters. They are one of my most favorite cars.

Some of my friends are front wheel drive enthusiasts, and yeah, they leave a lot of good RWD drivers for dead(I've seen him even beat an Mazda S6 rx7 around mountain passes). FWD can be pretty good cornering machines if driven well (did you know drift king Tsuchiya won a few tournaments using a civic?).

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Bottom line, i'd say it's a pretty close call. And really, I think it depends on driver. But for an average driver with no biased for a FWD or RWD, prolly the sprinter prehaps?

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 13:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
juz my 2 cents
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Who knows - line up a ae82 , and a sprinter - near some round abouts - and time which one does it better ( at safe legals speeds of course )


hmm. problem is, if its a race, then they both can only get up to, lets say 60, then itd look like the scene from the ali g movie, where hes ricing the guy from the eastside massive, and he slows down to 30mph or km/h (whatever they use in england) Laughing
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Thu, 18 December 2003 22:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ARHG! slow down ali, its da 40 miles an hour sign
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 19 December 2003 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laughing Laughing Laughing my brothers celica rips type r's...i like the look of type r's but not really a honda fan...fwd drift=no such thing, they all drive around with there handbrake on and call it drift... Laughing
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 19 December 2003 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
who ever said anything about FWD and drifting...

If you lose traction at the front in a FWD, you don't try to counter steer it and regain traction. (traditional RWD drift).

Bottom line, FWD are more geared towards grip driving.
Also, grip driving is proven to be faster than drifting.
And the type R makes an excellent grip machine.

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BTW, you CAN drift in a FWD vehicle.. so it's not really a laughing matter.

You take a different line of path compared to traditional RWD drifting. Ask almost any drift specialist and they'll tell you.

Even on drift trainging days, FWD are welcome.

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 19 December 2003 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy dude i've seen all those drift videos and i think fwd drift is a waste of time...
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 19 December 2003 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i would put my ae-92 fwd levin up against a sprinter. but my car cost to much. lolbut seriously.
there are pros n cons wit each car. personally i would rather a fwd yes drift is cool n that..but when i flyin through a corner n see rwd driftin i know i can get through the corner clean so i can get up the speed for the straight.
but its just a preferance thing really..and major driver skill..u could have a hella sweet car n that go up against something u consider shit..and then loose just because they got a betta knowledge of there car or just more skill wit corners ya know.
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 19 December 2003 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i mean if ur going to decide 2 drift, then obvioslly ud have a bit of money set aside for it, in which case youd buy and develop a proper drift machine anyway, which would most probably be a rear wheels drive, but teh fact is you have enough money set aside so you can afford learn how it works then change if neccesaary to another type of drive system, people who use the handbrake in their fwd are just compromising, and theres nothing wrong with that, but ther is also another way to do it and its simply by swinging into a corner at a very late moment to induce the slide

and one last thing, everyone works out their own way of doing things, and try as you might to convince them that their way is wrong, they wil stil do it their way, unles they see a specific benefit in it, so the only thing do to to convince fwd to change teams is to give them a go of ur own rwd....and soon we wil transform everyone back to the good ol manual!
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 03:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Depends how you drive it... i rip the shit out of my fwd ae82 and i've beaten most v6's ive raced Cool

It'd be close. We're gonna have to try it someday wont we!!!

I'd prefer the fwd drive u can donut easily, fishtail more control of the car i reckon...but that's me Razz
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 03:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yes it does, dimmy what have u done to ur car? yes we will someday,
as for doughies, wat the best technique, anyone? (not that we on toymods are encouraging any such behaviour)
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
We can use an analogy to answer the original question:

Q) If a nun and a feminist jump off a tall building at the same time, which one would hit the ground first?

































A) Who cares.
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
im not trying to prove to you guys that rwd are better...im just asking what would be a winner out of ae86vsae82 with the same mods..and nah i dont intend to set my car up for drift atm but i wont a tidy suspension set up that will enhance the car in cornering etc...and of course and fwd is gonna fishtail easily as its pulling the car with the back wheels locked up and the wheels that are turning are the ones the are being driven...when my ae86 is ready to hit the road i will line up against your fwd with approx same power output and see what the outcome is Razz
furbypimp is your ae92 gze or 20v? actually i dont care i will line it up anyway and hope for the best Very Happy
and im quite prepared to give someone ago of my rwd as long as i can have ago of your ride and if you pay for damages i will be happy..
i know are cant convince you fwd people but i prefer rwd because of the characteristics but thats just me Very Happy

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Find me an AE86 and I'll let you know Wink
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
my dad has one he might sell Shocked
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We can use an analogy to answer the original question:

Q) If a nun and a feminist jump off a tall building at the same time, which one would hit the ground first?



i reckon the nun, cos they usually have a habit on, which makes them heavier, and thus have more accelaration on the way down
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well if both reach terminal velocity before impact... then it'll be even Smile
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DrExTc wrote on Sun, 21 December 2003 01:36

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We can use an analogy to answer the original question:

Q) If a nun and a feminist jump off a tall building at the same time, which one would hit the ground first?



i reckon the nun, cos they usually have a habit on, which makes them heavier, and thus have more accelaration on the way down


I dunno, i recon the femanist,
the nuns habit would cause wind restriction, where as the feminists tight clothes (that she wares for herself, not the male pigs out there)whould have almost none!!??
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
How many femanists do you know that wear tight cloths? Most femanists I know are fairly unattractive (by both just natural looks and by not giving a toss what they look like, ie, not even brushing their hair). The reason they squak about femanists rights is 'cuz they can't get a guy wrapped around their little finger like a real woman can. Very Happy
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 20 December 2003 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
haha, beauty of a thread SLY16V. Very Happy Cool

well i can answer this question now, AE86 wins, i had a bit of a thrash with a guy at work, he's got an AE82, and through a series of roundabouts and a straight of bout 600/700m, i killed him, he admitted after that he couldnt hold me through the roundabouts, he said when he pushed his rolla it understeered etc., and felt sketchy, afterall, both cars are very, very stock lol. Laughing and i rev the arse outta my Sprinter, and he didnt catch me on the straight either, so....

but yeh, stock AE86 v stock AE82, in my case anyway, AE86 won, so yeh chalk one up for the rwd lads. /end fwd stir. Razz Laughing

i chose to buy an AE86 as they are light, small and nimble, and are rwd, but hey as some others said, personal preference is the key, but thats just me. Smile

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 21 December 2003 03:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
both 4ac or 4age?
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 21 December 2003 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thanks sprinter-saurus...and cheers to you riceboy(shcao) have fun in your fwd type Rice....
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 21 December 2003 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just coz u like fwd doesnt mean your a ricer

take the WRC citroen xsara for instance
colin mcrae uses that pretty fuckin well and its FWD...

just coz its fwd doesnt make it shit, just not the same as rwd

horses for courses, dont just automatically write it off coz of its drive layout

i am a HUGE RWD fan and will always drive a RWD car, but not all FWD are shitty, especially the DC2-R.

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 21 December 2003 07:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ist the Citroen WRC car - All wheel drive - like the rest of them ?


the pugs had a F2 class Front wheel driver rallycar that slayed on tarmac though
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 21 December 2003 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i dont care what you's say..im just not a fan of fwd's....and deffinately not a fan of honda..
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 21 December 2003 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Whats with the personal attack all of a sudden????
Who said I was a FWD ricer dickwad?

For your information, I own two RWDs (an rx7, and a hachi). I have a very strong biased to RWD cars. I do enjoy driving them more, and know that they are capable of particular techniques that FWD cannot tread on. I do however respect FWD cars too.

I just dislike idiots who look down on FWD drivers.
FWD is a different layout. They are a different flavour. Each to their own. And just cause a guy drives a front wheel, doesn't mean he is a shit driver, or has no talent.

As for me being rice, have I made mention about fiberglass bodykits and clear tail lights. Where the did that come from.

If you wanna get personal, then I feel real sorry for ya mate. If you cannot respect other car manufacturers, and their performance car efforts just cause its FWD then you seriously have no right to call yourself a car enthusiast.

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 21 December 2003 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Classique71 wrote on Sun, 21 December 2003 18:28

ist the Citroen WRC car - All wheel drive - like the rest of them ?


the pugs had a F2 class Front wheel driver rallycar that slayed on tarmac though


its FWD
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 01:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i dont like doing this - but the citroens definantly 4wd - did a bit of googling Wink..

Check this site ut if you want info Smile

http://www.rallycodriver.co.uk/prepcompanies/techn ical/techspecwrc.htm#Xsara

Either way - they are not a bad machine - though those f2 pugs were insane to watch on tarmac Smile

would be a ball of fun to drive
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well ill be damned

i was sure it was fwd well the 2001 car was

heh thanks classique71
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 02:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Classique71 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2003 20:49


Who knows - line up a ae82 , and a sprinter - near some round abouts - and time which one does it better ( at safe legals speeds of course Smile)


Sounds like a challenge, Ill bring the AE86, what you reckon Roman, you in? Evil or Very Mad Gimmie a stab at the "TRD yellow and white" paintjob of yours

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
"And just cause a guy drives a front wheel, doesn't mean he is a shit driver, or has no talent".

wtf, when did i say that???my brother has a fwd and he is an excellent driver,im just not a fan of fwd...

"If you cannot respect other car manufacturers, and their performance car efforts just cause its FWD then you seriously have no right to call yourself a car enthusiast".

just because i dont like honda doesnt mean im not a car enthusiast,afterall toyota and honda are rivals...i like toyota,nissan,some mazda's,subaru,holden,ford and etc...
so if im not a car ethusiast what the fuck is???

and calling me offensive names like dickwad and an idiot is a very bad mistake Mad , if you wanna say something like that to me im quite happy to organise somewhere for you to say it to my face Very Happy if not just keep your mouth on muffle...


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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 12:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Who said I was a FWD ricer dickwad?


'FWD ricer dickwad' is one term, as in FWD-ricer-dickwad, not FWD-ricer, dickwad??. It wasn't aimed at you. Don't have to be so touchy.

secondly... being called a RICEBOY with no coherent evidence is way more derogatory than being called IDIOT.

SLY16V Mon, 22 December 2003 19:34

so if im not a car ethusiast what the fuck is???


well someone who doesn't say stuff like
SLY16V Sun, 21 December 2003 23:30

i dont care what you's say..im just not a fan of fwd's....and deffinately not a fan of honda..

Enthusiast are meant to be open minded or at least tolerant to other enthusiasts views and opinions right? It seems very childish and narrow minded of you to say that.

and lastly, if this isn't the most degradingly patrionising and insulting thing you could say on a car forum.. I don't know what is.
SLY16V Sun, 21 December 2003 16:28

and cheers to you riceboy(shcao) have fun in your fwd type Rice....

(BTW... that comment came out of nowhere and with no warning).

So yeah, I'm sure your an alright bloke. but just think about what you say before you say it. Because at the moment, you are coming accross as a little hostile and narrow minded.

But no hard feelings. catch.

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
woops

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
over it, i dont wanna cause an argument over something as stupid as this....so mate pm me your mobile number so we can arrange a run when my ae86 is finished....

sorry for not warning you bout the comments mate, next time i will....


nah sorry dude i didnt mean to upset you as much as i did...


cheers shcao....
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 22 December 2003 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
umm dont worry bout the pm dude, i didnt realize you were in melbourne....


cheers and happy posting from now on Very Happy
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cool mate
/me high fives sly
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Tue, 23 December 2003 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Classique71 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2003 20:49


Who knows - line up a ae82 , and a sprinter - near some round abouts - and time which one does it better ( at safe legals speeds of course Smile)


Sounds like a challenge, Ill bring the AE86, what you reckon Roman, you in? Evil or Very Mad Gimmie a stab at the "TRD yellow and white" paintjob of yours



Heh soz dude. I think i took the goodies. He told me he crunched 2nd but from the lights i already did pull away. I thought the TRD colors were black/red. (crosses fingers) If so i'll just vinyl up my car and save myself 2K for a respray rofls. Nevertheless 82's are still fun to drive and they're quick. With correct mods to the suspension. They can be a very worthy competitor.
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shcao wrote on Sun, 21 December 2003 14:36

both 4ac or 4age?


both mighty 4ac adrenaline power machines!! Laughing Cool

teh 4ac rules yoose. respektah!! Shocked Laughing
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cool thanks guys for your feed back.... Very Happy
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 26 December 2003 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
You know i'll beat you gussy! Very Happy
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Tue, 30 December 2003 02:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laughing wait and see lachy...
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 30 January 2004 06:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what about ae86 vs ae82 vs ae95r(4wd)?
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 30 January 2004 07:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well it's worth a comparison if they are running the same motor...

We are just comparing different layouts.
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Fri, 30 January 2004 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yea, a ae95 has a 4afe, but wat if they all had a 4age..... hmmm... all of them has pros and cons but which one would be better overall, if there is such a thing...
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 31 January 2004 00:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I would have to say AE86 would kill the AE82!
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 31 January 2004 01:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Just browsing through the technical articles of none other than the toymods homepage, I found this excellent piece on different drive layouts written by bill Sherwood.

I'm assuming that it is for low speed applications (as stock ae86s, ae82s, etc. are below 100 hp). So here it is.

Thanks Bill.

Bill Sherwood

Generalised stuff

FWD

Drivetrain losses are about 17% - 22% at an educated guess.
A rough weight distribution of 55/60% front to 45/40% rear.
The complete car will weigh roughly 30kg - 40kg less than a RWD, and about 60kg - 80kg less than a 4WD.

RWD

Drivetrain losses are about 24% - 30% at an educated guess.
A rough weigh distribution of about 48/53% front to 52/47% rear.

4WD

Drivetrain losses are about 35% - 40% odd.
A rough weight distribution of about 48/53% front to 52/47% rear, though this tend to be less important.
Torque split front/rear is a significant factor in handling.



Low power (up to 100hp)

FWD


Straight line
This will be the fastest car as although it has the least traction out of the three it doesn't have enough power to really smoke the tyres badly. It'll also have the most power at the wheels as it has the least losses.


Top speed
Also the highest due to the least losses.


Braking
Not allowing for engine braking assist, FWD will be the worst due to the most forward weight distribution, thus reducing the braking ability of the rear wheels. Allowing for engine braking assist, it'll also be quite good and nearly as good as the 4WD.


Stability
Almost equal with 4WD due to the forward weight distribution. "Flight of the lead-tipped arrow" is the way to describe it, as the car that has the most weight up the front will have the pendulum effect to keep the car going straight. (big generalisation, I know, but it'll do for the moment)


Cornering
In theory the slowest, but in practice not a heck of a lot of difference between all the types. It's tough to describe without any diagrams but when a car - of any type of drive - is cornering on the limit then all four tyres will be slipping at about a 7° (roughly) angle to the road. This is a result of a thing called the 'traction circle', which I won't get into at the moment, but what it means is that in a stable situation with the car very near the limit of the tyres, if you add power in a FWD then the available lateral traction of the front tyres will be exceeded and so the car will start to understeer. The more power you add, regardless of the steering wheel angle, the more the car will understeer.
This effect varies with the speed of the car naturally, with it being greatest at high speed. At very slow speeds the front tyres tend to dominate and still pull the front around anyway. It's also why the front end of a FWD tucks back in when you lift off the throttle. (as well as weight transfer with deceleration)
And again this is a generalisation, not taking into account the modern clever active LSD's, suspension geometry, etc. They have a significant effect on the way a FWD behaves, and for example with the superb active LSD that the Honda Integra Type R has it can alter the torque of the left and right front wheels to give the outside wheel the most torque, hence the more power you use the more it goes to the most heavily loaded wheel, which of course has little chance of spinning and so cause understeer.


Ease of set-up
Probably not a great deal different to the other types, though to get the best it requires careful balance of the front and rear spring rates, and also F/R anti-roll bars. There can be a wide difference between wheel rates front to rear to get a good handling car.


Effect of total weight
The most affected of the three types, as it has the greatest effect of the weight on the front wheels. Lighter is always better.


Cost
By far the cheapest of the lot to produce, and this, along with the inherant stability of the low power FWD make it the main choice of manufacturers. If they want to make a 'sporty' version of the car, all they usually do is add some sort of LSD to the front (viscous, active, etc) and that generally tunes out most of the nasties from them. They also have the most room inside, which naturally the manufacturers and public like.





RWD


Straight line
Second fastest of course, though about equal in the initial jump off the line with the 4WD.


Top speed
Second fastest again.


Braking
They have the most rearward weight distribution, so they will pull up the best as the weight transfers to the front under heavy braking. If the driver doesn't match engine revs when downchanging though, the rear will lose grip when the clutch is let out and so the rearward weight will work against the car making the corner facing in the right direction. Wink


Stability
Worst of the three due to the majority of the mass being rearwards. (on some cars) A good driver actually turns this into an advantage, as it allows better control of the car when on the limit in corners, and also for direction changes between corners.


Cornering
Probably a little better than FWD due to the slip angle on the rears increasing at the limit when adding more power, thus making the car oversteer a little. In theory, a touch of oversteer is the fastest way through a corner but it may not always be the case in practice, as the cars (all types) that tend to oversteer also tend to have that amount of oversteer vary with speed.


Ease of set-up
A lot of variable again, but there is usually a wide variation that can be used quite successfully. The variation between front and rear wheel rates is usually a lot less than FWD, and perhaps much the same as 4WD's. This is one reason why RWD's also tend to wear down the front and rear tyres more evenly than a FWD.


Effect of total weight
Fairly insensitive, to a point. Lighter is always better.


Cost
Second most expensive to produce. Depending on the rear suspension, they may have a fair bit of boot space taken up (like the AE-86) to allow the diff housing the move around. There's also a tailshaft tunnel.





4WD


Straight line
The slowest of all due to the highest losses in the drivetrain. Maybe the fastest off the line because there's zero wheelspin, but this also infers that the engine tends to bog down. Good drivers can slip the clutch just the right amount to keep the engine spinning. (not good for the clutch though!)


Top speed
For obvious reasons, the slowest.


Braking
Roughly in between the FWD and RWD, but as it's darn near impossible to have all four wheels lock up if the clutch is let out at the wrong time it makes them quite safe and stable.


Stability
Again, when corning at the limit of the tyres if you add power the traction limit will be exceeded. In the 4WD's case though, they all tend to start to let go at the same time and so the car will tend to four wheel drift a little. However, it does depend on the torque split front/rear, but in most of the lower powered 4WD's they usually have a 50/50 split. For reasons that I'll explain later though, that tends to make the car understeer more ...


Ease of set-up
Probably tending to be more like the FWD in terms of difficulty, but with more like RWD rates, etc.


Effect of total weight
Quite insensitive. Lighter is always better.


Cost
Due to having components of FWD and RWD, they naturally tend to cost the most to make.





Summary - low power

Depending a lot on what you want the car for.

Public
FWD wins every time.


Club work
Whatever you prefer. I learned to drive in a RWD, and I find it very difficult to drive FWD's quickly. They can be driven very quickly indeed, but it does seem to require a touch more skill to do so. Left foot braking to stabilise the car and control the car is often needed. 4WD's tend to behave more like FWD's, and so you've come off a FWD then you'll be better off than a RWD driver. In motorkhana's, FWD's are very hard to beat indeed.


Racing
FWD or RWD, again take your pick as you have to trade off between power at the wheels and cornering power and braking ability. Since low power cars tend to do better with even a slight amount of extra power, FWD would seem to be best here.





This is only the low HP section. Be sure to check out the rest of the article.

Rock on.

[Updated on: Sat, 31 January 2004 01:37]

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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sat, 31 January 2004 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i have read that article, i think it is check outs, a friend said his telstar tx5 2.212v can beats his bros silvia sr20de, donno if he is pulling my leg but could be true
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 01 February 2004 00:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I've owned both cars and as much as I respect the ae82
and I think they are great cars, I prefer the ae86. For me they look nicer and I am a RWD junky. As for the race it depends on the driver, if it was the same driver timing him self going from point A to point B in one car and then in the other, and if he is a good driver he should be able to get better times with the ae86. But thats just what I think, as for the roundabouts, I would go straight over them getting some crazy air and saving time YYEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!
In saying all this I saw a black ae82 4AGZE not sure if it was Turbo, took off at a set of traffic lights at Brighton Le Sands, Sydney, and it was one of the fastest takeoffs I've ever seen on road, it was crazy!
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Sun, 01 February 2004 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Change surface to gravel- decent driver wins in RWD every time. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Re: ae86 vs ae82??? Mon, 02 February 2004 02:18 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
I would go for a FWD AE82, I personally not a RWD person. I guess it all depends on how you tune your suspensions. I had a civic EG6 before. Man that thing sticks on the road like anything. I can go around a round-about flat stick without worrying it would understeer. Alot of commodores/silvias/skylines ate dust around corners from losing traction.... Yeah like alot of people said, it depends on how your driving style.

I hate to see my ass come out around corners. It costed heaps the last time i did it.... heheh... Laughing
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