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Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Fri, 19 December 2003 12:54
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Hi,
I was wondering if u can actually leave the ST-162 celica pop up lights up???? I wouldn't wanna have to have the lights on at the same time...
What do ppl recommend in terms of suspension, And whats the overal handling like of a st162, say compared to a Corolla sx or a twincam...
Whats the interior like on them? Do they have rear speakers in the actual side walls like the st185.
I went in a st185 celica today, Damn I felt comfy in it, although they are the 5sfe (I THINK) they still felt quite exciting, a decent amount of torque..
Whats the redline on these cars?
Regards
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Fri, 19 December 2003 13:32
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I see your a bit confused so I'll answer these as best I can. 
You can leave the lights up there is an extra click on the colunm (ie off - off but up - park - headlight)
Stock handling on the ST162 isn't too bad, it has quite a bit of bodyroll, they tend to be a bit soft, but a set of aftermarket springs will fix that.
Some models have 4 speaker systems with 2 behind the front dash and 2 in the rear side walls above the rear suspension tower.
The interior overall is quite comfy and not to bland.
aahhhhh... if it was an ST185 it would have been a 3SGTE 4WD (GT4) they have slighty better interiors than the ST184 (which is probably the one you went in, and yes a 5SFE)
A 3SGE ST162 redlines at 7300rpm, and I think the 3SFE is about 6500rpm, someone correct me if I am wrong. 
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Fri, 19 December 2003 23:34
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wiso is spot on for the lights.
an st192 with sliglty stiffer spriings and better shockers will handle sweetly - they are renouned for being one of the best fwd handling cars out there ..
Spot on with the speakers too ..
if you want good sound - invest in a decent set of splits for the front ( focal make an excellent 4 inch split ) and maybe look at investing in a sub box ..
Im not sure if the s162 is the same as mine but the rear speakers rattle the interier trim with little power going thru them - im going to have to stiffen it alot to pit in a decent set of 6 inchers if i want good sound balanced out ( or just get a subby box )
St185's do have a much comfier interior than the 162 and 184's , alot more GT style .
engine wise st184 (5sfe ) vs st162 (3sge ) - well the better ones clearly the 3sge - they are a sweet motor  But if you can afford a st185 Gt4 with the 3sgte - youll be happier again! - super strong and reliable - and pokey
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 20 December 2003 00:28
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i have st184, umm yeah 5sfe not too much power but a 3sgte bolts right on if u have enough $$. so thats something i am planning to do.
however ppl have been telling me stories of wheelspin and its bothering me. can some1 tell me how much wheel to expect after swapping the 3sgte into a st184 FF.
thanks.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 20 December 2003 00:52
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Hey,
WOW, Thanx for the answers,
I heard too that these engines sound absolutely MAD when u put a cold air intake and podfilter/ K&n panel filter..
Which do u guys recommend?
I know a dude thats sellin his st-162 for about $5500 i think, its got extractors, exhaust,16" rims, stereo etc etc.. and a few other things. I still am not sure the kms on it or anything like that..
I'm still drivin my dads CS corolla, and its not much fun, i've tried doin all sorts of stuff in it (just in a factory close by) and the bodyroll is like being on a boat, and it feels very unsafe to do that stuff so i won't do it anymore lol
But yeah, Thats awesome if u can leave the lights up without having the lights on, which looks better? up or down?
Redline is 7300rpm??
Thats pretty high for a 2litre, i'm saying this as a good thing, I love a car that likes a high redline.
Whats the power like up to 7000ish rpm
I'm probably gonna stay away from a GT-4 for the first car, only reason that its a bit too much for me, and I will have something to look forward to for the next car.
Whats the 3sge engine like say compared to a 4age 100kw or 86kw,
I'm guessing torque is a bit more??
How much would the st-162 have in terms of torque, I know a Corolla sx has 147nm. I'm guessing around the 160-170 mark?
Any suggestions for smallish mods if i got the one that my mates selling as mentioned above?
Could advanced timing help a bit?
And what cars would the st-162 be similar to in 1/4 mile?
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 20 December 2003 00:58
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By the way, I believe its had a new engine put in not long ago!
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 20 December 2003 09:08
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a pod filter is a waste of time unless you box it in - so it doesnt suck in hot engine bay air into the intake ..
your better off getting a better quality panel filter - and then routing a cold air induction setup from outside the engine bay ..
As for the 3sge - they are a gruntier motor for sure but there is less aftermarket type parts for them .. thoough in saying that they are one of the most underrated engines in the toyota family .. well designed + strong ..
$5500 is a reasonable price for a clean st162 with 3sge - though on the high side of reasonable
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 20 December 2003 10:05
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The 3SGE has about 134lbs/ft of torque, I think about the 170nm mark.
Lights is a personal choice you'll have to look at that when you get one. personally i think with them up they look a bit like one of those army ducks (you know the vehicle that drives and floats), not quite right, they loose that sleek look.
They take n/a series 4 rx-7's  , they run about mid to high 16sec's
extractors and exhaust with decent panel filter and some cold air ducting is the best way to go. I had this on my old 3SGE on a dyno day scored 10fwkw's more than stocker.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 20 December 2003 10:09
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madman.
the wheelspin you get when you drop a 3SGTE into a FWD celi isn't that bad, it's controllable. you don't just sit on the spot spinning never getting traction. If you do do this, remember, you WILL need a damn good clutch a standard one can't cut it in a FWD setup.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 20 December 2003 11:22
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WOOOHOOO
I got to take one for a spin,
They are MAD CARS,
I prefer it to the Corolla sx a fair bit, just coz it feels a bit more comfy, and it has the racy feel of a Ae82 twincam.
I went to the dealers, and they let me take it for a drive for like 30 minutes, Boy did i have some fun, I had to wait a while for the engine to stop smelling (u know when u drive the car a bit hard and it smells). It was in the wet too...
I was driving around with the lights up, I learn't how to use everything, from the sunroof, to the rear windscreen wiper.
Bloody hell, I still can't get over the drive, only problem was that the car had 3rd gear syncros really bad, at any revs it would crunch, ohh actually anything over 2000rpm...
I'm in love with em.. Engine had a fair bit of torque, I could feel it going up hills, I went up this really steep hill at about 2000rpm, and still had balls, it was steadily increasing
Another thing is, I'm really suprised at the handling, They Handle really well compared to the ae92 CS i'm driving around these days.. I love these st-162s LOTS now....
TVIS although is a bit lame in most eyes, its still a fair bit of fun for someone coming from a 4afc!!
Well yeah...
I did a bit of a write up just in case u wanna read the whole experience
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=25700&start=0&rid=3960&S=f61652b1436 3e06e923fc435445fcf7d
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sun, 21 December 2003 06:32
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| wiso wrote on Sat, 20 December 2003 23:43 |
really, it's just the bumper and the GT4's have small squared skirts down the bottom while the normal celi's have a small strip.
It's not that the bumper is expensive, it's more that it is extremly difficult to find.
alot of people tend to paint that plastic air dam at the bottom of the celi bumper (hey I did it until I sourced my GT4 bar) it's kinda common place. catch is that because it's so soft, you hit anything with it all the paint cracks off.
Not sure about the wheels, I think those ones in the pics are OZ racing mags (ie. fucking expensive) I am sure there a immitations you can buy.
Unfortunatly the gearbox is one thing you may always find a problem in these cars. they always seem to have a common fault with their 2nd and 3rd syncros failing. advice, if you ever have to change a gearbox get an ST184 box, it's gearing and syncros were much improved.
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Interesting,
How much was the gt4 Bumper?
Is there any cheaper brand 5 spoke White rims?? Coz they looked really nice, I like how its got Fog lights, I wouldn't mind doin it myself too..
Yeah The gearbox was a bit of a dissapointment, but Yeah I don't think i'd get that car, There are quite a few around,
So far, White looks the best I reckon, For some reason I just like White LOL!
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sun, 21 December 2003 06:45
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bumper, mine kinda came as a package, I got an ST165 halfcut for the engine and of course the bumper came with it.
I remeber talking to someone who got one of those bumpers from the wreckers, it cost him $700 for the full setup.
The wheels are something you may have to look up yourself, just go to a tyre shop and get a few catologues and ask a few questions.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sun, 21 December 2003 06:48
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well as a comparison - a gt4 st185 bumper costs close to 350 dollars to buy new - unprimed ..
though then you have to get inserts for mesh , and a mounting bar ..
not sure if the st165 uses the same mounting bar as the 162 , or if the lights are inclusive ..
ask toyota
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sun, 21 December 2003 07:15
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as a side note v.2 my bar so far - unpainted has cost me close to 700 for all the parts - not icluding the indicators ..
it aint cheap buying genuine !
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sun, 21 December 2003 14:24
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It's a waste of time asking toyota anything about the ST165's, they have no clue and they don't care to.
The mounting bar is quite similar. overall the plastic bumper would fit onto the original metal bumper but the gt4 one has mounts welded on for the fog lights, and it feels a bit lighter.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Mon, 22 December 2003 01:44
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sounds like my group A mounting bar - its aluminum - whereas the Gt4 one is steel - about 15 - 20KG difference
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Mon, 22 December 2003 02:02
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| SR TWINCAM wrote on Sat, 20 December 2003 22:26 |
This has been what I've been wanting a st-162 to look like,
This being a GT-4 ST-165, what are the main differences in terms of looks...
Is the gt-4 front bumper expensive to buy? And i've noticed the st-162 actually have a black bit onto the bumper, Will it look a bit better with it painted?
And those rims on that picture, does anyone know what they are and a rough amount on how much they could cost!
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Hey man, i own a ST-162, if your not willing to pay for the gt4 front bumper i highly recommend paint the bottom bit the same colour as the car. I have done this and i think it makes the car look alot better!
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Mon, 22 December 2003 13:04
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it's still a steel bar Stu, at least I don't think it's aluminium, it just has holes drilled in the back and a few other weighty parts removed, probably about 5kg or so lighter that the standard, Hey but every bit counts.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Tue, 23 December 2003 10:47
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Roughyl how much would i be looking at for a gt4 bumper!
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Tue, 23 December 2003 15:18
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yeah we kinda went a bit off track
as I said in an earlier post I know of someone who paid $700 for the complete 3 peice bar, with foglights and grill. unpainted.
But it would really be a matter of finding one at an importers/wreckers and getting a price from them. good luck in finding one.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Tue, 23 December 2003 23:39
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your better off getting a better quality panel filter - and then routing a cold air induction setup from outside the engine bay ..
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Stu... hmmm this sounds familiar
yeah I had this + extractors = 79.6kw at the wheels on dyno day. impressive. I wanna get some zorst for the next one so my a wacked air-fuel ratio and somewhat worn rings can blow some serious smoke at the rx-7s I pass
I have a pod filter in there now  while I am fiberglassing up the other set-up properly. I may box in the pod while I am at it just to see how it goes.
on the 184, my mates wife has a nice blue one, but I found the seats hard and kinda squary, where as the ones on my 162 are quite nice and rounded and a bit, uh, I guess just more moulded.
If you like the noise, BOTH CAI + panel and pod filter make the 'rumble' that we like 
Man that has always been the sweetest GT4 ever in those pics I want it SO BAD.. ahhh what can we do..
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Wed, 24 December 2003 01:34
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hehe - dont let them dwell on it being an mr2 motor rob - we all know it was the cold air induction setup we bodgyied in there that made the difference !!
And the cable ties
BTW - robs st162 is easily the most potent 3sge ive driven - very pokey
youll also find under the airbox a possible induction resonator that removes most of the good noises - like a muffler ..
I know the gt4's have one - its a big black plastic box might have it out by the weekend ..
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Wed, 24 December 2003 05:29
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Hahaha,
So can i make sure i'm gettin a gen 2 engine?? or do they have to be moved over???
Did the extractors do much?
And did the thing under the airbox induction help when it was removed?? Its the resonator thing u were talking about!
Rob,
Did u find the panel filter better than the pod?
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Wed, 24 December 2003 08:18
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nahhh sorry SR TWINCAM, st162 celica only come with gen1 motors, the gen2's came in the early 90's MR2's, they can be swapped over, but it would only be worth while doing when you have reason too (ie engine dying).
The extractors do help quite a bit I had my car dyno run with they and a 2" sports exhaust as the only mods, it made about 8fwkw more than standard.
now the induction questions.
I found a good panel with the cold air feed, much better than a pod with cold air feed personally (plus it's for the safety factor aswell, The RTA um and ah about Pods. The resonator, yes deffinatly helps to remove it.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Wed, 24 December 2003 09:47
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Hey,
No matter about the gen1/gen2 engines etc.. I drove the gen1 and it was a beaut...
I think i might try find one with extractors, I know someone that could get them for the st162 for about $250, might check it out one day..
8kw more than standard, nice work. Thats MAD.
I heard the pod filters performance is kinda rough, my mate had one in his daeweo and it was really shitty, like u put ur foot down and there was rough spots in the rev range where it would jolt...
Did the induction noise increase with just the panel filter, removing the resonator and doing cold air intake??
I wanted a similar Pod filter roar, without the pod filter hahaha
Thanx for ur time!
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Wed, 24 December 2003 15:09
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with a good panel and your standard intake setup, no it sounds exactly the same as standard, but yes removing the resonator and making a larger hole with some big piping does increase the induction noise nicley.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Thu, 25 December 2003 12:30
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Yeah I'm after that bit more induction noise....
I'm taking another one for a test drive tommorrow,
hehehe!!!!
WOOOHOOO!!
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 27 December 2003 01:14
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Abit off topic, but I'm looking to sell my wife's st162.
I've already done the st 184 gearbox swap (which is good) a a few other things.
PM me if your intersted.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 27 December 2003 06:44
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Where abouts are u located?
I think ur in Sydney, I'm in Melbourne,
Details would be good if u are in Melbourne though...
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 27 December 2003 08:28
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Where abouts are u located?
I think ur in Sydney, I'm in Melbourne,
Details would be good if u are in Melbourne though...
I took another st-162 for a spin, this time the dealer was driving it, he couldn't drive for shit... He was sitting at the lights riding the clutch just so he doesn't have to press the brake, while he waits for the lights to turn green, and when he did take off it felt like a learner driver taking off in manual for the first time, it was AWEFUL!!!!
But i went back to the first guy at the dealer as well, I talked him into letting me have another ride, he was cool with it, so i took it for another spin, damn i love these cars....
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 27 December 2003 11:58
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But i went back to the first guy at the dealer as well, I talked him into letting me have another ride, he was cool with it, so i took it for another spin, damn i love these cars.
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lol dude, talk him into taking you to school next year...
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sat, 27 December 2003 13:31
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| RobST162 wrote on Sat, 27 December 2003 22:58 |
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But i went back to the first guy at the dealer as well, I talked him into letting me have another ride, he was cool with it, so i took it for another spin, damn i love these cars.
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lol dude, talk him into taking you to school next year...
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HHAHAHA
I tried, hehehe
By the way,
Would A Corolla SX steering wheel just be a simple changeover onto a Celica SX?? Which would be more comfy?
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sun, 28 December 2003 12:41
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By the way,
Would A Corolla SX steering wheel just be a simple changeover onto a Celica SX?? Which would be more comfy?
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hmmmmmm interesting, I am not sure I always kinda wondered myself cause I quite like the AE82 twincam steering wheels, You's probably have to find one and have a look at the layout for the indicator tabs, but it may 
otherwise you go buy a boss kit and get an aftermarket wheel of your choice.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Sun, 28 December 2003 22:14
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in newcastle, so, no dice.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Mon, 29 December 2003 03:22
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Wiso, those extractors for $250, what brand were they and what are they made of?if they're half decent is it possible for us to get our hands on em or were they a once off? Also, whats this resonator?I pulled out my air box and didnt see one. Is it the short rippled tube runnin to behind the headlight?If so, its gone as of next week.....
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Mon, 29 December 2003 04:41
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| wiso wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 23:41 |
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By the way,
Would A Corolla SX steering wheel just be a simple changeover onto a Celica SX?? Which would be more comfy?
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hmmmmmm interesting, I am not sure I always kinda wondered myself cause I quite like the AE82 twincam steering wheels, You's probably have to find one and have a look at the layout for the indicator tabs, but it may
otherwise you go buy a boss kit and get an aftermarket wheel of your choice.
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Hey,
I wasn't too keen on the ae82 twincam steering wheels, coz they were HUGE (well i thought they were a bit too big), and yeah the corolla sx ones are heaps bigger and a lot more comfy IMO.
If anythin i'd just keep the celica sx one, i'm not too keen on the aftermarket ones, just coz I'd rather spend the money on doing things to the engine, it would cost around $120+ to get the boss kit and steering wheel....
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Mon, 29 December 2003 05:33
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don't know StuC I didn't say about the extractors for $250, that was SR TWINCAM, the ones I had were genie's they costed $350, should be able to get them from most exhaust places that stock genie products. or the other brand for ST162's are berkleys, which is what RobST162 has, they cost $300.
Personally I'd go the genie's because they have are bit better in terms of there design.
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Re: Just a few ST-162 Questions
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Mon, 29 December 2003 07:33
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Yeah my price was through this dude i know,
It was $250....
Don't know about the brand etc...
Would it be worth it for the money?
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