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Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Mon, 22 December 2003 05:50
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That's it guys... after a lot of thought and planning, the rebuilt 3S-GTE engine will be going into my RAV4 very soon. All I have to do is find a place to stash the front-cut while the engine gets rebuilt in January. All I need here is just one volunteer with a little bit of space (pref. undercover).
Once the engine has been rebuilt, I'm going to need as much help as humanly possible in swapping my old 3S-FE stocker for a modded 3S-GTE with different computer, etc. Some of the things that will be required to reassemble into my ride are:
- new 3S-GTE sump. I've been told by Toyota that mine won't hold enough oil to do a straight swapover.
- switch gearbox end-housing from mine to the ST205 box.
- maybe using a Hilux rear diff to better suit the different gear ratios.
- swap out half-shafts, bearings and CV boots for stronger alternatives (to be advised)
- wiring up new gauges, turbo timer, etc.
- other things that will spring up in due course... 
If it's at all possible, I'd like to TRY and get most of these things installed over a weekend. So I've planned 2 months in advance. Ideally, I'd like to have as many people working with me on this as possible, and somewhere to do it with a barbie as well. I'll provide the meat and beers for the day.  If I don't get much interest in this project, then I'd like to have as many of those who know about 3S-GTE engines / ST205 drivetrains as possible.
Over 2 years I've been planning this conversion (as well as the rest of the car), and here is where I need the MOST help. If you can help out here, please come up with ideas for a venue for the weekend so it can run as smoothly as possible.
Thanks in advance guys... cheers. 
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 03:04
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I think the problem is that you did plan it too far in advance... be more spontaneous... its too hard to think more than a week away (except for ToyNats)
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 04:31
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You would be lucky to achieve all those things in 10 weekends not 1. You may think you have accounted for everything, but you will be far from it, so many things will pop up, then you will need parts, but wont be able to get them for another couple of weeks, which, will hold everything else up. You really need to put the car somewhere and work on it over a time period, to do a proper thorough job.
It's taken me more than 3 months to complete my 1JZ landcruiser, and im fortunate enough to have all sorts of aluminium, tools, fabrication and workshop at my disposal. During the 3 months I have pretty much worked sats and sundays 10am - 6pm, and 3 - 4 weekdays everyweek 4pm - 7pm, and chuck in a few midnighters aswell haha.
So bascially summing up i personally think you are being unrealistic, find somewhere to keep the car, work on it slowly and do a proper job, or else there will be a weekend of alot of people standing around doing nothing. Things always take alot longer than you imagined.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 05:32
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Agreed, What he said^^^^^
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 05:49
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andrew you're a little far away from me (am in melb)
like the two other guys have said - when you think you've done your homework - go and do more.
i've put a 4age into a ta22 - a pretty straightforward swap so its thought/suggested. tell you what it aint....
if you need your car for a daily driver come monday morning you'll be off the air - listen esp to what skip said - it took me 4 weeks of 8-5 to get my 4age even running!
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 06:57
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Anderw
I would like to help but i'll be north in the Gold coast that weekend.
As the other boys have said,,
Have you planned for a bigger fuel pump, and I would say that the CV's will have to be custom machined up.
The 7M into my car apart from fuel is a direct bolt up the engine mounts are the same. But its taking me a while to. I'm sorry to say but you might need a daily driver for a few weeks or have to pay somone to do the conversion for you
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 07:23
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| BigFella_73 wrote on Tue, 23 December 2003 13:38 |
I would have thought there would be people jumping at the chance to get their hands dirty and score a free BBQ and some free booze while they're at it. 
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So you actually want a bunch of drunken hoons working on your prized possession?
This is a complex project. Your timeline is optimistic.
Ideally you want 2, maybe 3, very experienced pairs of hands (welding and machining skills a big bonus), not a gaggle of onlookers wanting a free feed and a piss up. Select these people. You may even need to pay them.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 08:05
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I would help but your too far away
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 08:28
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By the way, it sounds like an awesome project, good to see there will be another nut driving around an overpowered 4WD. Make sure it is done properly not rushed!!!!!!! You will be pissed when you have to constantly take it off the road to fix things up.
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 Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 12:48
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Skip, I agree with your thinking, except I don't have the luxury of two cars. This is my only transport between work and home, BTW which is paying for this swapover. I can't take time off work while this gets done. I'm mechanically-minded, but am not a mechanic by any stretch. I really would love to do this by myself, but this idea is unrealistic. In fact it's ludicrous. I have no tools, facilities or time at my disposal, nor cash coming out my ass to pay for someone to do it for me.
The hard fact here is that I have an ST205 front-cut that has to go somewhere for NOW so it can be taken apart and rebuilt later. I HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT THIS. Bottom line. JustJap will not keep this there for me to admire every weekend until I find somewhere to put it. They have a business to run as well and their business requires the need for space, which my front-cut is taking up. I was hopeful a few weeks ago that someone would be able to help me out with relocating this front-cut, but I've had no joy since buying it. It will be there for another week or so, but after that it has to go somewhere else. Right now this is where I need the MOST help.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 13:34
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doesn't the RAV have fulltime 4WD? If so, I wouldn't be changing to a Hilux rear diff in a hurry... unless you like your rear wheels to spin at different speeds to the fronts.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 21:27
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They already spin at different speeds... front wheels turn at full power while the rears turn at about 75% of the fronts. When the centre diff lock is on, THEN they turn at the same speeds.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 22:03
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I'd love to help but I'll be in Adelaide that weekend  I'm also really only a member of the olympic standing there team 
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 23:25
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Hire a storage garage at a commercial storage facility. Won't cost much and is cheaper than having the half cut sold from under you. Sounds like you only need to store it for a couple of months.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 23:31
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Maybe you should invest in a bunkie shitter while doing the conversion. Just an idea, but maybe you could hire out one of those storage lockers for a few weeks and do it there? That should be able to fit your car, and your front cut. However i dont have any idea how much they cost.
Spectral is right about the hilux rear, you will have to make sure you get the same ratio as the front, as you will have a serverely exagerated locked diff sensation  . And no they dont spin at different speeds, they spin at exactly the same speed. If you have different tyres front and rear they will spin at different speeds, or different ratios, but that sounds ridiculous. If they didnt spin at the same speed all hell would break lose when you engaged the centre diff lock on the road. What you are trying to explain is the front/rear torque split i think, like what GTR's have.
Putting in a Hilux rear sounds like a couple of weeks work itself. Shrotening, Mounting points, suspension, brakes, yuk. Bundera diff may be better as they are coil sprung not leaf like the hilux.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 23:43
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Damn you gianttomato, you read my mind 
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 23:47
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puts hand up!
but I don't think 1 weekend will do it..  And a place is so needed to be able to leave it and make a mess. So you don't have a garage? carport? that it can be parked in?
there is a car some dude is desparate to get rid of in "Parts for sale" like for less than a grand, an 87 Pulsar.. maybe get that while you do the conversion?
I would be super keen to help mate
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Tue, 23 December 2003 23:54
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Great minds......
Usually the storage places won't let you do work there - although it can't hurt to ask.
Another option would be to rent out the corner of a factory or someone's garage. Look in the back of your local newspaper for one that is convenient.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 00:04
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Andrew, are you doing it at your place? cause im not far so i could lend a hand.
As for space i cant help you there
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 00:18
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Putting in a Hilux rear sounds like a couple of weeks work itself. Shrotening, Mounting points, suspension, brakes, yuk. Bundera diff may be better as they are coil sprung not leaf like the hilux.
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Isnt RAV4 IRS? Might take bit longer than a couple of weeks .
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 03:34
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| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 24 December 2003 10:54 |
Great minds......
Usually the storage places won't let you do work there - although it can't hurt to ask.
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I've enquired about doing it this way already - they won't have it. No one will.
Skip, a couple of things... the front and rear do turn at different speeds when there's no ground underneath the wheels. I've had it on a hoist before, and it was in the air idling away in 2nd gear, and noticed that the front wheels are doing their bit, but the rears were trailing the fronts. I know this isn't how it works when it's on the road. The torque split is 60/40 Front.
Doing this at my place is completely out of the question. I live on the 10th floor of an apartment block and I'm very lucky to have a garage no bigger than the car that parks in it, and there's no other space other than the parking spots on the road, which are never empty.
Alright, so a HiLux rear diff could be a bit much of a job; is there an LSD that suits a GT-Four drivetrain? On some RAV4's sold in Australia, there's a Torsen LSD that was sold as an option.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 06:12
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Andrew,
There is a possibility they may spin at different speeds when in normal drive mode, but when the centre diff is locked they have to spin at the same speed. Think about it, you would just snap you axles.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 06:38
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id like to come, and learn some good stuff...(i dont really know shit)
but alas, victoria.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 10:56
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| Skip wrote on Wed, 24 December 2003 17:12 |
Andrew,
There is a possibility they may spin at different speeds when in normal drive mode, but when the centre diff is locked they have to spin at the same speed. Think about it, you would just snap you axles.
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True to that, but also consider this... I've never had to drive in diff-locked mode in the whole time I've owned the RAV. This is also why you don't put the RAV in diff-lock mode when it goes on a dyno... imagine locked diff's at 160km/h?? Bye bye drivetrain... although it would give the most precise reading of roughly 60 aw/kw, as opposed to my *cough* exaggerated *cough* 90.8 aw/kw.  For mine, that's a little too high for a stock RAV4 with just a modified cold air intake.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 12:50
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Add another to the 'thought i had it covered time and $$$ wise' pile.
Mine took 3 months to complete, working a couple of days a week.
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 13:21
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Leave it stock
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Wed, 24 December 2003 21:06
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seriously andrew i'd employ a garage to take on this task - its your daily driver so you're going to be without wheels to while its being done!
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Thu, 25 December 2003 10:20
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I know this has been said to death, but hey... I'd love to offer help, and maybe even a place to do it, but, once again, I'm not exactly located conveniently to you. Sorry! 
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Re: Hands up for a 'rebuild weekend'?! (21/22 Feb '04)
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Sat, 27 December 2003 09:29
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I might be onto something (finally) as far as rebuilding/refitting goes. I'll get back to you about this on Monday when I find out more.
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