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Which Petrol is better Wed, 24 December 2003 16:04 Go to next message
okies guyz i have just finished reading a debate on a nissan forum about which Premium Unleaded Petrol is better for your car .... the arguement was pretty long and everyone seems to have different point of views ... some said that "Shell optimax" was good but alot of people disagreed and said that Optimax was the worst ... majority of the people said that "Mobil Synergy 8000" was to use with "BP Ultimate" being 2nd favourite ... now this got me wondering because i have been using "Shell Optimax" for quite sometime now and honestly i have tried different petrols and i seriously cant tell the difference ... so i decided to go with Optimax because i live near a Shell service station ... i currently have a Bigport 4AGE AE82 ... would anyone here know what would be the best PULP for this engine ??
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ultimate and Optimax are both 98RON , the only difference is that they advertise optimax cleans your engine.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I want Jap 100 Octain. Sad
That would be niiihhhce. Well... it would be nice when I get a better car.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ive head vortex is the best????
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 00:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vortex is the worst of the lot... it's only 95 octane.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 00:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
vortex isnt good stuffs - compared to the others ..

I found my gt4 loved mobil synergy - much much smoother to drive , but we only have optimax here in the country so thats what its fed and still it goes very well ..

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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 01:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Good, cos i use ultimate Razz

Although as i also have a ampol/caltex card, vortex gold is sometimes the only option :S. I saw a sign saying ampol was bringing out a new premium unleaded petrol? I presume it would be 98ron if vortex is 95, might have to give it a try when it comes out
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
my order of preference:

#1 BP Ultimate
#2 Mobil 8000

distant #3 Optimax



far distant #4 Caltex Synergy
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 03:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
my opionion

1 elf fuel 7 dollars a litre

2 ave gas 3 dollars a litre

3 mobil 1 synergie 8000

4 shell optimax

want your car to go better???

put your fuel in the freezer/fridge put it into your car when nearly enpty take it for a drive you will be well suprised!!!!
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 05:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
avgas equates 2 $3 per liter
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not long ago it was 90c a litre direct from bansktown airport
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 05:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Whatever I come across. Nothing less than premium (95RON) though.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It depends on what car you have, and how it is tuned.

What car do you have, and are there any modifications?

Even if not modified, the large majority of cars will benefit from running Optimax/Ultimate. I am in Brisbane so we don't have Synergy or that other one.

Votex is available but it's rubbish, only 95 octane.

Personal choice is BP Ultimate over Optimax but there's no real reason, I just prefer it.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
get some glass jars and pour each fuel into a jar and take a look at it..

vortex is friggen yellow

BP ultimate is a healthy purple Very Happy
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ohh yeah i forgot to mention ... majority of the nissan enthusiest says the best place to get petrol is from a real busy petrol station and not in a real quite station because the petrol loses rons if it just sits der for long ...

i think i will try mobil this week and Bp next week and see which is good for my car ...
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 08:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well whenb i used 2 get avgas 4 my ke20 it was blue from shell and green from mobil
the colour, i suspect is an addative to ensue that its not mistaken as water
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I shall now speak on behalf of everybody in Perth

#1 BP Ultimate

a far far distant #2

Caltex Vortex


That is all that is available

Oh, and we can still get BP Premium at a few servos, wierd huh?
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 25 December 2003 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yes many have a 98 octane rating but only BP garantees thats the rating that comes out the nossle. all other companys only will garantee thats what in goes in at the dip
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 26 December 2003 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I haven't seen BP Premium anywhere, although I generally buy it only in a few places. Beaumaris, South Perth and Margaret River Smile They all have Ultimate Smile

Apparently Optimax is one of the worst for losing its RON while it's sitting.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 26 December 2003 04:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 26 December 2003 12:00

I haven't seen BP Premium anywhere, although I generally buy it only in a few places. Beaumaris, South Perth and Margaret River Smile They all have Ultimate Smile

Apparently Optimax is one of the worst for losing its RON while it's sitting.


ultamite better of BP premiums. its an extra 8c/litre instead of 4cents
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 26 December 2003 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok guys lets sort out some things

optimax and ultimate and mobil synergy etc are not premium unleaded fuels

premium unleaded it 95 RON

ultimate, optimax etc are 98 RON

and u cant compare CALTEX vortex to other 98 ron fuels as vortex is a premium unleaded (95 RON)

and yes its a better idea to get fuel at busy servo's as condensation over time will contaminate the fuel with water

and from what ive gathered optimax is the worst 98 fuel u can get

BP ultimate and Mobil synergy 8000 are the top.....and i can actually vouch that i do feel a difference on my bike with the mobil regular unleaded (91 RON) compared to other fuels.....but dunno about the 95 & 98 fuels....never tried

oh also.....theres really fuk all point of running a higher RON thats spec'ed to your car unless u raise compression ratio really...thats if u wanna do things properly

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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 26 December 2003 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey all,
The only fuel I used is Optimax.
My SA-63 has tried all the 98ron fuel. For some reason Optimax gets better fuel comsuption (9-10l/100km). With other fuel like Synergy and Ultimate the car burns more fuel (12-15L/100km) and Vortex burnt even more.
I use to do more then 1000km per week for 2 months and I had experiemented all the 98ron petrol avaliable to try and maximise the economy for my 2S-C.

All our cars use only optimax.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 26 December 2003 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
faulksy wrote on Fri, 26 December 2003 12:08

justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 26 December 2003 12:00

I haven't seen BP Premium anywhere, although I generally buy it only in a few places. Beaumaris, South Perth and Margaret River Smile They all have Ultimate Smile

Apparently Optimax is one of the worst for losing its RON while it's sitting.


ultamite better of BP premiums. its an extra 8c/litre instead of 4cents


Yeah I know, I just haven't seen any servos selling any BP Premium unleaded, all I've been to have switched over to Ultimate...and its usually 7c a litre more Smile
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 26 December 2003 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okies well i have just been using Ultimate for the last 2 days and i did feel abit of improvement on consumption ... i got about 1/5 more than Optimax and also the car feels more relaxed and smoother ...

in 2 days i will try the Synergy and see how it goes ...

by the way i am doing this expirament on an AE82 local bigport ... so i think it may vary depending on other cars ...
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sat, 27 December 2003 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Thu, 25 December 2003 17:06

get some glass jars and pour each fuel into a jar and take a look at it..

vortex is friggen yellow

BP ultimate is a healthy purple Very Happy



the petrol companies ad colouring so they can distinguish between them dufus.. petrol is naturally colourless
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sat, 27 December 2003 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Use the fuel your car is designed/tuned for.

I only use optimax as my car was specifically tuned to run on optimax.



If you want to read up on another forum site http://www.lextreme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=527& amp;postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 there was a big discussion there on which fuel to use.


Oh, and if you want more milage and better throttle response etc. - do an oil & filter change!
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sat, 27 December 2003 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
exactly what pete said

however i dont agree with the method of advancing ignition timing to raise compression but hey its a start

and also if u want to test out a fuel to see how well your car runs ....u have to use it for a few tanks so your computer can tune to it....THEN u can test it out

and by tune ...all it pretty much does it advance ignition timing

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sat, 27 December 2003 16:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Use the fuel your car is designed/tuned for.

Rubbish.

YOu will notice that MANY standard cars ping as they drive past. A better quality fuel will improve this no end, despite the car being 'tuned' for standard fuel.

Octane is effectively the resistance to knock and therefore will benefit any car that suffers from detonation.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
7M: Who here drives a "standard" car??

If your car is pinging then theres probably other reasons, but sure I agree that a higher octane fuel would reduce it. Run premium if your car is pinging, untill you can get it fixed properly. Standard, well serviced cars won't ping on regular fuel.

"Better quality fuel" is relative. Premium is better for a standard car, but if you start running even better quality fuels like methanol etc. you'll blow something pretty quick as they're not designed to do it.

What I thought this thread was about was which was better of the higher grade fuels (not between regular and premium).


Mani, I'll go one further, and say if your testing other fuels reset your computer (unplug it for a few minutes) so the computer can learn fresh. Again though, do this with your regular fuel first so you can compare it properly.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I like the idea of running Methanol/Ethanol in cars. It's higher octane, doesn't need additives to make it burn more evenly (or rather, IS the additive) like petrol does. It also doesn't impact the environment nearly as badly.

What I wanna know is why there is such a fuss over here about Ethanol in fuel over here? In America, they have E85 (85% Ethanol, 15% Petroleum) and cars that can use E85, normal Petrol, or a mix of the two. And that stuff is something like… 125 octane? Something like that. Although they say you shouldn’t upgrade a car to run on ethanol I’m sure it can be done. New fuel lines, new petrol tank, a fuel mix sensor, new fuel injectors, appropriate computer upgrades and modifications and most modern cars could run on E85.

Stupid Australian Govornment.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ethanol has been proven to fuck up engines and as such, voids warranties if it's found to be used in engines... Thats why we don't like it...

I use Mobil unleaded... I didn't notice anything between Mobil 8000 and normal unleaded except the price... The car ran the same... But as soon as i get it running like it should, then I'll give 8000 a try again and see if I can feel the difference... Or maybe see the difference when the fuel guage drops less over time Smile Smile Smile ... It's running 300kms to a tank at the moment... So I ain't wasting all that 8000 and money...
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well after using Optimax exclusively for 20,000km my injectors needed to be sonically clean again. Other people have had other gripes about Optimax on this forum in the past.

When I spoke with a Toyota parts person he reckoned the spark plugs on his bike kept fouling up using Optimax. But he doesn't have this problem with the Mobil 8000 or BP Ultimate. His preference was with the Mobil 8000 so that was what I ended up sticking with.

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BP Ultimate

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well i better not get in to this discussion, as i work at a BP. All i have to say is yes Ultimate is better than the Premium Unleaded that is supplied by BP, it is still sold at several petrol stations(yes we are petrol stations not service stations, if u want a service station find a mechanic that sell petrol).

I will not comment on the pricing as i am not allowed to talk about it, so don't ask.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rolla Boy wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 12:27

Ethanol has been proven to fuck up engines and as such, voids warranties if it's found to be used in engines... Thats why we don't like it...

Then why are there cars in America that run E85? And why do a lot of sports cars run on Ethanol or Methanol?
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
because they are designed to run on ethanol.....and aus cars are not

i agree ethanol is better....but only in cars that are designed for them.....

what do u mean by sports cars ?

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dont F1 cars run Ethanol or Methanol?

I agree that you need a car that is designed to run on E85. My point is America has them, we do not. There is a South American country that has a lot of cars running on part ethanol petrol too... I forget what country it is.

P.S. Oh yeah, and Ethanol was investigated as an additive for fuel to increase the Octane, but they decided to go with lead instead 'cuz oil companies didn't want to give away such a large proportion of their money to agriculture, or something like that.
Ethanol isn't evil, and 10% Ethanol is apparently better for your engine than premium unleaded, but my sources on that last bit aren't as solid as I would like them to be.

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i dont see why ppl compare race cars and road cars

well for starters F1 engines are probably designed for ethanol

and also F1 engines are rebuilt after each race

and im not saying ethanol is shit im saying its shit for cars that arent designed for it

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
From my undestanding there is nothing wrong with ethanol in regards to emissions or any thing like that, and the fact that they use it extensivly in the US means It won't be long before it gets accepted over here. The problem here is car's fuel lines aren't designed for the stuff and deteriorate. And then the media blew it out of proportion. Crying or Very Sad
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah i hear all this BS about ppl forking out big dollars cause of ethanol damaging their engines on the news....but the only thing ive heard about is that it damages the rubber fuel lines

and in regards to emmisions of ethanol.....dude there's almost like NO bad emmissions

cause theres an oxygen atom in the ethanol it burns ALOT more completely

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Quote:

and in regards to emmisions of ethanol.....dude there's almost like NO bad emmissions

That's what I meant by No emmissions problems.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah i know i was just backing u up ?

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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sorry Mani, Haven't had my coffee this morning. Evil or Very Mad Embarassed Razz Rolling Eyes
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Re: Which Petrol is better Sun, 28 December 2003 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Try Tea its better Razz
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Re: Which Petrol is better Mon, 29 December 2003 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shraka wrote on Thu, 25 December 2003 11:07

I want Jap 100 Octain. Sad
That would be niiihhhce. Well... it would be nice when I get a better car.


optimax will be 101RON in 12 months apparently.

and who is ripping of who here in regards to ethanol? 20L tins cost like $40, but i was getting 5% - 15% in my fuel during this whole 'ethanol crisis' for free...

bring it back i say - i'll upgrade to silicon hoses to take it no worries!
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Re: Which Petrol is better Mon, 29 December 2003 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
New cars should be re-tuned to take more than 10% Ethanol, apparently.

According to a recent study by the Fedoral Govornment 10% Ethanol does not harm old or new engiens. The study seems to have discovered that more than 10% can harm older engines, while they are still trying to figure out what percentage newer cars can handle.

"...all major manufacturers, have indicated that they are quite prepared to warrant the performance of their engines with the ten per cent blends."

Read this on the new 10% Ethanol Cap.
And this on why the cap is bad.

It's shows like Today Tonight that screw it all up for everyone.
Every time I see a news report on Today Tonight or a Current Affair, I instantly think that it must be a lie.

P.S. I am personally against a 10% limit on all fuels. I think the limit should be more complicated than that. I think that petrol stations should have to offer a standard petrol, that has a limit of 10% (if that's Premium or just normal unleaded). But petrol stations should be able to offer an E85 option if they wish.. While this doesn't effect the market at the moment, in a few years time we may see some cars that can run E85 hitting the market if there is an infrastructure for them.

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Re: Which Petrol is better Mon, 29 December 2003 06:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shraka wrote on Mon, 29 December 2003 17:43

Every time I see a news report on Today Tonight or a Current Affair, I instantly think that it must be a lie.


Amen brother.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Mon, 29 December 2003 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
premium and hi-octane fuel

BP Ultimate - 98 RON
BP Premium - 95 RON
Mobil Synergy 8000 - 98 RON
Caltex Vortex Gold (also Ampol Gold) - 96 RON
711 Evolution - 98 RON
Shell Optimax - 98 RON

All of the "New" Fuels promote as being "Cleaning Fuels"
its just coz they have less shit in them
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Re: Which Petrol is better Mon, 29 December 2003 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ae86drift wrote on Mon, 29 December 2003 19:33


711 Evolution - 98 RON


wtf? caltex/ampol supply 711 with fuel.. where do they get this from?
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Re: Which Petrol is better Mon, 29 December 2003 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CamryMan wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 21:34

Well after using Optimax exclusively for 20,000km my injectors needed to be sonically clean again. Other people have had other gripes about Optimax on this forum in the past.

When I spoke with a Toyota parts person he reckoned the spark plugs on his bike kept fouling up using Optimax. But he doesn't have this problem with the Mobil 8000 or BP Ultimate. His preference was with the Mobil 8000 so that was what I ended up sticking with.


My car also runs worse when running optimax, the car feels a lot more sluggish like its choking with optimax. I normally use vortex gold cause i have a caltex near by and it gives me the best response where the engine runs smoother throughout the revs. Shell optimax is also crap on my motorbike, it really feels like the engine is chocking then i put in vortex and its like a new motorbike reving smoothly to 18,000 rpm, i found out shell optimax fouls up most motorbike's spark plugs and there was a media release warning motorbike owners on using optimax. I will have to try BP & Mobil and see how i go. Smile

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Vortex is 95 RON not 96 as someone stated..
Vortex does NOT have Ethanol in is nore does any of CALTEX fuels and it does on the pumps say these words.

CALTEX FUELS CONTAINS NO ETHANOL AND IS 100% CALTEX CONTROLED

Vortex WILL be in 98 RON in the next six months

I know this as i own a CALTEX x3

As for the 03 WRX well unfortunatley Caltex is not upto the Subaru requiremnets as its not enough octane but will not hurt it if only a couple of tanks were used.. 02 WRX and before unless you have aftermarket ECUs there is no benefit of using a higher octane fuel.. we have done many a tests on this and proven it will do nothing for the power of the car... Most people will notice a more responsive and smoother driving but that has nothing to do with the OCTANE rating. more to do with the addtives added to the fuel..

i have an 02 WRX making 170+ kw@wheels and use VORTEX with no problems.. next month i will be getting it retuned as i have put a GT400 turbo (previously had a VF22) so i am hoping for over 180kw@4wheels and still will be tuned with VORTEX 95 RON fuel

Dont be fooled by OCTANE ratings.. Power and drivablilty has more to do with the make up of the fuel rather then OCTANE.. Shell has done a great job in making people believe OCTANE is the be all of power

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icon1.gif  Re: Which Petrol is better Mon, 29 December 2003 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
This had been brought up a few times on these forums (and the old ones) so do a search, there were some really, really educated responses (ie: from chemical engineers who'd analysed the fuels and engine builders who'd stripped down engines running on them).

From what I remember was that BP Ultimate was the best with Mobil Synergy a close second.
Shell Optimax left residues inside the engines and also didn't keep its octane as well as the others.

On the flip side, Optimax is everywhere and now you can get 4c/L off using Coles dockets. Smile

As for using higher octane fuels, only look for power increases if your car is tuned to use the fuel.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Thu, 01 January 2004 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
What about normal Shell Petrol?

This may just be my imagination, but I chucked some shell unleaded in my Lancer and noticed the car seemed "unhappy" (could have just been hot weather also). Anyway, then when it got low again, I chucked in some BP Ultimate. Right away the car got happy again. It feels more powerful low in the revs (not so much up high) and I have DEFINITELY noticed that a bubbling kind of sound I always used to get when opening the throttle all the way down low in the revs has gone away completely now.

I'm gonna keep a close eye on performance and fuel consumption, then try some other petrols once this tank is empty, including some different low Octane fuels and see if the bubbling sound comes back and stuff.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 02 January 2004 00:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
as a VERY generalised statement, ive noticed that burbling sound through the exhaust indicates a rich mix

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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 02 January 2004 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I use bp ultimax, and ive seen a dramatic difference in both economy and performance.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 02 January 2004 02:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I probably need my carby re-built. In fact, I'm fairly sure I do.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 02 January 2004 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Happy new year all!
The Octane rating is what you all need to check out before puting any fuel into your car nowdays.
normal unleaded 91
LRP 93-95
Premium-95-98
I have noticed that BP has the lowest octane premium at only 95. A rip off at the same price as 98 elswhere.
Caltex, shell(optimax) and Ampol are 98.
The higher the octane the less pinging you get, better power and economy. I will only run my MA61 on Premium or LRP. I always rip into my girl if she puts ULP in her TX5.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 02 January 2004 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BP Ultimate is 98 Octane. It sais it right there on the pump.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 02 January 2004 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
there were MANY things wrong with that post
only thing he got right was the regular unleaded is 91 RON

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I thought "Premium" was all 95 Octane. And that anything higher than that isn't called Premium. ie, BP Ultimate, Mobil Synergy 8000, Shell Optimax.
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Re: Which Petrol is better Fri, 02 January 2004 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thats correct.....premium is 95 RON

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http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/ethanol/
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