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Location: Blacktown, Sydney
Registered: December 2003
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Which Petrol is better
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Wed, 24 December 2003 16:04
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okies guyz i have just finished reading a debate on a nissan forum about which Premium Unleaded Petrol is better for your car .... the arguement was pretty long and everyone seems to have different point of views ... some said that "Shell optimax" was good but alot of people disagreed and said that Optimax was the worst ... majority of the people said that "Mobil Synergy 8000" was to use with "BP Ultimate" being 2nd favourite ... now this got me wondering because i have been using "Shell Optimax" for quite sometime now and honestly i have tried different petrols and i seriously cant tell the difference ... so i decided to go with Optimax because i live near a Shell service station ... i currently have a Bigport 4AGE AE82 ... would anyone here know what would be the best PULP for this engine ??
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Location: The Eastwood MASSIVE !
Registered: May 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 00:01
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Ultimate and Optimax are both 98RON , the only difference is that they advertise optimax cleans your engine.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 00:07
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I want Jap 100 Octain.
That would be niiihhhce. Well... it would be nice when I get a better car.
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Location: Camden, NSW
Registered: June 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 00:13
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ive head vortex is the best????
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Location: Wollongong
Registered: May 2002
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Thu, 25 December 2003 00:28
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Vortex is the worst of the lot... it's only 95 octane.
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Thu, 25 December 2003 00:30
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vortex isnt good stuffs - compared to the others ..
I found my gt4 loved mobil synergy - much much smoother to drive , but we only have optimax here in the country so thats what its fed and still it goes very well ..
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Location: Camden, NSW
Registered: June 2002
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Thu, 25 December 2003 01:53
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Good, cos i use ultimate
Although as i also have a ampol/caltex card, vortex gold is sometimes the only option :S. I saw a sign saying ampol was bringing out a new premium unleaded petrol? I presume it would be 98ron if vortex is 95, might have to give it a try when it comes out
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Location: Lost in the K hole
Registered: May 2002
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Thu, 25 December 2003 02:52
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my order of preference:
#1 BP Ultimate
#2 Mobil 8000
distant #3 Optimax
far distant #4 Caltex Synergy
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Location: ghetto area 2745
Registered: November 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 03:55
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my opionion
1 elf fuel 7 dollars a litre
2 ave gas 3 dollars a litre
3 mobil 1 synergie 8000
4 shell optimax
want your car to go better???
put your fuel in the freezer/fridge put it into your car when nearly enpty take it for a drive you will be well suprised!!!!
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2003
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Thu, 25 December 2003 05:10
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avgas equates 2 $3 per liter
sheesh
not long ago it was 90c a litre direct from bansktown airport
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Location: Sydney
Registered: December 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 05:18
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Whatever I come across. Nothing less than premium (95RON) though.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: November 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 05:48
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It depends on what car you have, and how it is tuned.
What car do you have, and are there any modifications?
Even if not modified, the large majority of cars will benefit from running Optimax/Ultimate. I am in Brisbane so we don't have Synergy or that other one.
Votex is available but it's rubbish, only 95 octane.
Personal choice is BP Ultimate over Optimax but there's no real reason, I just prefer it.
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Banned user
Location: ADELAIDE - The Drift City
Registered: July 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 06:06
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get some glass jars and pour each fuel into a jar and take a look at it..
vortex is friggen yellow
BP ultimate is a healthy purple
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Location: Blacktown, Sydney
Registered: December 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 06:47
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ohh yeah i forgot to mention ... majority of the nissan enthusiest says the best place to get petrol is from a real busy petrol station and not in a real quite station because the petrol loses rons if it just sits der for long ...
i think i will try mobil this week and Bp next week and see which is good for my car ...
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2003
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Thu, 25 December 2003 08:03
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well whenb i used 2 get avgas 4 my ke20 it was blue from shell and green from mobil
the colour, i suspect is an addative to ensue that its not mistaken as water
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I supported Toymods
Location: Australia
Registered: November 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Thu, 25 December 2003 13:16
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I shall now speak on behalf of everybody in Perth
#1 BP Ultimate
a far far distant #2
Caltex Vortex
That is all that is available
Oh, and we can still get BP Premium at a few servos, wierd huh?
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: May 2002
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Thu, 25 December 2003 23:16
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yes many have a 98 octane rating but only BP garantees thats the rating that comes out the nossle. all other companys only will garantee thats what in goes in at the dip
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I supported Toymods
Location: Perth
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Fri, 26 December 2003 01:30
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I haven't seen BP Premium anywhere, although I generally buy it only in a few places. Beaumaris, South Perth and Margaret River They all have Ultimate
Apparently Optimax is one of the worst for losing its RON while it's sitting.
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: May 2002
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Fri, 26 December 2003 04:08
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justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 26 December 2003 12:00 | I haven't seen BP Premium anywhere, although I generally buy it only in a few places. Beaumaris, South Perth and Margaret River They all have Ultimate
Apparently Optimax is one of the worst for losing its RON while it's sitting.
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ultamite better of BP premiums. its an extra 8c/litre instead of 4cents
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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I Supported Toymods
Location: melbourne.vic.au
Registered: May 2002
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Fri, 26 December 2003 10:34
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Hey all,
The only fuel I used is Optimax.
My SA-63 has tried all the 98ron fuel. For some reason Optimax gets better fuel comsuption (9-10l/100km). With other fuel like Synergy and Ultimate the car burns more fuel (12-15L/100km) and Vortex burnt even more.
I use to do more then 1000km per week for 2 months and I had experiemented all the 98ron petrol avaliable to try and maximise the economy for my 2S-C.
All our cars use only optimax.
Cheers
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I supported Toymods
Location: Perth
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Fri, 26 December 2003 11:26
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faulksy wrote on Fri, 26 December 2003 12:08 |
justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 26 December 2003 12:00 | I haven't seen BP Premium anywhere, although I generally buy it only in a few places. Beaumaris, South Perth and Margaret River They all have Ultimate
Apparently Optimax is one of the worst for losing its RON while it's sitting.
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ultamite better of BP premiums. its an extra 8c/litre instead of 4cents
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Yeah I know, I just haven't seen any servos selling any BP Premium unleaded, all I've been to have switched over to Ultimate...and its usually 7c a litre more
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Location: Blacktown, Sydney
Registered: December 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Fri, 26 December 2003 13:25
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okies well i have just been using Ultimate for the last 2 days and i did feel abit of improvement on consumption ... i got about 1/5 more than Optimax and also the car feels more relaxed and smoother ...
in 2 days i will try the Synergy and see how it goes ...
by the way i am doing this expirament on an AE82 local bigport ... so i think it may vary depending on other cars ...
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Registered: March 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Sat, 27 December 2003 04:48
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Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Thu, 25 December 2003 17:06 | get some glass jars and pour each fuel into a jar and take a look at it..
vortex is friggen yellow
BP ultimate is a healthy purple
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the petrol companies ad colouring so they can distinguish between them dufus.. petrol is naturally colourless
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Location: Sydney
Registered: July 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Sat, 27 December 2003 06:42
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Use the fuel your car is designed/tuned for.
I only use optimax as my car was specifically tuned to run on optimax.
If you want to read up on another forum site http://www.lextreme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=527& amp;postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 there was a big discussion there on which fuel to use.
Oh, and if you want more milage and better throttle response etc. - do an oil & filter change!
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Sat, 27 December 2003 06:55
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exactly what pete said
however i dont agree with the method of advancing ignition timing to raise compression but hey its a start
and also if u want to test out a fuel to see how well your car runs ....u have to use it for a few tanks so your computer can tune to it....THEN u can test it out
and by tune ...all it pretty much does it advance ignition timing
Ta
Mani
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: November 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Sat, 27 December 2003 16:59
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Use the fuel your car is designed/tuned for.
Rubbish.
YOu will notice that MANY standard cars ping as they drive past. A better quality fuel will improve this no end, despite the car being 'tuned' for standard fuel.
Octane is effectively the resistance to knock and therefore will benefit any car that suffers from detonation.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: July 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Sun, 28 December 2003 00:24
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7M: Who here drives a "standard" car??
If your car is pinging then theres probably other reasons, but sure I agree that a higher octane fuel would reduce it. Run premium if your car is pinging, untill you can get it fixed properly. Standard, well serviced cars won't ping on regular fuel.
"Better quality fuel" is relative. Premium is better for a standard car, but if you start running even better quality fuels like methanol etc. you'll blow something pretty quick as they're not designed to do it.
What I thought this thread was about was which was better of the higher grade fuels (not between regular and premium).
Mani, I'll go one further, and say if your testing other fuels reset your computer (unplug it for a few minutes) so the computer can learn fresh. Again though, do this with your regular fuel first so you can compare it properly.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Sun, 28 December 2003 00:35
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I like the idea of running Methanol/Ethanol in cars. It's higher octane, doesn't need additives to make it burn more evenly (or rather, IS the additive) like petrol does. It also doesn't impact the environment nearly as badly.
What I wanna know is why there is such a fuss over here about Ethanol in fuel over here? In America, they have E85 (85% Ethanol, 15% Petroleum) and cars that can use E85, normal Petrol, or a mix of the two. And that stuff is something like… 125 octane? Something like that. Although they say you shouldn’t upgrade a car to run on ethanol I’m sure it can be done. New fuel lines, new petrol tank, a fuel mix sensor, new fuel injectors, appropriate computer upgrades and modifications and most modern cars could run on E85.
Stupid Australian Govornment.
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Club Member
Location: Sydney, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 01:27
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Ethanol has been proven to fuck up engines and as such, voids warranties if it's found to be used in engines... Thats why we don't like it...
I use Mobil unleaded... I didn't notice anything between Mobil 8000 and normal unleaded except the price... The car ran the same... But as soon as i get it running like it should, then I'll give 8000 a try again and see if I can feel the difference... Or maybe see the difference when the fuel guage drops less over time ... It's running 300kms to a tank at the moment... So I ain't wasting all that 8000 and money...
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Registered: May 2002
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I supported Toymods
Location: sydney.au
Registered: August 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Sun, 28 December 2003 11:10
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BP Ultimate
only.
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Location: Wahroonga
Registered: June 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Sun, 28 December 2003 11:21
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Well i better not get in to this discussion, as i work at a BP. All i have to say is yes Ultimate is better than the Premium Unleaded that is supplied by BP, it is still sold at several petrol stations(yes we are petrol stations not service stations, if u want a service station find a mechanic that sell petrol).
I will not comment on the pricing as i am not allowed to talk about it, so don't ask.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Sun, 28 December 2003 14:18
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Rolla Boy wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 12:27 | Ethanol has been proven to fuck up engines and as such, voids warranties if it's found to be used in engines... Thats why we don't like it...
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Then why are there cars in America that run E85? And why do a lot of sports cars run on Ethanol or Methanol?
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 14:39
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because they are designed to run on ethanol.....and aus cars are not
i agree ethanol is better....but only in cars that are designed for them.....
what do u mean by sports cars ?
Ta
Mani
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Sun, 28 December 2003 14:47
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i dont see why ppl compare race cars and road cars
well for starters F1 engines are probably designed for ethanol
and also F1 engines are rebuilt after each race
and im not saying ethanol is shit im saying its shit for cars that arent designed for it
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Location: Northwestern Sydney
Registered: August 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 20:17
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From my undestanding there is nothing wrong with ethanol in regards to emissions or any thing like that, and the fact that they use it extensivly in the US means It won't be long before it gets accepted over here. The problem here is car's fuel lines aren't designed for the stuff and deteriorate. And then the media blew it out of proportion.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 22:33
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yeah i hear all this BS about ppl forking out big dollars cause of ethanol damaging their engines on the news....but the only thing ive heard about is that it damages the rubber fuel lines
and in regards to emmisions of ethanol.....dude there's almost like NO bad emmissions
cause theres an oxygen atom in the ethanol it burns ALOT more completely
Ta
Mani
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Location: Northwestern Sydney
Registered: August 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 22:35
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Quote: | and in regards to emmisions of ethanol.....dude there's almost like NO bad emmissions
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That's what I meant by No emmissions problems.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 22:37
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yeah i know i was just backing u up ?
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Location: Northwestern Sydney
Registered: August 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 22:38
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Sorry Mani, Haven't had my coffee this morning.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Sun, 28 December 2003 22:41
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Try Tea its better
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Location: Perth
Registered: September 2003
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Mon, 29 December 2003 05:54
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Shraka wrote on Thu, 25 December 2003 11:07 | I want Jap 100 Octain.
That would be niiihhhce. Well... it would be nice when I get a better car.
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optimax will be 101RON in 12 months apparently.
and who is ripping of who here in regards to ethanol? 20L tins cost like $40, but i was getting 5% - 15% in my fuel during this whole 'ethanol crisis' for free...
bring it back i say - i'll upgrade to silicon hoses to take it no worries!
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Registered: March 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Mon, 29 December 2003 06:50
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Shraka wrote on Mon, 29 December 2003 17:43 | Every time I see a news report on Today Tonight or a Current Affair, I instantly think that it must be a lie.
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Amen brother.
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I supported Toymods
Location: sydney.au
Registered: August 2002
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Mon, 29 December 2003 08:33
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premium and hi-octane fuel
BP Ultimate - 98 RON
BP Premium - 95 RON
Mobil Synergy 8000 - 98 RON
Caltex Vortex Gold (also Ampol Gold) - 96 RON
711 Evolution - 98 RON
Shell Optimax - 98 RON
All of the "New" Fuels promote as being "Cleaning Fuels"
its just coz they have less shit in them
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Registered: March 2003
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Mon, 29 December 2003 08:39
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ae86drift wrote on Mon, 29 December 2003 19:33 |
711 Evolution - 98 RON
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wtf? caltex/ampol supply 711 with fuel.. where do they get this from?
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Location: Sydney
Registered: September 2003
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Mon, 29 December 2003 13:16
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This had been brought up a few times on these forums (and the old ones) so do a search, there were some really, really educated responses (ie: from chemical engineers who'd analysed the fuels and engine builders who'd stripped down engines running on them).
From what I remember was that BP Ultimate was the best with Mobil Synergy a close second.
Shell Optimax left residues inside the engines and also didn't keep its octane as well as the others.
On the flip side, Optimax is everywhere and now you can get 4c/L off using Coles dockets.
As for using higher octane fuels, only look for power increases if your car is tuned to use the fuel.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Thu, 01 January 2004 15:28
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What about normal Shell Petrol?
This may just be my imagination, but I chucked some shell unleaded in my Lancer and noticed the car seemed "unhappy" (could have just been hot weather also). Anyway, then when it got low again, I chucked in some BP Ultimate. Right away the car got happy again. It feels more powerful low in the revs (not so much up high) and I have DEFINITELY noticed that a bubbling kind of sound I always used to get when opening the throttle all the way down low in the revs has gone away completely now.
I'm gonna keep a close eye on performance and fuel consumption, then try some other petrols once this tank is empty, including some different low Octane fuels and see if the bubbling sound comes back and stuff.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Fri, 02 January 2004 00:20
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as a VERY generalised statement, ive noticed that burbling sound through the exhaust indicates a rich mix
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2003
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Fri, 02 January 2004 00:54
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I use bp ultimax, and ive seen a dramatic difference in both economy and performance.
Blake
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Fri, 02 January 2004 02:48
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I probably need my carby re-built. In fact, I'm fairly sure I do.
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Location: Canterbury, Sydney
Registered: March 2003
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Fri, 02 January 2004 07:13
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Happy new year all!
The Octane rating is what you all need to check out before puting any fuel into your car nowdays.
normal unleaded 91
LRP 93-95
Premium-95-98
I have noticed that BP has the lowest octane premium at only 95. A rip off at the same price as 98 elswhere.
Caltex, shell(optimax) and Ampol are 98.
The higher the octane the less pinging you get, better power and economy. I will only run my MA61 on Premium or LRP. I always rip into my girl if she puts ULP in her TX5.
ant
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Fri, 02 January 2004 13:38
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BP Ultimate is 98 Octane. It sais it right there on the pump.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: November 2003
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Re: Which Petrol is better
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Fri, 02 January 2004 14:39
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I thought "Premium" was all 95 Octane. And that anything higher than that isn't called Premium. ie, BP Ultimate, Mobil Synergy 8000, Shell Optimax.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Fri, 02 January 2004 15:40
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thats correct.....premium is 95 RON
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Location: Lost in the K hole
Registered: May 2002
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