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Sun, 28 December 2003 09:34
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Hi people,you have probably heard this a million and one times but i would like to get a TRUENO,I love the look of them plus their driveability potential(i saw [TAKUMI] driving in homebush and i fell in love with them) I had been in a mates sprinter with a 20V 4age and i was impressed but did not like the look of the non pop up head lights(aus spec) i had seen photos of the JDM version(like takumi's) and was always fond but seeing JDM spec with the panda paint pushed me over the edge wanting to build one!
Now i have a few questions to ask.
Would it be possible to get JDM spec trueno if so how much or would it be better to get a aus spec model(4ac engined and non pop up lights)then convert it to JDM spec if so how much could i pick up a aus spec model and also how much would the front(JDM front) conversion set me back. Plus would 20V 4AGE be the way to go or 4AGZE be the way to go if so how much would this whole package end up setting me back? I am weighing up whether or not it's worth to get the Sprinter/trueno and build it slowly as i save money or save up and get something else?
I have put much thought into this and just need some advice from the people in the know.
Also what type of diff,drivetrain adjustments would need to be made once engine conversion has taken place.?
Sorry for the long post but I am just weighing up my options or alternatively buy a ready done TRUENO(saw one for 8k advertised on here  )
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Sun, 28 December 2003 10:52
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firstly, whats the main reason you want this car? drags, showoff? driving fun? its only good for the latter
its NOT a fast car, ill repeat NOT fast
its a fun and nimble to drive but you will get "smoked" unless you do a "kickass" engine conversion for straight line speed (ie. 1G-GTE or other turbo conversion) but then if you do that, you need to d a gearbox and diff and suspension and the rest
my car so far cost me 12-13k onroad, lots but worth every cent in my opinion
its a JDM trueno (http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=24094&rid=964&S=91f931e04eda8bd25d199186 5596d322)
an aus spec equivalent is about the same price for all the good bits (engine, disc brake and lsd, then the aftermarket parts)
its a good quick little car, but i didn't buy it to "race" it at the red light grand prix....
oh and also, paragraphs and punctuation are a good thing
[Updated on: Sun, 28 December 2003 10:55]
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Sun, 28 December 2003 11:28
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| ae86drift wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 21:52 |
firstly, whats the main reason you want this car? drags, showoff? driving fun? its only good for the latter
its NOT a fast car, ill repeat NOT fast
its a fun and nimble to drive but you will get "smoked" unless you do a "kickass" engine conversion for straight line speed (ie. 1G-GTE or other turbo conversion) but then if you do that, you need to d a gearbox and diff and suspension and the rest
my car so far cost me 12-13k onroad, lots but worth every cent in my opinion
its a JDM trueno (http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=24094&rid=964&S=91f931e04eda8bd25d199186 5596d322)
an aus spec equivalent is about the same price for all the good bits (engine, disc brake and lsd, then the aftermarket parts)
its a good quick little car, but i didn't buy it to "race" it at the red light grand prix....
oh and also, paragraphs and punctuation are a good thing
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I see well I just a Reliable,stylish looking car that handles well and can take a nice thrashing every now and then but still be reliable! I am not after rediculous amounts of power and Power steering/fuel injection is a must So the 4Age 20V would be going in or alternatively the 4agze did any of the trueno/sprinters come with power steering?
You trueno looks nice that's the one i am after but i will then paint it in the panda decal paint.
I am not after a race car though i would like to take it to the track every now and then...
I will give you the list of what i want from the car (specs)
Power steering
Fuel injected engine ( 20V 4age)
I would like it engineered also (engineers certificate for new engine)
JDM front like yours(http://www.crayonline.com/trueno/trueno0006.jpg)
Panda decals
Some sort of nice looking wheels(Much like yours and they must be black)
Bigger brakes to accomidate with the new engine)
Retrim with some better seats(most likely buckets)
throttle bodies
sport exhaust
cams
forged pistons
heavy duty clutch
Some stereo(speakers,deck and one 10" sub)
tidying of the engine bay and that about sums up what i want from the car...
I want JDM trueno or the aus spec but JDM conversion..
How much would this set me back to do? I would like a realistic price as i will need to budget for this...
Thanks for your help and yes i know paragraphs would be nice  
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Sun, 28 December 2003 11:43
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this is a bit off topic, but what would you be using this car for? Cruising, track use, daily etc...
Because when your in the drivers seat you won't be able to tell easily if its a sprinter or a trueno unless you have the lights up.
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Sun, 28 December 2003 11:56
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| Intensevil wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 22:43 |
this is a bit off topic, but what would you be using this car for? Cruising, track use, daily etc...
Because when your in the drivers seat you won't be able to tell easily if its a sprinter or a trueno unless you have the lights up.
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All three.... Daily driven,going out on cruises etc and the occasional track day(once in a blue moon,but i want it to be able to be able to take it to the track)
I Want the Trueno and not the sprinter as i do not like the look of the sprinter  Sorry to say....
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Sun, 28 December 2003 14:27
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for that list of shit
at LEAST 20 000
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Sun, 28 December 2003 17:29
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| exqzit wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 22:56 |
I Want the Trueno and not the sprinter as i do not like the look of the sprinter Sorry to say....
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A Trueno is called a sprinter 
Well everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But just as a warning, trueno's in australia are hard to come by. Importing panels from japan are equally as hard. If not, there will be heaps of em on the road.
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Sun, 28 December 2003 22:58
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omg
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Mon, 29 December 2003 01:20
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| Steve-AE86 wrote on Mon, 29 December 2003 09:58 |
omg
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Mon, 29 December 2003 09:22
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mmm i love my stocker engine with max suspension mods
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Mon, 29 December 2003 09:35
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hehe.. I reckon..
ae86s are renouned for their handling, and not for straight line speeds.
And in that respect, why would you chuck in a ze and no suspension work.
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Mon, 29 December 2003 09:59
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so you can be like this guy
DENIED!
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Mon, 29 December 2003 10:06
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hahahahah thats an owned picture if i ever saw one
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Mon, 29 December 2003 15:19
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| shcao wrote on Mon, 29 December 2003 14:34 |
Why do a lot of 86 newbies always want
4agze for sick power or a 20v(these engine conversions aint cheap),
powersteering, re trimmed interior. (so it could be comfortable like a new car).
And has to be a panda trueno.... Will not accept anything less.
They never mention wanting suspension work, or LSDs either.
And not always, but a lot get the shock of their life when they find out how much one of these are
makes you wonder.
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I came on here asking for help and retards like you try to mock me  Damn!
I don't really car about the panda decals i just want it to look slick and drive the way i want it to!
Since Power steering is a must for me i think i will head over to nissan or possibly mitsubishi for a newer car with the specs i am after!
Most likely i will drive away with a 200sx or a silvia...
Thanks to everyone who shed helpfull information on to the others who tried to mock!
I have nothing to say but you have no respect from me!
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Mon, 29 December 2003 21:25
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wasn't really a blatant mock tho....
hey, did you check out that panda trueno for sale in melbourne at the moment tho.
I think the car had a full GT APEX front cut, as it has powersteering, jap spec gear box, and a 4age complete with air con..
for $8k. I think it's darn good value.
Chuck in a whiteline suspension package and a custom LSD, and away you go.
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Tue, 30 December 2003 01:21
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Since Power steering is a must for me i think i will head over to nissan or possibly mitsubishi for a newer car with the specs i am after!
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i used to be like you, share the same opinion that power steering was a must, but i have found, whilst my car i harder to steer in carparks and such, it is better to be without powersteering. Infact, at greater speeds, such as you would find on the racetrack or highway, the steering input has far greater accuracy without the use of assisted steering. Now, i understand you may be concerned if you can actually physically drive a car with no power steering, due to your strength or size. i am not a large, or even medium build person, but i can still drive with little effort. In the frst week my back and arms were sore, but now they are fine.
hat im trying to say is, you dont need to have powersteering to drive well, infact, most racing cars do not have power assist steering for the reasons i mention above.
take it as you may, but if you willing to do a little work and make a few "comfort" sacrifices, i believe you may get what you are asking for with an ae86.
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Tue, 30 December 2003 01:39
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No powersteering can be a godsend some times because the wheel is directly linked to the road. This means you can feel the road and get a much better sense. Not only that but it will also beef up your arms.
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Tue, 30 December 2003 04:40
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Yeah, no power steering on an ae86 is tolarable when you are actually driving on the road...
Anything above 35kms was a breeze. And nothing wrong with having big pectorials from all those parking lot workouts
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Tue, 30 December 2003 05:06
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| ae86drift wrote on Tue, 30 December 2003 12:21 |
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Since Power steering is a must for me i think i will head over to nissan or possibly mitsubishi for a newer car with the specs i am after!
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i used to be like you, share the same opinion that power steering was a must, but i have found, whilst my car i harder to steer in carparks and such, it is better to be without powersteering. Infact, at greater speeds, such as you would find on the racetrack or highway, the steering input has far greater accuracy without the use of assisted steering. Now, i understand you may be concerned if you can actually physically drive a car with no power steering, due to your strength or size. i am not a large, or even medium build person, but i can still drive with little effort. In the frst week my back and arms were sore, but now they are fine.
hat im trying to say is, you dont need to have powersteering to drive well, infact, most racing cars do not have power assist steering for the reasons i mention above.
take it as you may, but if you willing to do a little work and make a few "comfort" sacrifices, i believe you may get what you are asking for with an ae86.
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It's not that i am small or weak or anything like that i just figured as technology progresses so should i( a little keep up with the small creature comforts) my first car was a KE10 Rolla so i know what it is like to drive without power steering! nice but can be annoying at times.....
I was just considering a upgrade in the bare comforts provided by todays technology!?
Thanks for everyones change in assistance!
I have not seen the trueno/sprinter in melbourne? links/pics?
I am in sydney so if it's worth going up to melbourne to check out then definately!
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Tue, 30 December 2003 06:01
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Your talking about a 20 year old car and todays technology...
You can have the best of both worlds but it will require a lot of searching and possibly a big bank acount too.
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Wed, 31 December 2003 00:24
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| exqzit wrote on Sun, 28 December 2003 20:34 |
Would it be possible to get JDM spec trueno if so how much or would it be better to get a aus spec model(4ac engined and non pop up lights)then convert it to JDM spec if so how much could i pick up a aus spec model and also how much would the front(JDM front) conversion set me back. Plus would 20V 4AGE be the way to go or 4AGZE be the way to go if so how much would this whole package end up setting me back? I am weighing up whether or not it's worth to get the Sprinter/trueno and build it slowly as i save money or save up and get something else?
I have put much thought into this and just need some advice from the people in the know.
Also what type of diff,drivetrain adjustments would need to be made once engine conversion has taken place.?
Sorry for the long post but I am just weighing up my options or alternatively buy a ready done TRUENO(saw one for 8k advertised on here )
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Plain and simply, the easiest option is to find an ae86 with mostly everything done. This will save you a HELLA alot of hassles seeing as you have a desired outcome and an imagination of what you want. Getting an AE86 to a reasaonable level requires alot of work, and money + time, as i have experienced and i stress the word 'reasonable'...
'TAKUMI' aka. Ben, has had ALOT of work done to it, and if you asked him, I'm sure he wouldn't want to do it again, as the time and hassle he went thru just to put the front end on is as much work as a project in itself. Mind you, it was formerly an Aus-spec sprinter with fixed headlight front and rust owned by his Aunt! In my opinion there is well over 30K into that car, possibly 35, so unless you wanna go that way, I'd advise you to stick with one that's already done or start praying for next year's Christmas bonus.
OR there is AE86drift's route of importing, which will cost you well into the 'teen's' for a decent one. But of course, there are risks and procedures, and the underlying restraint of modifying it your own way.
If you ask me, doing it all yourself is a good way of learning and finding joy from the car, but in the long run, you WILL lose out if you crash/sell it, and the time put into it is just NOT worth it, unless you have the dosh to match the time you want it all done in. The AE86 is a passion, and only a few can really get what they really want and enjoy it for a long time, many owners i know have sold their pride and joy due to frustration of the age of the car, and the trouble it carries. But don't get me wrong, starting from scratch is a great way to go, but be prepared for the time and effort. So unless you have around 25K (for the list of things you supplied) or you are expecting to put that much into it, then don't go throught the hardship, just be patient.
After owning my ride and putting every sweat into it, the long hours and late nights, I'm still not satisfied and i don't think that i ever will be due to the limitations of time and money. This has been realised after recently purchasing other cars in the name of late Nissans, where all the work is done for you from the factory - ie. power options/drivetrain. The satisfaction is already there from the 'bang for your buck' without the hassles of breaking down and getting the car to be 'up to date with technology'.
Be patient and happy drifting~!
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=25142&rid=2053&S=b78796a3f2b904c82ead528 4e922956b
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Thu, 01 January 2004 14:00
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that was really well said audioslaver
When I was first drawn to the ae86(few years back), I thought that it was a CHEAP, Cool lookin, well performaing, and reliable (cause it's a toyota) vehicle. NONE OF IT WAS TRUE!!! (hehe, thought I could pick up a JDM trueno for less than 3k).
Didn't expect it to be like 25k for the one I had in mind!
As you said, it really is a car for the enthusiast and passionate.
Because really, you are going to find way better value for money in other sports machines. A silvia k represents at least half the price of an ae86 equivalent(restored and running sweetly), and all in the while, is a newer, plusher, car.
For the cost of a fully worked trueno to the level that exqzit was describing, I'd buy a 99 model 200sx ANY DAY. No second guessing.
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Fri, 02 January 2004 07:18
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a bit OT but how much would it be for an aus-spec sprinter mainly for use as a daily drver but also for a bit of fun
thats the main reason ive been looking at the sprinter lately i want a decent car thats fun to drive
what extra cost would i have to put in if i bought one today that already had slight suspension mods and a 4age conversion (obviously try to remove rust first)
but im just looking at the moment trying to get an idea of what kinda car i want
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Fri, 02 January 2004 14:59
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for a rust free (most of the times freshly painted), 4age powered sprinter with slight suspension mods, maybe about 6-7k...
rock on.
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Mon, 05 January 2004 04:45
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For a daily runabout, you wouldn't want to pay more than 5K. If you were gonna just use it as a daily basher, I'd stick to a 4AC powered 86, with slight mods eg. suspension/interior work. Although these engines are underpowered and have no guts, they are a great balance to learn how to drive the ae86 without thinking your Takumi takin a corner without spillin some splash outta a cup while hangin the ass out~!
The 4AC is perfect for city driving, economical and good heartless fun.
If your mainly after a 4AG, you'd find that more work is involved hence the price cap of around 4-8K. eg. exhaust, fuel system, brakes and obviously the engine. It's just your choice of either performing these mods yourself, or saving enough dosh to buy one that is already done. Patience vs. What's in your pocket i guess
These forums are your best bet in finding one, and the odd one might come up in the trader, so it's just a matter of lining up and pushing in if need be!
Happy drifting.
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:34
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>sniffs< i smell smoke oh boy man u betta put a flame suit on
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Re: TRUENO HELP
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Wed, 07 January 2004 09:23
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god, please ban him.
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