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early to mid 80's Celica's
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Mon, 29 December 2003 11:19
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Hi all,
You will have to forgive me if I ask something stupid cause my interest in cars is a new found one and I'm still learning. Anyway.
I have been looking around for a first car and I have come across a few options including sprinters, exa's and rx7's. all of these cars have been fairly easy to find info on ( this forum was especially good with the sprinters) but there is one car I couldn't find much on at all. the early and mid 80's celica's and I figured that this would be the best place to ask so my questions are:
1) what are the actual specs of these cars ( I assume there would be more than one model)
2) are there any prominent pro's or cons to the cars
and 3) is there anything I should particularly look out for when buying one (this question also applies to the sprinters if anyone can help me out with that to it would be much appreciated)
Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me out,
phrenzy
P.S I hope this was the right section to post under.
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Re: early to mid 80's Celica's
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Mon, 29 December 2003 11:30
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oh yeah, if anyone has any other ideas for a good first car please let me know 
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Ballarat, Victoria
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Re: early to mid 80's Celica's
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Mon, 29 December 2003 12:09
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1978-1980 was the RA40.... like this:
1981-1983 was the RA60.... like this:
1983-1984 was the RA65 and the SA63.... they looked like the ra60, but with popup headlights and different tailights...:
1985-1988 was the ST162..... like this:
i dont really know a lot about the ra40s.... they had a 2 litre 4 cylinder, the 18R-C, 0-100 in around 12 i think.
ive got an RA60 for sale in the for sale section, its a 2 litre 5 speed manual.... so maybe you could have a look there, lots of specs n stuff.
the ra65 was a 2.4 EFi car, with IRS and a few minor changes. the sa63 was the same except with a 2 litre 2S-C carburretted engine. my mate has an sa63 and has battered the shit out of it, and it still runs really well, quicker than an RA60, and handles better too....
all these celicas were rear wheel drive.
the ST162 was front wheel drive but had the 3S-GE engine in them, a sports-angled twin cam. they went fairly hard, around 100kw at the flywheel (i think?) and 0-100 in about 8.6 or something....
from my experience the celica outhandles and outbreaks a lot of other cars on the road from its era... and even later model family barges. they arent very fast, but hey, they look a lot better than something like a cordia or exa, in my opinion.
things to watch out for- rust, in the hatches especially, perhaps a buggered radiator, in the st162s, the synchros from 2nd to 3rd go silly easily....
i dunno, i hope someone else steps in and gives a bit more tech advice...
if you state a model you like i can probably help you out more...
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Mon, 29 December 2003 12:23
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I take it your talking about xA6x celicas (ra60, ra65, sa63).
I don't have the specs for the ra60 or sa63 but i do have info on the ra65.
By information i'm not 100% sure what you mean but i'll just lay down the important stuff
Engine: 22r-e (4cyl 2.4ltre efi sohc) Puts out 87kw or 115bhp
Kerb weight: 1150kg dry, more likely 1200+kg though
Ventalated disks front, drums rear, open diff.
Definatly check for rust in the hatch and rear. Open up the boot and take the trimming off of the hatch section and have a look, theres a good chance that there will be rust in there.
As for pros and cons...
well in my situation id say a pro is that the car shares a fair bit in comon with the ma61 supras, so that means from the firewall back there are a fair bit of interchangable parts. The cars fairly light for its size as well so thats a bonus too. The biggest con is the engine that comes stock with it, while you can mod it its not the best base for it. The good thing about the engine is that its a toyota engine and like most toyota stuff its been overengineered, so it will take a beating and its fairly bullet proof. They also make great sleepers because it realy is a 80's car and people rarely expect to see a car from that era thats so boxy to get up and boogy 
Their also pretty cheap as well so thats a bonus too. These are one of the first "modern" cars to come out, its got all the luxuries of aircon, powersteering, efi, irs etc (not all models have aircon and powersteering because its an option). Its also a 2 door so giving lifts to people won't be a big worry either
I was in the same situation as you were a few months ago.
The reason I got the ra65 is because it was a steal at $450 and pretty much the only thing that was wrong with it was the engine was completely fubard. So we got a reconed engine put in and that cost a little over $2500. So now I have myself a road going car for less than $3000, just the thing for a first car, a cheap beater.
I whole heartedly recomend this car for a first car because its not a total slug. Its a fun car to drive, its got enuff room in the hatch once you put the rear seats down so that its practical.
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Mon, 29 December 2003 12:33
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some facts on the RA60 and SA63 for ya:
Engine:
RA60: 21R-C, 2 litre 4 cylinder, puts out 67 kw at the fly, 90 hp.
SA63: 2S-C, 2 litre 4 cylinder, puts ot 73 kw at the fly.
Kerb Weight: around 1200 i think. i can check exactly if you really care...
other than that, same as the RA65. the RA60 is live axle as opposed to IRS, and both have single spinning diffs.
but yeah, power steering, air con, and comfy too. loook great, and lots of potential to do up. someone has stuck a 1JZ-GTE (2.5 litre 6 cylinder, twin turbo) in one, and i would imagine it would fly.... Draven (on this forum) has one is his celica-supra, and it flogs nearly everything... so coupled with about 100kgs less, the celica would fly too...
Nark (also on this forum) has a 1G-GTE 2 litre 6 cylinder twin turbo in his RA60. This was the conversion i was going to do in my RA60, but i felt the MA61 (1982-1985 Supra) had more potential, better but similar looks... etc...
But anyway narks ride is supposed to fly... so maybe talk to him, if you are interested in getting this series celica and putting a new beefy motor in it.
there are a couple for sale on these forums.... if you are in victora:
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=21282&rid=2351&S=a29c0e423ee0c5f1e0738d9 93053eed8
and if you are in perth:
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=25753&rid=2351&S=a29c0e423ee0c5f1e0738d9 93053eed8
enjoy. i love these cars. 
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Re: early to mid 80's Celica's
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Mon, 29 December 2003 12:41
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Have you considered a ma61 supra?
More power
Looks tougher
Nicer interiour
Wider rims for fatter tires
Beefy flares
Lsd
Disk brakes all round
Much more potential for big power because of the larger engine bay
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Re: early to mid 80's Celica's
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Mon, 29 December 2003 12:46
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| Intensevil wrote on Mon, 29 December 2003 23:41 |
Have you considered a ma61 supra?
More power
Looks tougher
Nicer interiour
Wider rims for fatter tires
Beefy flares
Lsd
Disk brakes all round
Much more potential for big power because of the larger engine bay
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why did i not think of this? 
103 kw 2.8 litre EFi 6 cylinder (5M-E)
awesome seats
better tyres
four wheel discs
better gearbox, drivetrain, clutch (for doing up)
plus still looks enough like a celica for most people to not know the difference  
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Re: early to mid 80's Celica's
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Tue, 30 December 2003 01:42
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thanx for all the info guys, it's a big help. as for a supra, I have considered it but I havnt seen many , if I did I would definatly try and snap it up but adelaide just inst a great town for these sorts of things, if the situation gets to desperate I might look interstate though. would there be any problem with insurance on a supra or would it be like any other car as long as it isnt heavily modded?
thanx again,
phrenzy
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Re: early to mid 80's Celica's
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Tue, 30 December 2003 05:51
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i got my supra interstate- all good. i had a friend from these forums look at it for me though. good stuff.
as for insurance, they are fine. they arent that powerful, but still a bit of fun.
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