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legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 31 December 2003 07:47
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Here is some very interesting information from an SAU Member.....
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10 days ago I was defected for having an exposed Pod filter. I was planning to change back to the standard airbox (with K&N filter) soon anyhow so didn't kick up a stink about it and just accepted the 'defect notice'. My defect notice said 'airbox must comply with standards' and he told me that it must be boxed. My only requirements were to have my airfilter 'comply with the standards', get it checked by a blue slip mechanic and my defect notice signed and then have the RTA signed the other part of the defect notice. No RTA inspection was required at all.
So 2 days later (Monday) I visited my local Ultra Tune mechanic who is 'blue slip' certified to enquire about my defect notice. He looked at my current setup and said their is nothing wrong with it. As long as the AFM is in place and is the original Nissan part then it does not matter what is 'after' the AFM. So that means I should have been told to get EPA approval of my Pod filter setup not a defect notice to box the pod or change back to the original airbox. The Ultra Tune mechanic rang the RTA Defect section and was told flat out that "anything aftermarket on the car is defect-able and is illegal', that means 'anything'.
Now my mum works in the police force so I got her to chase up the exact ruling and bring it home on paper or in a book because I was curious as to what the 'exact' word for word ruling is. Now she couldn't find anything so she got some other police officers to look into it for me (these aren't just regular behind the desk officers these are the guys that teach the entire NSW force to drive, what to do, etc etc, they are very high up in the ranks). Guess what.... no documentation could be found at all in the road and traffic law book (this thing is well over 1,100 pages of documentation, so many pages infact I couldn't even be bothered to read it) stating -anything- about Pod filters or air filters. They then tried to find any other books that might contain information about this and were unsuccessful. Their is no such book in existance (atleast at the NSW Police Training Facilities) of what police can and can't defect you for, on the other hand, "RTA" Inspectors im sure would have a book and -could- defect you but -not- Police Officers.
Afew hours later I then had a Seargent (that my mum works with) call me on my mobile and say "If your Nissan AFM is inplace and untouched you have not done anything illegal, get your defect notice signed by Ultra Tune and then signed at the RTA, you are clear".
Abuse of power? Most certainly !
Money making? Most certainly !
Oh while im in a typing mood afew more things that are true.
* For a police officer to do a "speed check" they must drive behind you for a minimum of 200m with no cars between yourself and them.
* If you are pulled over regarding this you can ask the Police Officer to check his tyre pressures with the "provided" tyre pressure gauge. Highway Patrol cars have their speedo's checked every 30 days and are very conscious of having the speedo's right. If he does not have this tyre pressure gauge with him (supplied when the speedo is checked) dob him in and you watch how red his arse is after copping a whipping from his Sergeant. If the tyre pressures say anything -but- 42psi then take the speeding fine to court and could technically be thrown out of court quicker than the police officer can wipe his own arse. If the tyre pressures are not on exactly 42psi then their is no way of prooving that his speedo was accurate when doing his 'speed check' behind you.
* Their is no way that a police officer can do a "background" check on his car computer on you whilst driving behind you -unless- he calls it through the radio for the head office (or call centre thingo) to do the check for them.
* Their is no such thing as being "black flagged", ie; if you get defected once, a cop can't just look on his computer and go "oh he's been pulled over X times lets be a bastard and get him again for something else".
* A Hwy Patrol mounted radar can reach up to 600m in a forwards or sideways view but not behind you.
* Every police officer -must- wear his/her Police hat when they are out of a vehicle, failure to do so can get very nasty if the right people are told.
* All car doors must be locked whenever the car is in motion. If a police officer is found to have a door unlocked (once again by the right people) then his/her license can be removed on the spot and then they have to re-take the entire police driving training course.
* In pursuit a police office must "stop" at all inter-sections if it is a red light. Failure to do so will make "them" fully liable of "any" accident or damages caused at that intersection not "the police force".
* Fog lights in use during the day on cop cars (and anyone for that matter) is an offence (unless in foggy areas). You may have noticed that when cop cars have their lights on that the foglights are also automatically on, naughty naughty.
thought you guys would like that
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 31 December 2003 08:39
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600m for a hwy patrol radar is bollocks - it's much more
the pod filter is not mechanically defectable, as it does not amke the vehicle unsafe. However, EPA/RTA can and do kick up a large stink about them
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 31 December 2003 09:38
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just because a pod filter isnt ticketed specifically in some document does not mean it is not illegal for the following violations of other existing laws:
- Sound pollution from increased amplitude of induction note (why do you think manufacturers go nuts with resonators, baffles and airboxes - to keep the noise down). induction sounds do have a spefic Db reading to be under, the same as exhausts. (hence the req that they be mounted in a box).
- ANY mofification to the induction or exhaust system from oem spec has the ability to alter the combustion characteristics, and thus emissions spec of the vehicle. as such, all modifications in this regard 'should' be checked by the EPA for adhereance to existing ADR emissions criteria.
now i agree that a pod filter is a pretty crap thing to get bent over for, but thems the rules. writing a big post about how 'long and hard real police went looking for an asnswer, and using this fact for a revenue raising whinge' is pretty poor form imho.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 31 December 2003 09:42
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| speakafreaka wrote on Wed, 31 December 2003 18:47 |
As long as the AFM is in place and is the original Nissan part then it does not matter what is 'after' the AFM.
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as you may have gathered from my above post - that is incorrect.
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Wed, 31 December 2003 10:13
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just in case nobody has realised yet ed_ma61, appears to think he knows the law, and more than what several police officers do... this is pretty typical of his kind, they always know more than what the facts present but have nothing to back themselves up about it...now that is pretty poor form imho
thanks for the info speakafreaka 
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Wed, 31 December 2003 11:16
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In theory any change to OEM equipment needs to be checked by an engineer. In regards to the pod filter it needs to be checked by the EPA.
As for the 42 psi, has this ever been tested in a court of law. Because 42 psi is the cold reading. If it's below this then you can claim a technicality.
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Wed, 31 December 2003 11:47
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| CamryMan wrote on Wed, 31 December 2003 21:16 |
In theory any change to OEM equipment needs to be checked by an engineer. In regards to the pod filter it needs to be checked by the EPA.
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theres is a lot of 'theories' running around on toymods, do you have proof of yours ?...i believe the first statement to be substansiated, everyone else just seems to be jumping on the 'lets be friends' bandwagon, i think you are quite rude to ridicule somebody's thread when the purpose of it, was a heads up to everyone
i will ask again, wheres your proof ?
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 31 December 2003 13:16
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god, some folk are frustrating fucktards! 
*sigh*
why am i compelled to explain myself exactly? so what if "cops searching 1100 pages of shite" couldnt find what they were looking for? ...the ellusive 'defects for dummies handbook" ? this proves what?
wheres the proof you ask?
and where exactly is the 'proof' in the big anecdotal spiel at the top of the page?
fact: ADRs are dictated for all modern vehicles.
fact: Engines are required to meet strict emissions guidelines.
fact: ANYTHING that 'might' alter the vehicle's compliance with either the relevant ADRs or emissions needs to be checked by either a) an RTA authorised engineer, or b) and EPA authorised emissions facility for the latter, or BOTH
if any modifications do NOT comply with relevant ADRs or emissions standards, the vehicle needs to be modified in accordance until satisfactory.
as such, ANY modification to the intake, exhaust, engine control, or internals can potentially alter the vehicles compliance with any or all of the above - in particular emissions output.
A POD FILTER one one such modification to the air intake system that may alter the engines emissions output, and thus would need notice by an engineering signatory, plus an attached emissions report.
now it is totally unlikely that a pod filter alone will cause any change in emissions, BUT the fact that it is NOT oem, means that it might be possible that such a change has occured, and if the cops want to pick on you for something - there it is on a platter.
and how in god's name do i KNOW all of this? cause i just went through the whole fiasco! 2 engineers, 2 defect clearing stations, one independant emissions facility, 1 rta emssions testing facility, and the RTA stand alone. not cause i got busted, but because i want my engine to be squeaky clean and legal.
ULTRA TUNE SAID SO is such a fuckin lame statement, and you want to rest your laurels on it?
get a clue dude
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Wed, 31 December 2003 13:22
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and PS: i didnt just happen to stop asking and reading when i was happy id gotten the answer i wanted (as so many people do). youve got to SEARCH for all the facts, and it is very time consuming. as the RTA states - it is the owners responsibility to make sure their vehicle is legal - ignorance, interntional or otherwise, is not an excuse.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 31 December 2003 22:29
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Wed, 31 December 2003 23:16 |
god, some folk are frustrating fucktards!
*sigh*
why am i compelled to explain myself exactly? so what if "cops searching 1100 pages of shite" couldnt find what they were looking for? ...the ellusive 'defects for dummies handbook" ? this proves what?
wheres the proof you ask?
and where exactly is the 'proof' in the big anecdotal spiel at the top of the page?
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yeah its funny that people are more inclined to believe something that dosnt come from a person who comes across and being rude arrogant and pompous ?...
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 31 December 2003 23:43
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dude, it doesn't make a lick of difference what some cops have or haven't found - the simple fact is it's written down in the ADRs, which means it's illegal
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Thu, 01 January 2004 00:23
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Ed - at least I'm not the only one that has to deal with the knob jockeys on here
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 01 January 2004 01:44
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can i add, also, that these things vary state to state.
i just took 2 AE86 imports through for inspection at our Transport SA station at Regency park, and they both had pod filters. one was an Apexi pod filter, and one was the "that'll never get through" HKS Mushroom Pod.
well, guess what? nothing at all was said about either.
to top that off, when i took the first one through, i asked the inspector, as to the legalities, and he told me there is nothing wrong with them, as long as all relevant vaccum lines, etc. were in place, and that's that.
he did mention there is no actual legislation on them, but as they see it, there is nothing wrong with them.
I will also point out that in South Australia, BOV's are legal.
this from the same inspector...and i quote:
"i fucking hate coppers...they go around defecting all these young guys in their R33's, for shit like blow-off-valves...and to be honest, i cant see why. i mean, sure, they make a bit of noise, but most of them are acceptable...shit...what does every truck have? factory. what difference does it make if it's on a car? it has the same purpose on a car as it does on a car, so who cares? why aren't the cops out there defecting XB Falcons, and HJ Kingswoods? I dont care about R33 Skylines. I'd rather have some old clunker shitbox off the road, than some punk kid in his late-model-nothing-wrong-with-it-car..."
Can i also mention that in SA, we cant just go down to your local Ultra Tune, and get "blue-slipped"...
we have to go down to either a police station, or Transport SA. government. no if's, no but's. they make the rules.
i dont expect everyone to agree with me, but if you flame me personally, like astroboy did to ed, there'll be words... 
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 01 January 2004 05:15
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god not this idiot again.....
lets oppose everything shall we....
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 01 January 2004 05:21
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go and play with your lasers 
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 01 January 2004 05:33
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| Astroboy007 wrote on Wed, 31 December 2003 22:47 |
theres is a lot of 'theories' running around on toymods, do you have proof of yours ?...i believe the first statement to be substansiated, everyone else just seems to be jumping on the 'lets be friends' bandwagon, i think you are quite rude to ridicule somebody's thread when the purpose of it, was a heads up to everyone
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Who said I was ridiculing anybody.
For the reasons already explained by ed, if the person above wants to show proof of legality to the coppers about the pod then he can produce an EPA certificate at the scene.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 01 January 2004 05:52
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how much longer do we have to put up with you before adequate measures are made?
i liked the sensibility of this board...
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 01 January 2004 08:08
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| Steve-AE86 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2004 12:44 |
blahhhhh "like blow-off-valves" blahhhhhhh... "what does every truck have? factory."
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Diesels do not have BOV's as you will see diesels have no throttle butterfly!
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what difference does it make if it's on a car?
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Besides the big black cloud of un-burnt fuel on any car with an AFM???
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i dont expect everyone to agree with me, but if you flame me personally, like astroboy did to ed, there'll be words...
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You suck
Allan
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Thu, 01 January 2004 08:41
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Allan, I thought BOVs where before the injectors? Don't they just pump out compressed air? That's what I have been told. *shrugs*
I thought the law was that any car that's design hasn't been checked by an engineer can be defected. ie. the design of stock cars have been approved by an engineer, but I thought that a Coppa could defect you for having those little door reflector things that some people add.
That's what I thought it was. So POD filters aren't illegal, they just aren't legal until you get an Engineer to check them out. Isn't that the way it is?
Anyway, we seem to have soft cops (on defection) or the laws are different in Vic, as I see cars with neons, those washer lights etc. I also hear heaps of cars with VERY noisy BOVs. And considering how many cops are around here, I'm just not sure whats going on. 
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Thu, 01 January 2004 09:42
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| Shraka wrote on Thu, 01 January 2004 19:41 |
Allan, I thought BOVs where before the injectors? Don't they just pump out compressed air? That's what I have been told. *shrugs*
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Correct, but thay are after the air flow meter thus the ECU thinks there is more air entering the engine then there actualy is, so it pumps all this fuel into the engine thats actualy geting no/very little air and it dosent burn all the fuel so it go's strait out the exhaust!
Allan
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Thu, 01 January 2004 22:49
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| Steve-AE86 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2004 12:44 |
what does every truck have? factory.
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trucks dont have BOVs, in fact most dont even have a throttle body. what you are hearing is the exhaust assisted brakes and sometimes the air assisted clutches (thats why you hear psssh between gears)
maybe your mate at regency doesnt actually know that much about cars at all! (wouldnt surprise me, they are hardly rocket scientists)
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Thu, 01 January 2004 22:59
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Wed, 31 December 2003 20:38 |
- Sound pollution from increased amplitude of induction note (why do you think manufacturers go nuts with resonators, baffles and airboxes - to keep the noise down). induction sounds do have a spefic Db reading to be under, the same as exhausts. (hence the req that they be mounted in a box).
- ANY mofification to the induction or exhaust system from oem spec has the ability to alter the combustion characteristics, and thus emissions spec of the vehicle. as such, all modifications in this regard 'should' be checked by the EPA for adhereance to existing ADR emissions criteria.
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TRUE. The extra noise, and the change in intake means it has to be double checked by an engineer and RTA emissions test.
Exhaust test is done 30cm from the exhaust tip at a certain rpm, but a pod filter has to be checked in the average of 3 drive-by tests at a certain rpm. Then the engineer can put it on the engineer certificate and you can go get the RTA emissions test.
This is what is needed in NSW and I went through it.
As for a Blow Off Valve (BOV):
BOVs aren't before the injectors, they're before the throttle butterfly (which is before the injectors I know, but thats not what its there for).
BOVs that VENT TO ATMOSPHERE are illegal. Those that do the factory thing (most turbo cars have a BOV factory!!!) and recirculate the compressed air to before the turbo (after the AFM) are legal. And these ones also don't do the black smoke out the back.
As for the original post. I agree its not the coppers that should be defecting people. They should be referring them to an RTA check station. Its the RTA that comes up with the laws on car roadworthyness. The police are there to uphold the majority of other laws.
The reason why 10,000 cops won't find anything in their 20,000 page books is because its not their law.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Fri, 02 January 2004 01:50
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Allan I think SteveAE86 may have been talking about the air brakes on a truck.... warm air being vented to the atmosphere? with a noise of similar dB to a BOV?
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Sat, 03 January 2004 03:27
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fyi: i didnt write the above, it was ripped from the skylines AU thread. i dont know what state he was from.
The moral was basically if you dont want to run into shit, get your car emission tested after intake and exhaust mods.
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Tue, 06 January 2004 00:18
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| Steve-AE86 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2004 12:14 |
can i
I will also point out that in South Australia, BOV's are legal.
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That's not what they told me when I put my car through. Factory BOVs are legal (recirculating types), but atmospheric venting BOV's are not. I discussed this with them as on a MAP sensored car it doesn't vent to atmosphere, so has no real effect on exhaust emissions but they could not be moved. Since my half-cut came with a non-factory BOV on the intercooler to intake piping (as well as the std BOV blocked off) we just took it off and put a plate over the hole. They made a special note of "plate covering where BOV was" on the paperwork but that was it.
It all depends on who is the inspector on duty at the time. The first time I went through the guy was very fussy and didn't talk to me at all, but the second time it was a senior inspector and he was great - just chatting about his son's car, and mentioning how neat and facory like my engine conversion was.
FWIW, I think it's worth the effort to get your car properly inspected/engineered. Then you can drive it around knowing it's all legal, above board and insurance friendly. The peace of mind from that is worth the hassle of inspections (although it didn't feel like it was at the time )
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Tue, 06 January 2004 00:49
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| speakafreaka wrote on Wed, 31 December 2003 15:47 |
The Ultra Tune mechanic rang the RTA Defect section and was told flat out that "anything aftermarket on the car is defect-able and is illegal', that means 'anything'.
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This is true. 100% true.
As stated before, cars are engineered and tested to the Nth degree, and ANY modification you do could potentially unbalanced something.
As stated before, get any modification you have done engineered and checked, because in the event of an accident, the insurance company has the right to refuse you insurance if you car is A) Different to what you told them, and B) Deemed 'illegal' in the eyes of the Law.
You can also lose all rights your license gives you because you can be found driving an unroadworthy/unsafe/'illegal' car.
So for YOUR OWN sake, get it checked.
99% of cops will turn a blind eye to 90% of modifications, (rims, tyres, bodykits, stereos, the list goes on), but remember that they do hav ethe right to sticker you for it.
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Tue, 06 January 2004 04:39
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| Toobs wrote on Fri, 02 January 2004 12:50 |
Allan I think SteveAE86 may have been talking about the air brakes on a truck.... warm air being vented to the atmosphere? with a noise of similar dB to a BOV?
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even then only when parking brake is applyed... not on every gear change 
Allan
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| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 06 January 2004 11:49 |
| speakafreaka wrote on Wed, 31 December 2003 15:47 |
The Ultra Tune mechanic rang the RTA Defect section and was told flat out that "anything aftermarket on the car is defect-able and is illegal', that means 'anything'.
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This is true. 100% true.
As stated before, cars are engineered and tested to the Nth degree, and ANY modification you do could potentially unbalanced something.
As stated before, get any modification you have done engineered and checked, because in the event of an accident, the insurance company has the right to refuse you insurance if you car is A) Different to what you told them, and B) Deemed 'illegal' in the eyes of the Law.
You can also lose all rights your license gives you because you can be found driving an unroadworthy/unsafe/'illegal' car.
So for YOUR OWN sake, get it checked.
99% of cops will turn a blind eye to 90% of modifications, (rims, tyres, bodykits, stereos, the list goes on), but remember that they do hav ethe right to sticker you for it.
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This is 100% bullshit. No not really, just another generalisation. All aftermarket modifications aren't necessarily illegal! And its ridiculous to say so. Once again people making statements when they don't really know what they are talking about - not meant to single anyone out here.
For example, you say you can get defected for aftermarket rims? So if I go and grab a set of normal size Alloys for my commodore with exactly the same dimension, Swap the original tyres over - this is illegal ? I Know its not !
Get specific guys, the law is pretty black and white in Most areas, and needs to be discussed in such a manor - not "my friend and ultratune said this". You need to be sure of the facts when stating something so broad.
All Aftermarket modifications - this would include stereos, seat covers, hub caps...the list goes on - so many of which are not illegal.
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Mon, 01 March 2004 04:38
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Man there is so much bullshit in this thread !?!?!?
WHAT IS THE TRUTH!!??
Lets just get back to the issue in the title (which is what caught my eye in the first place):
1) If your air pod is engineered - will cops have a right to defect u ? (I believe NO)
2) If you put the pod in an enclosure i.e. OEM box or DIY perspex - will cops have a right to defect u ? (I believe NO)
3) If you tell your insurance company that you HAVE a pod filter, they have no reason to not cover you in the event of an accident. (I think TRUE)
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Mon, 01 March 2004 06:48
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| Les wrote on Mon, 01 March 2004 15:38 |
1) If your air pod is engineered - will cops have a right to defect u ? (I believe NO)
2) If you put the pod in an enclosure i.e. OEM box or DIY perspex - will cops have a right to defect u ? (I believe NO)
3) If you tell your insurance company that you HAVE a pod filter, they have no reason to not cover you in the event of an accident. (I think TRUE)
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did you read my post?
1) - no they shouldnt, but can, and then you just show your EPA slip and engineers cert at the defect inspection for clearance
2) - yes! youve modified your intake away from stock, and it 'should' be passed by the EPA and noted by your engineer
3) - i dont know - ask your insurer
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Mon, 01 March 2004 07:45
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my engineer wouldnt pass my pod unless it was enclosed, even though i passed emissions
regardless of the legalities of it, its much wiser performance wise to do it too.
PS TAPLUS22 - i was misquoted.. my original post was ripped from the Skylines AU forum.. its not my personal account
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Mon, 01 March 2004 07:47
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So this would be the same for cold air induction be it DIY or bought?
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Mon, 01 March 2004 08:37
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| speakafreaka wrote on Mon, 01 March 2004 18:45 |
my engineer wouldnt pass my pod unless it was enclosed, even though i passed emissions
regardless of the legalities of it, its much wiser performance wise to do it too.
PS TAPLUS22 - i was misquoted.. my original post was ripped from the Skylines AU forum.. its not my personal account
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I wasn't quoting you, it was a quote of the person who quoted you. There were no attacks at your statement made by me. Just an example used. My comments were aimed at the generalisations made by the person attacking you.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Mon, 01 March 2004 09:21
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If the car originally came with an enclosed air filter you will then always have to use an enclosed air filter. No engineer can aprove the use of an unboxed pod filter unless they do a full emission test which I doubt anyone would pay for just to use a pod.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Mon, 01 March 2004 09:58
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| charliechalk wrote on Mon, 01 March 2004 18:47 |
So this would be the same for cold air induction be it DIY or bought?
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correct
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Tue, 02 March 2004 13:44
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Well, my pod has been engineered... so if there are any problems with the pod, i will tell the cop "hey its on the engineers certificate, so if there is a problem, i will need to take this up with engineer and get him to fix it up"
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 03 March 2004 05:45
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Hello everyone,
We need to keep in mind that there is often more than one government body getting involved here. The EPA and the ADRs, as well as how they are interpreted don't always match up nicely.
So in order to help, do what I did (please keep in mind that there are also slight state to state differences\additions). And buy the ADRs on cd-rom and forget about here say.
This site is very useful:
http://www.dotars.gov.au/
go and have a look here (http://www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/str_adrindx.htm) and notice:
The Australian Design Rules are available on CD-ROM. They can be obtained by emailing standards@dotars.gov.au or by following the steps outlined in the subscription/purchase information page.
Please don't take it personally but I am not going to be burning copies of this cd due to obvious reasons in relation to it's source.
Enjoy
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Wed, 03 March 2004 17:00
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i wouldn't mind getting a hold of one of them book that have all the laws in em.
Well my opinion for pod filters, can't hurt you but if they change the performance in your car from the manufactures standards they should be checked.
If you don't want cops to catch ya with one, put a box around it so they can't see it. They can't tell you to take the box off to check 
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 04 March 2004 01:09
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How much does it cost to get a pod eningeered?
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 04 March 2004 06:26
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if anybody had bothered to read the 'blue bible' (which is impossible unless you 'know' someone...? work that one out...you'd think it'd be available for everyone to read) it states that
pod filters of the oiled type are illegal on carburetted vehicles.
no mention of pod filters on EFI vehicles at all - as long as all emissions equipment is hooked up there is no legal issue with it at all.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Thu, 04 March 2004 08:52
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pod filter...... what pod filter???
my filters boxed off in the boot.
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Re: legalities of pod filters
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Sun, 07 March 2004 09:06
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My car has passed rego twice for having an pod filter on my car by ultra tune. No questions asked, and my air flow meter is supported and working.
Patrick
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