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What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:18
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I was looking at like 1995+ Magna wagons for Mum's new car, as manual Camry wagons are hard to come by..
Are Magnas ok? How quality are Mitsubishi anyway? Saw some pretty tidy V6 ones....
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:32
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i have been in a 97 verada which was bought for 17000 and it is really nice. Goes pretty well too 
Don't get the older model with the 2.6 Astron engine though. My mates one has had problems for a long time.
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:36
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cool thanks man I appreciate that heaps.. will do!
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:36
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is ther 2.6 a 4 cyl?.. if so its a good engine power wise.. but a peice of shit... mums was fucked.. rattling and shaking bad... had it rebuilt and its just as bad
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:40
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Well, I can't say for Magna engiens, but my Lancer's 4G15 engine is rooted. Apparently Mitsu engines arent too robust. Rings tend to fry. I also have a bad cable in my cable clutch, and various other problems. Then agian, I don't baby it... mwahahah.
Although, they may have gotten better since my car was made (1992) so yeah. 
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:45
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newish(say 96 and over) are really good
but then again, so are camry's....
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:47
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yeah but I have found that manual camry wagons are heaps rare... 
manual mangas, quite common, esp v6 ones, but I am worried that they will be much more expensive on the fuel than the 4cyl variants of either..
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:51
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whats her price range?
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:54
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well we sold the Landy for 17200, so I guess less than 17k..
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 04:55
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yeah the astron engine is the 2.6L.
The newer v6's feels heaps better than the 2.6's.
I have heard about the rings problem as well. Don't know if it is fixed or not? 
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 05:08
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if she drives like a granny.. any of them will do
why do you want manual?
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 05:37
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Get a manual 4cyl Camry wagon
If you change oil/filter/plugs at recommended intervals, then you will never have to spend a dollar on the car.
They go and go and go and go
Just make sure it wasnt a rental when new.
Most rental/govt/company cars didnt get regular oil changes back in the day. ie 60k kms on original oil etc
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 05:56
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Like pieces of dog shit.
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 05:57
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| hippy wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 16:56 |
Like pieces of dog shit.
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shut the fuck up and piss off
uve made like heaps of useless posts since u posted the skyline gtr in buy/sell section
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:06
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| Shraka wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 15:40 |
Apparently Mitsu engines arent too robust. Rings tend to fry. I
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too much NAWS.... 
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:07
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| hippy wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 16:56 |
Like pieces of dog shit.
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thanks for the input
Also, you will have to replace CV's. my grandparents had to replace theirs in their 96 Camry last month.
i thought that was a bit early.
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:09
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unless they do about 30,000km a year, thats too early
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:27
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 16:57 |
shut the fuck up and piss off
uve made like heaps of useless posts since u posted the skyline gtr in buy/sell section
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but wait there are more great cars for sale at top prices!!!
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:27
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nope, no where near it.
that is what i thought.
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:30
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How many k's it done then?
being a Grandma/Grandpa car, i'm guessing about 75k kms?
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:42
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| hippy wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 14:27 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 16:57 |
shut the fuck up and piss off
uve made like heaps of useless posts since u posted the skyline gtr in buy/sell section
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but wait there are more great cars for sale at top prices!!!
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you really are a nob jockey, go home some your mum can bitch slap you for me.
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:45
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so anyway.. bck to the thread.. I reckon a camry would do the job well.. not too bad, bit of power... sorta luxurious... very common though
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:48
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 14:45 |
very common though
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So?
Common + Reliable = Easy resale
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 06:54
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| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 17:48 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 14:45 |
very common though
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So?
Common + Reliable = Easy resale
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hehe very true.. i didnt even think about that
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:06
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well she doesn't drive like a complete granny..
actually not too bad at all actually, and she doesn't like autos.. (how cool is that ) and she doesn't want a super wimpy car.
Manual Camry Wagon = hard to find
manual magna wagon = not so hard, but usually only V6 (worried about the fuel thirsty factor here though I must admit)
so here is where my concern is, some people say Mitsus are hopeless... other love 'em, so I dunno.
CV boot replacement, no biggie really.. these are things I will check anyway, I just don't want to say to Mum, "hey look, these Magnas go for a good price, and they have all the specs you seem to want, let's get one!" and then find they have 1000 faults that come out at 60k or something... etc.
I drove a v6 auto 97 magna once and it went very nicely
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:07
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have you thought about subaru liberty wagons
they are nice to drive and pretty grunty if you get the above 2 litre motors ..
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:08
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just in the price range they usually have a lot of kilometres on them
and more expensive to look after I reckon..
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:13
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I've had both the camry and now i own the magna..
The camry v6 use's 10 liters per 100kms the magna use's like 11 liters per 100kms.
The magna is quicker and easier to get parts for..The toyota has a much smoother ride and it's quieter.
My camry leaked oil at the transmission, and the shockers died at 120,000kms.
The magna has only done 31,000km so i've had no problems yet..
Remember there both made in Australia, under simlar conditions.
I know I am going to get flamed so BRING IT ON.
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:16
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| frank_grimes wrote on Wed, 07 January 2004 15:13 |
My camry leaked oil at the transmission, and the shockers died at 120,000kms.
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Shocks have an average life of 40-60k kms
So if you had if from new, and they were never replaced, be happy
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:29
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frank, we are talking about the V6 in both cases? That isn't too bad I don't reckon! Mainly city driving?
heaps helpful dude thanks
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:43
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Yep, go the camry for sure. It won't let you down.
As for magnas, I had the dis-pleasure of owning a '97 3.5L Verada. It had heaps of grunt, especially for an auto, but for a car with only 50,000k's it had some serious problems. It only got 400k's to a tank, even on the highway, which worked out to 15L/100kms. No one could work out what the problem was, not even a mitsubishi dealer!! It also had a horrible shudder that went right through the car when travelling at a constant 60-80 up slight inclines. It turned out to be a transmission problem. After getting a few quotes on fixing the thing I picked myself up off the floor and sold it. I can't believe I had traded a perfectly reliable Vienta Touring edition for that heap of crap.
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:48
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But now you have a Cressida and life is good again right? hehehe
Thats what you need to import Rob, a Cressida wagon!
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:53
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Hell Yeh!!!!!
Just have the possibility of a BHG always in the back of my mind. Oh well, I can live with that. The rest of the car is worth it. 
Go the cressy!!!
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 07:56
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dont get the 92-96 magna {TR-TS, KR-KS}, hey arent very good, get either the TE/F/H/J/L MODEL, the 3.0 is a good engine, cept for cam seals always leak, every 75k or so,
the 2.4 in the TE- is a decent engine, they NEVER fuck up,
as for manual magnas being common, where u been looking
the transmissions in the TE- v6 {auto} is a bit problematic, i.e. flaring ect
servicing is relatively cheap, and so are parts, if u wanna know anything more about them just ask, i have worked for mitsubishi for ages, and still do
dont know y u say mits engines are not robust, they are very robust {not the 2.6 tho } we never ever have to open the 3.0 and 3.5L for repairs {cept servicing}, the 4g15 is a very good engine, u say yours just fucked up from normal driving
did u ever change the oil
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 08:44
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v6 would be heaps for her
oh how I WISH we could import something.. I would love a Turbo Desiel Caldina or something (how about that Century on ebay ay? )
but I think Magna or Camry will be the result... Thanks for the help on the magnas that is awesome! I know Toyota make good stuff, but a new manual wagon is proving impossible to find.
There are a few magna manual wagons on carsales.com.au
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 17:59
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well, after just having driven a brand spanking ( 15,000 km ) new es magna i can say that im impressed. in comparison to the last magna i drove, a '98 the '03 is much better. tiptronic is great, cruise, good stereo, suppotive buckets, etc. nice car inside and out! but the steering lacks ANY feel and actually made me a little nervous being so vauge. seems to reach 100 in about 8 and a bit seconds which is great for a big family car, feels a little under tyred prolly wont both you granny, but yeh i guess its out of your price range but i was very impressed all the same!
shraka: it really depends what model you are talking bout, there a fair few 5 spd dunny doors, but after driving a mates manual vk, i can see why auto is popular the manual sux
btw my dad has a '94 4 cyl manual camry wagon, perfect for you grandma!!!!!
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Wed, 07 January 2004 20:37
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I had a 1994 3.0L V6 manual Magna Wagon. Couldn't really complain about anything on it. Got about 11 litres per 100km.
Traded it in 12 months ago for a 1999 3.0L V6 wagon (auto unfortunately). Sell price of the 1999 at the time was $15,000 through a dealer. It seems my model (TH) was the first to be exported and thus they had better standard features.
Only complaint I have is the auto, but then, I think that is only becasue I prefer manual.
A mate who used to be at Mitsubishi seems to think that if the auto trannys made it passed 80 - 100,000km, they would last. It was common for tranny failures at this point, up until about the 1999 model.
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 08 January 2004 00:19
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Go for a Prius 4.4L/100klms!!! I think?
SIMPLE ANSWER:
Mitsubishis motors are soft and don't last as long. However, they are all right if treated carefully but they are 'disposable'. Yes the auto cable/linkages go (typical in most "bitsofshitis" (mistubishis). For example, my sister had a Sigma and the auto went bung and smashed her door in the garage, AND, my dad has GK Scorpion and its auto went out of gear at the workshop and smashed the back end in (BTW Bumper bars are about $350-400 recond. in an old Scorp.) AND My Grandmother has a magna 1988 with 175000klms on it and it's starting to shit itself.
So I would go with the Camry. However be wary of the wagon models. They are differently constructed and in small accidents can be written off very easily (thanks to my sister..he he) But seeing that TOYOTA MOTORS ARE BETTER you can a lot more klms out of them provided they are serviced. (I know someone with a Camry, done over 300000, never touched the engine yet!) And as for CV joints, just make sure if they are ever replaced or when your car is checked, that the bolts are on securely because you don't want the thing to fall while your in fifth gear (like me) coz it could wreck your gearbox.
GO THE CAMS!
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 08 January 2004 02:55
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Toyoman, not trying to start shit, but seriously dude, all the mits. you listed there are old!! Of course things are gonna go wrong 
I have stated this before in the War stories section, I have driven both a 98 Camry and a 2001 Magna (both when new) and I'd have to say the Magna is quicker. It seems to me a little more rough on idle, but is much better bang for your buck. You could get a fairly late model Magna for 17k.... Everyone knows they have shit re-sale...
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 08 January 2004 03:56
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rvrolla
you've hit the nail on the head, both car offer similar quality in the engine interior and in ride quality department. They are competing for a piece of same pie (older family orientated driver).
It's just that I personaly find Magna is better priced.
From what I understand Toyota don't make a camry station wagon anymore.
truenosedan
The steering feedback was poor because it a family car and not a sports car.
I have a ae86 gze and a Magna station wagon, I know which car I rather for long drives.
my 2 cents
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 08 January 2004 08:52
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just remember that some cars have inherent problems and some dont
the sigma and the scorpion are just shit unless they have fuck all k's, the linkages dont "go" in the sigmas and scorpions, the bushes just wear, and i spend the $3 required and its like new {89c per bush}, i wont start on scorpions.
they have basically fixed the auto problem in the magnas {TJ onwards},
i wont bag camrys or comment cause i dont know shit about them
but magans are very good, they have excellent build quality and very good spec levels, i can comment cause i work for mitsubishi.
oh and if u buy a mits come to my work and tell them i sent u cause i get a $200 commision
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AND My Grandmother has a magna 1988 with 175000klms on it and it's starting to shit itself.
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of courese its gonna shit itself, it has done enuff k's to get half way to the moon {no shit}, we had a TN with 15,000k on it and it threw 2 rods when he revved it to 3500rpm {TM-TP are the worst cars made}
no more manual magna wagons since the TJ either
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 15 January 2004 00:29
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My sister has a 2000 (i think) model Grand Vitara Limited. Gold badgeing, electrics, manual, leather, v6
Its nice to drive, nothing inspiring tho.
But theres a few things that don't make sense. Its the top of the top of the top in that range, but it doesnt have climate control, just standard aircon features, no trip computer, no cruise control and the rear brakes are drums not discs.
So its basically the bottom range with alloys, leather, and power windows
Go figure
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 15 January 2004 03:59
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My Mum has a 1997 TE Magna wagon with about 160K on the clock, and one of the smoothest riding family cars you are likely to drive. The V6 has got heaps of poke, and the 4 speed auto is great. Its roomy as hell as well, and the TE-onwards models have the sweet pillarless doors, which I really like.
If I were to choose between a Magna and a Camry, I'd choose a Magna because the drivetrain, interior and styling are schmick.
She bought hers for around $12,500, about 2 years about with 135K on the clock, and it hasnt given us any trouble at all. She isnt exactly the maintenance queen if you know wha I mean, but it keeps on goung sweet..and I recommend the car to anyone
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 15 January 2004 08:29
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funnily enuff i used to work for Suzuki too
the V6 Grand Vitara's are a good car, tend to leak a bit of oil tho, buy one thats still in warranty and get them to check all the "flares" caus they have a tendancy to fall off and the rear one gets caught on the front door when opening too.
they also have an internal engine leak, which requires $20 or worth of seals and 20hrs labour , thats why u want warranty
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 15 January 2004 08:39
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| philmelvin wrote on Thu, 15 January 2004 16:29 |
funnily enuff i used to work for Suzuki too
the V6 Grand Vitara's are a good car, tend to leak a bit of oil tho, buy one thats still in warranty and get them to check all the "flares" caus they have a tendancy to fall off and the rear one gets caught on the front door when opening too.
they also have an internal engine leak, which requires $20 or worth of seals and 20hrs labour , thats why u want warranty
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How many kms these start showing up at?
I'd better tell my sister
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 15 January 2004 08:57
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anytime really, like from 20,000 odd k's, get it fully checked by suzuki b4 it runs out of warranty, they dont care whether its done on warranty or not, they still get paid
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Re: What are newish Magnas like
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Thu, 15 January 2004 09:15
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cool!
Looked at a Forrester today - NICE, smallish though and a bit exxyy.
and a 4cyl manual camry station wagon (wide body) -> verdict: how can people drive these, sure they may go forever but NO power at all! well mum didn't seem to care. The only issue was that the rear seats had no headrests! crazy
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They are 3.0L V6 with about 150kW so not bad for the city.
