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real name for my weber? Thu, 01 August 2002 09:57 Go to next message
ok its about time i learn the real name for my weber its a side draft weber but has one single body but two 45mm inlet pipes and has 4 seperate pipes running to the head of the engine (for each cylinder) what is the proper name for this type of webber is it simply called a double intake 45mm side draft a double throw 45mm side draft or what?

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Re: real name for my wber? Thu, 01 August 2002 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wouldn't it be a DCOE 45 then?

i always thought DCOE were side and DHLA were top down..??
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Re: real name for my wber? Thu, 01 August 2002 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
all i know is people call it a side draft weber i'd like to know what you would exactly call it as its like two webers but in one as its got two butterfly's and two 45mm intakes but its in the one body so what is the proper name for one of these?

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Re: real name for my wber? Thu, 01 August 2002 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you have aq good look there will be a product code stamped on the casting somewhere, but if it is a twin throat sidedraft with 45mm throat it will be a 45DCOE
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Re: real name for my wber? Thu, 01 August 2002 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
So thats what you call it if i was to say to someone what type of weber i have i'd say its a Twin Throat 45mm Sidedraft Weber
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Re: real name for my wber? Thu, 01 August 2002 23:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Most people will know what you mean if you just say 45mm sidedrafts
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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sounds like your running a single 45mm weber setup like me - cept mines on a 2Tb ..

wish i could get close to 11kw out of my motor - its lurking there but so BADLY needs its hotter camshaft back in ..

aiming for about 100hp at the rears when tuned in..
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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i just don't like calling it a single weber ok it has one single body but two 45mm intakes and two butterflys in it.

and may i say it HAD 111kw at the flywheel in the state its in now it would be about 80Kw thats why i so want it tunned by a profesional who knows what he is doing as i hate the idea of driving around knowing it could go so much quicker if only it was tunned right.
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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laughs - i know EXACTLY how you feel .. i fropped from 185HP at the flywheel on my motor ( paper figure estimate over 110hp at the rears) - with stock carby off an 3TC and stock exhaust manifold - to under 100hp at the flywheel (50hp at the rears) just by removing the camshaft + replacing with stock 2t one
(illegal according to Vicroads) adding a set of genies , a 45mm weber + racing manifold - then getting it "tuned" by ultratune ..

the car came back running worse than it went in! !

SOOooo im basically back at stage 1 again - i have My camshaft back - getting it reground to make it "legal" by removing some of the lumpiness, hopefully getting it tuned right. I have to get my weber rejetted and dizzy regraphed as well to get the engine package compelete - probably a good 600 dollars worth of work left before its how it should be - thats BEFORE i have to rebuld or replace the gearbox ( noisy throw bearing ) and upgrade the brakes ( DBA slotteds on the front + premium pads - rebuilt calipers, new rear brake hose)

The joys of making a monster .. It aint as easy as sewing a few body parts together + sending a jolt of lightning thru it anymore ( frankenstein ! )

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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah i've been told by many mechanics to never go to ultratune.
But the worst thing about my situation is i can't blame the loss of power in my engine on anyone but myself. i guess when your young an just got a car and can't even drive it yet what else are you to do but play around with everything under the bonnet Rolling Eyes except what i don't understand is so many people have modified engines with webers yet no one can tell me where to get it tunned ?????
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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
theres a guy in girraween i thinkthats like the uber weber freak - Rod try uses him to tune carbs i believe - and you see with tinas car he does a bloody good job ..

youd probably pay that bit extra for the service ..

A guess would be have a look for "british" type performance shops , since most of the ponny performance cars from the old school section run on webers ( ie triumphs , escorts , some mini's )
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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok thanks i'll look into it, only problem is i'm on a very tight budget so i can't afford much. Cry
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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hmms - likewise Smile think ill ahve to go ibnto black market organ trading - or become a Crim ..

OR find new parents ..

note - theres a "kid" in zoom magizine - latest issue - hes not 20yo yet hes driving about in a fully modified and ricered GTS-T nissan Skyline

Hes a full time student - so how the hell can he afford that sort of car ?? the insurance alone would be 4K plus a year alone ..

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Re: real name for my wber? Fri, 02 August 2002 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I'll have to keep buying my lotto tickets and cross my fingers.

i remember my driving instructor telling me about this kid where his parents bought him a brand new WRX Auto for his 18th then he wrote it off a few weeks later hehehe
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Re: real name for my wber? Sat, 03 August 2002 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grega wrote on Thu, 01 August 2002 5:59 PM

wouldn't it be a DCOE 45 then?

i always thought DCOE were side and DHLA were top down..??


DHLA or DHLB are the codes for the dellorto version of a sidedraught, its basically the same as a weber sidie... infact they are made in the same factory in italy

i think IDA webers are the downdraught type

Back to the thread question you have a single sidedraught setup.. even though there is phsically two throats/mainjets etc
a twin set up has two bodys and 4 throats
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Re: real name for my wber? Sat, 03 August 2002 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alright raskas Laughing now that i know its real name it might now listen to me when i try to tune the prick
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Re: real name for my weber? Sun, 04 August 2002 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you have 1 carb., you've got one carb. it's as simple as that.
isn't "45 DCOE/x" stamped on its top?
what number is the "x"?
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Re: real name for my weber? Sun, 04 August 2002 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
45 DCOE 13

whats the number after Dcoe meant to stand for?

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Re: real name for my weber? Sun, 04 August 2002 02:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
they made lots of little changes over the years so it could be like a 45dcoe mark13 or something... it may even be a batch number

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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 02:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AHAHAHAHHHAAA!!!! hehehe

so that would mean i have twin sidedraught webers then?
maybe in my lunch break ill pop the hood and check the numbers on my webers.... but there is definietely 4 inlet throats, and two main bodies, so it has to be twin sidedraughts, right?

all of this is on my 18GRU.... incidentaly.. does anyone know what the difference is with the 18RG -> 18RGU??

i heard the RGU is slower... i wanna make it faster!

BTW gin51e.... try ralliquip for tuning webers... he will dyno tune them and re-jet them for max-power or whatever you want from your power curve
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 02:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thanks mate but where is this place and how much do they usually charge?
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 02:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Witzl - the U means it was an emissions controlled 18rg head - slightly down on power on the "true" 18RG by about 10 horsepower i believe ..

if shes a stock item - you might have twin solexes - not webers .. the carbys are a little different in design.

If you want to make sure they are webers - two ways to easily idenitfy them is the obvious WEBER badging on tyhem - and also a brass wing nut on the top ..

If you want a pic of a 45MM weber ( new style ) follow my WWW in my profile - i have pics there of my weber setup ( single , not duel )

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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just checked under the ol' bonnet then...

i have 2 of these: 45 DCOE 152 webers Skull - Mad

they smell like petrol too!!
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
they are definetly webers!! i rekon they should've been on the engine from factory.. but thats only my thoughts (crappy solex)

Rallyquip is in pendle hill... its $130 to get on the dyno w/air fuel mixture meter, to check how she is goes thru the entire rev range, and adjust to suit.
$60 p/hour after that to do further adjustments, re-jetting etc
+ parts costs (eg, jets, hoses, o-rings etc)

exzpensive but these guys REALLY know their sh!t apparently when it comes to webers. Im heading over there as soon as ive get a new clutch and some tyres.

BTW dude... are you going on the gong cruise this sunday? cos if you are ill catch up with you there.... would like to see whats done to your car!
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anyone know a similar place in victoria that does the same job ?

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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nah m8 i'm not still have to become a member yet, although check out the cruises and events forum and you will see the Celica/Toyota cruise thats what i'm organising you should come along to that. just let me know if you will though as i want to know how many people plan on turning up.

and as for the tunning doesn't sound so bad i had some old farts tell me $300 plus to dyno my car i'll have to give these guys a call and ty and get some money off my parents might go back to mowing the lawn everyweek hehehe

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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dude.... you dont have to be a financial member to go for a cruise with the toymods boys!! im not a TRUE member yet and im going! although ui am hoping to become a member on the day....
you should come dude!

well yeah these dudes are pretty good, when i told them i had an RA28 celica, they instantly asked who put the webers on the 18RGU? i thought that was pretty classy them knowing that stuff.

it sux for me... i REALLY have to get my webers properly tuned, its VERY hard to do twin webers... so im told (not hard to see why... balancing 4 separate jets to mix the same amount of air/fuel.... geeez!)
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
do these guys also do the timing?
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
re timing - rod try mentioned with my setup ( 2tb, race camshaft, single 45mm weber ) i would have to look at weighting and regraphing the distributer to overcome the timing issues + run it at around 10 - 15deg advanced ..

Since the webers dont have a vac advance on them - you have to counter this with dizzy work to get best benifits i believe..

another cost to add to the list - but thats what he did with tinas porncar ..

Its either that or getitng an elecrtonic dizzy ( about 400 bux aftermarket )
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 03:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well whats better, do the webers first or timing?
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i dunno about timing... when i talked to the dude... he said they run it on the dyno, call you up and explain whats going on at what point etc etc... then they go from there and fix her up
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Re: real name for my weber? Mon, 05 August 2002 04:59 Go to previous message
As for naming as such ... nilez calls his carby a "fu(king weber" alot of the time Smile
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