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whyalla SA
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January 2004
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 02:30
 
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I've seen an RA23 with a 1JZ. The 2JZ isn't street-legal in NSW or Qld, not sure about elsewhere though.
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 02:43
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norbs is right, check your states traffic authority for the legalities of this conversion
in most states the smallest celica u can put a 2JZ in is a RA40b
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Location:
whyalla SA
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January 2004
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 03:52
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ok thankx u two
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 04:24
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What legality prohibits that?
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 04:26
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They have a limit on the maximum sized engine based on stock vehicle weight.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 04:29
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Ah, you poor poor bastards
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Location:
Perth
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September 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 07:09
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that bites.
i have a 1321kg full chassied car.
my engineer wanted to know why i 'only' wanted a 4.0L V8. 
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 07:12
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oooh, how much is your engineer? I will need one, and am looking for ppl who have used one, and been happy
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 07:34
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yeah I'd be interested in names, prices and quality of perth engineers
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 07:39
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Who cares about quality, I just want the piece of paper that says my car is safe
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
September 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 08:15
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Jack Apgar.
Telopea Drive, Duncraig.
Designed the Aussie Invader shell for Rosco McGlashan's land speed record attempt - or so he says.
i think that qualifies him to take on my project....just.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 08:17
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Cheers dude, and he's only 30sec north of me
Does he have a number in the white/yellow pages?
Or a business?
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 12:23
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2JZ-GE is legal in RA23/38 in NSW, but not the 2JZ-GTE.
The rule that NSW enginers and RTA use is, Normal Aspiration 3cc of engine capicity for each kilogram of unmodified vehicle weight. Forced induction, 2.5cc of engine capacity per kilogram of unmodified vehicle weight.
eg. 1000 kg car, you can fit 2.5 Litre Turb/Supercharged, or 3.0 Litre Normally Aspirated.
These are assuming no structural mods. If structural mods are your bag, then the sky is the limit.
regards Chuck.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Mon, 12 January 2004 14:02
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Daamn
Thats the stupidest rule ever
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 02:01
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Not really. The purpose of the rule is to allow engine conversions without having to go to extraordinary effort to get it engineered, provided it falls within their guidelines. You can still go outside those guidelines if you really want, it just takes a lot more effort!
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Location:
Perth
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September 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 02:03
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i wouldn't call $600 for the cert and an emergency stop from 110kph a lot of effort...
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 04:11
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So, Norbie, if you fall within the guidelines of 3cc per 1kg, then you dont need engineering in QLD and NSW?
Or you need less strict engineering?
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 04:56
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Less strict. Pretty much any engine swap requires some form of "engineering", although in many cases this is little more than a guy casting an eye over your engine bay.
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 05:02
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OK then, that makes more sense, although, I think it should be up to the engineer whether the swap is feasible, not the RTA (or WHY)
And I also think that basing a rule purely on cubes is ludicrious, but hey, thats me.
My 1uz into my cressida, would only pass by about 50kg, and the car isnt gonna be that brutal
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 05:09
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| ChuckLandwehr wrote on Mon, 12 January 2004 23:23 |
2JZ-GE is legal in RA23/38 in NSW, but not the 2JZ-GTE.
The rule that NSW enginers and RTA use is, Normal Aspiration 3cc of engine capicity for each kilogram of unmodified vehicle weight. Forced induction, 2.5cc of engine capacity per kilogram of unmodified vehicle weight.
eg. 1000 kg car, you can fit 2.5 Litre Turb/Supercharged, or 3.0 Litre Normally Aspirated.
These are assuming no structural mods. If structural mods are your bag, then the sky is the limit.
regards Chuck.
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heh heh as long as you meet ICV req's, like all current ADR's 
also for cars originally weighing OVER 1100kg (for 4's and rotaries), or for ANY car having a 6cyl or bigger as factory fitment, the limits are bigger.
NA = 4.82 x original weight
turbo = 4.0 x original weight
and for cars with an original seperate chassis
NA = 5.46 x original weight
turbo = 4.68 x original weight
so 1321kg = 6.367 Litres NA!!
or 5.284 Litres turbocharged!!!!!!!!!
holy moly!!
Cya, Stewart
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
September 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 06:56
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that's why my engineer was stumped when i said i wanted to put a 4.0L V8 in it, i said i just liked the 'V8 rumble' and have 'wanted one since i was a kid' and how 'i don't race at all, look at it! it's a grandpa's car' *cough*bullshit*cough*.
yeah, i was considering a 351-come-383 clevo stroker with twin turbos, but then my wallet got up and walked out of the room....
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 07:01
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It only walked?
Mine caught the next train to Broketown
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
September 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 07:01
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sorry, i actually read your post.
my car has a seperate chassis.
so i can go to 6.182 litres turbocharged.
6/71 powered 400SBC anyone? 
vortech powered 1UZFE anyone? 
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Location:
sydney
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 08:04
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the rules are there so people dont build very fast cars and hit walls at over 200 km/h
even with the rules anyone can build a weapon with enough money
u dont need big cubic inches to get the power
i know most u guys just want the bit of paper
but i would like to know legitly if my car was safe
too many times ive seen a car over powered for the amount of brakes you have
and my old car used to be one of them at the start
u never know when u will need the safett aspect of yr car until u get into an accident and by then its usually to late and u hit something
i know theres a new rule regarding kit cars like cobrasd or such
u need to comply with the latest years adr's
eventually they will make cars need an emissions test to pass rego
which could be good and bad depending what car u own
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 08:17
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Yeah, but most of what you've typed there should be covered by the engineer, and if he doesnt think its safe, then he doesnt put his name on it.
I dont know how it works over east, but over here in the wild wild west, the engineer has to sign something along the lines of "I ....... declare that this car is safe and the modifications have been carried out safely and within certain guidelines."
I can type the whole thing up later if you like
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Location:
sydney
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 08:25
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yer they do sign it
but i have heard of some stories
see im wondering do engineers pay one lump insurance fee no matter how many certificates they give out
or do they pay an amount compared to how many certificates
this way they would be more careful
the other way they would be handing out certificates in cornflake packets
the consistency in engineers is so different over here goin by the stories u hear
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: TA23 w/2jz
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Tue, 13 January 2004 08:28
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Oh for sure, but I'm gonna be making sure my conversion is safe BEFORE I go to an engineer
But I guess you're right, there are ppl out there who just want the piece of paper, and will pay more for it if the dodgy engineer will over look certain things.
But its still gotta pass the pits.
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