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New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 10:06 Go to next message
Hey my 1992 SV21 camry currently has 198k on the clock. When the engine eventually goes i was thinking of changing to a different engine. I looked up what engines i can get on the site and this is what i came up with: 4A-GZE, 3S-GTE, 5VZ-FE, 1MZ-FE
(Pls correct me if I'm wrong about any of this)
Now as far as i know the 3S-GTE has been transplanted into Camrys successfully and turbo charged.
The 5VZ-FE is the 2.2L L4 engine that replaced the 3S-FE.
The 1MZ-FE is the 3.0 V6 that is in gen 3 onwards Camrys
You site says the 4A-GZE is"1.6L DOHC EFI 16V supercharged inline four cylinder".
What i want to get is the sort of price/availability i would be looking at for engine swapping to one of those engines (including things like extractors, sports chip etc )
And what would give me the best boost in horsepower.
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It's actually 5SFE.. the 2.2 out of the wide body.

As an alternative, you could try looking for a 3SGE. But no matter what engine you stick in it (apart from the later 3SFE from the RAV4), you'll need engineering on it which may include better brakes.
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Would i need an engineer's cert to pass rego then?
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yep. To be even "roadworthy".

Basically as long as it doesn't crack the 103kW mark, you're safe but anything over it will require engineering.. at least in NSW.
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I supose if i swaped to a 3sge, and get a decent power boost, coupled with a cold air intake, new cams and a sports chip i could get what 50kw extra power?
I noticed ur sig, what is an SV21R?

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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well, unless the 1st series 3SGE is made after your car, you won't have much chance putting it into your series 2 Camry. Modding the GE with extras may need engineering. Gotta ask them but the 15% increase in power does incur a trip to the engineers. That's in the RTA rules on their web site.

Btw, SV21R was the last of the SV21 which I no longer own.
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Damn that's going to cost more then.
Im guessing that must be lats 92 then.
Anyone got a ball park figure on cost?
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Camry_omega wrote on Mon, 12 January 2004 21:06

Hey my 1992 SV21 camry currently has 198k on the clock. When the engine eventually goes i was thinking of changing to a different engine.


hehe mine has 360,000 now, and was rebuilt at 330,000, and it was tortured with a lot of heavy trailer towing Confused, so your camry will last a long while. Smile

Yeah 3sge would be best, i think the first gen 3sge will be
just on or under the 103kw mark, used in 1986-88 celicas Smile.

Im getting a 3rd gen 3sge out of a 1995 mr2 bathurst, 129kw or 173hp n/a Smile, so il have to wait to see about engineering. I was looking over the GIO Insuranse renual papers and had a look at things regarded as modifications, and i ticked all the boxes Laughing Laughing , i need to find a different insurer when i get the mr2 motor. Evil or Very Mad

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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
remember Omega that the engine ahse to be same year or newer than your car
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Docktakay, and a few other have fitted 3sgte to the sv21, so if enginneering is needed might as well go the whole hog.
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
out of interest.. what does the RTA mean by power? kw?
if you fit a restrictor like in rally could you go a bigger engine for torque without having it engineered?
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Mon, 12 January 2004 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Are you sure that a 15% increase in power requires an Engineering Certificate?
I thought it was a 15% increase in engine capacity, otherwise every time you turned the boost up, you'd need to get a cert?
Besides, how could they tell, the RTA don't have dynos.
Brake upgrades are easy.
GT4 calipers (either Aussie single piston or Jap twin piston) bolt on with no other mods (except for grinding a way a bit of the backing plate for clearance), you don't even need to change discs or brake lines.
3S-GE were available in a lot of cars apart from what we got here.
Celica ST18x, ST20x (except fro Aus & US who got lame 5S
Corona, Carina, Caldina, Curren.
Some of these had GT versions with the 3rd Gen. I think the Corona GT had 140 odd kW.
Just make sure you've got the rear discs as well (about $300 to do this from my experience)

PS I might have a 2.0L SOHC turbo diesel for sale shortly if you're interested that'll bolt straight in Laughing 50FWkW & 200FWNm

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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Tue, 13 January 2004 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The only thing you need to do when putting a 3sge into a camry is, get custom mounts that are stronger, but some people have used the 3sfe mounts and had no troubles.

wagonist wrote on Tue, 13 January 2004 08:53

Are you sure that a 15% increase in power requires an Engineering Certificate?
I thought it was a 15% increase in engine capacity, otherwise every time you turned the boost up, you'd need to get a cert?



Yeah you right about that, its measured in cubic inches capacity, read this article for people that dont understand :
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/v si06.pdf Smile

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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Tue, 13 January 2004 05:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The costs may end up being that for just a bit extra, i could get the car that goes arround the engine, so im also going to price MR2s and celicas.
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Re: New Engine for an SV21 Camry Thu, 15 January 2004 07:25 Go to previous message
Well, they've changed it since I last looked at the 15% power rule. That'll make upgrading even better.
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